Re: [mailop] Still seeing throttling/delays from google apps after 3 weeks.

2016-04-27 Thread Robert Guthrie 
Thanks Brandon. Sorry for not including the error, however you're right, my
error is:

2016-04-28T01:35:37.452953369Z [NOTICE]
[BCCB18EA-5A24-4767-94E3-07359915866E.1.1] [outbound] recipient <
u...@host.com> deferred: 450 4.2.1 The user you are trying to contact is
receiving mail at a rate that prevents additional messages from being
delivered. Please resend your message at a later time. If the user is able
to receive mail at that time, your message will be delivered. For more
information, please visit  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6592
j93si3771036qkh.239 - gsmtp

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 at 12:39 Brandon Long  wrote:

> Also, this is where details would have helped with your last message, the
> error you're receiving isn't an anti-spam measure, it's a "sending too many
> messages to a specific user" error, which is falsely firing in your case
> due to... it's complicated, but your hosting provider has been allowing
> some shady things and there can be leaks between anti-abuse systems at
> Google.
>
> Brandon
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Brandon Long  wrote:
>
>> ugh, you're hitting a different known issue, I'll file a bug.  it's
>> complicated.
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Robert Guthrie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>> Just wanted to check in and see if there is anything else I can do to
>>> get emails to arrive immediately rather than be delayed a few hours - this
>>> only concerns delivery to google apps accounts.
>>>
>>> Our outbound smtp (smtp.loomio.org) is using TLS, SPF, DKIM and a
>>> reasonable percentage of the 45K/day we send get opened. It's relatively
>>> new, about a month old and it was started on a fresh IP - I should have
>>> reused the old IP (alas the old IP has been relinquished)
>>>
>>> Previously we were sending the same volume of email, but without TLS or
>>> DKIM, but the IP was warmed up organically and we never had delays with
>>> google apps.
>>>
>>> The throttling varies day to day, some times emails arrive instantly,
>>> but other days there is a big delay. Is there anything I can do to help
>>> bring the throttling down and keep it down?
>>>
>>> Sigh. Thanks for your help!
>>>
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>>
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Re: [mailop] Still seeing throttling/delays from google apps after 3 weeks.

2016-04-27 Thread Brandon Long via mailop 
Also, this is where details would have helped with your last message, the
error you're receiving isn't an anti-spam measure, it's a "sending too many
messages to a specific user" error, which is falsely firing in your case
due to... it's complicated, but your hosting provider has been allowing
some shady things and there can be leaks between anti-abuse systems at
Google.

Brandon

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Brandon Long  wrote:

> ugh, you're hitting a different known issue, I'll file a bug.  it's
> complicated.
>
> Brandon
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Robert Guthrie 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> Just wanted to check in and see if there is anything else I can do to get
>> emails to arrive immediately rather than be delayed a few hours - this only
>> concerns delivery to google apps accounts.
>>
>> Our outbound smtp (smtp.loomio.org) is using TLS, SPF, DKIM and a
>> reasonable percentage of the 45K/day we send get opened. It's relatively
>> new, about a month old and it was started on a fresh IP - I should have
>> reused the old IP (alas the old IP has been relinquished)
>>
>> Previously we were sending the same volume of email, but without TLS or
>> DKIM, but the IP was warmed up organically and we never had delays with
>> google apps.
>>
>> The throttling varies day to day, some times emails arrive instantly, but
>> other days there is a big delay. Is there anything I can do to help bring
>> the throttling down and keep it down?
>>
>> Sigh. Thanks for your help!
>>
>> ___
>> mailop mailing list
>> mailop@mailop.org
>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
>>
>>
>
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Re: [mailop] Still seeing throttling/delays from google apps after 3 weeks.

2016-04-27 Thread Franck Martin via mailop 
You should have done DKIM on your old IP before moving, so you could have
carried over your domain reputation to the new IP.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Robert Guthrie  wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> Just wanted to check in and see if there is anything else I can do to get
> emails to arrive immediately rather than be delayed a few hours - this only
> concerns delivery to google apps accounts.
>
> Our outbound smtp (smtp.loomio.org) is using TLS, SPF, DKIM and a
> reasonable percentage of the 45K/day we send get opened. It's relatively
> new, about a month old and it was started on a fresh IP - I should have
> reused the old IP (alas the old IP has been relinquished)
>
> Previously we were sending the same volume of email, but without TLS or
> DKIM, but the IP was warmed up organically and we never had delays with
> google apps.
>
> The throttling varies day to day, some times emails arrive instantly, but
> other days there is a big delay. Is there anything I can do to help bring
> the throttling down and keep it down?
>
> Sigh. Thanks for your help!
>
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> mailop@mailop.org
> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
>
>
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Re: [mailop] Still seeing throttling/delays from google apps after 3 weeks.

2016-04-27 Thread Brandon Long via mailop 
ugh, you're hitting a different known issue, I'll file a bug.  it's
complicated.

Brandon

On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Robert Guthrie  wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> Just wanted to check in and see if there is anything else I can do to get
> emails to arrive immediately rather than be delayed a few hours - this only
> concerns delivery to google apps accounts.
>
> Our outbound smtp (smtp.loomio.org) is using TLS, SPF, DKIM and a
> reasonable percentage of the 45K/day we send get opened. It's relatively
> new, about a month old and it was started on a fresh IP - I should have
> reused the old IP (alas the old IP has been relinquished)
>
> Previously we were sending the same volume of email, but without TLS or
> DKIM, but the IP was warmed up organically and we never had delays with
> google apps.
>
> The throttling varies day to day, some times emails arrive instantly, but
> other days there is a big delay. Is there anything I can do to help bring
> the throttling down and keep it down?
>
> Sigh. Thanks for your help!
>
> ___
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> mailop@mailop.org
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>
>
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