Re: [mailop] abuse.net
I rarely pop in here anymore, because I'm only on this list for legacy reasons, but my past experience mirrors Laura's comment. Spammers deliberately try to DoS abuse@, stupidly spam it, and spam reporters spuriously send complaints hither and yon with no regard to who is the responsible party. As I recall, one of the worst early offenders of this sort was one of the co-founders of MAPS, Dave Rand. When I worked at MAPS we did not directly use any of Mr. Rand's copious, verbose, and wildly-misdirected complaints, and my co-worker of the time Dan Poore, once did an eight-hour shift handling a single Dave Rand complaint to prove a point about why we didn't. It was indeed possible to work through one of Dave's complaints if one ignored ALL the other abuse on your network. Brian McNett Former Abuse Minion On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 12:31 AM Laura Atkins wrote: > > > On 13 Nov 2018, at 06:51, Hal Murray wrote: > > > michael.w...@microsoft.com said: > > The problem is ... trying to avoid mailbombing the abuse@ address by > spammers. > > > Are spammers just stupidly sending to abuse@, deliberately trying to DoS > abuse@, or is the problem spam reporters sending to every abuse@ mailbox they > can find? (or something I haven't thought of) > > > Yes. To all of them. > > laura > > -- > Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 > > Laura Atkins > Word to the Wise > la...@wordtothewise.com > (650) 437-0741 > > Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog > > > > > > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
> On 13 Nov 2018, at 06:51, Hal Murray wrote: > > > michael.w...@microsoft.com said: >> The problem is ... trying to avoid mailbombing the abuse@ address by >> spammers. > > Are spammers just stupidly sending to abuse@, deliberately trying to DoS > abuse@, or is the problem spam reporters sending to every abuse@ mailbox they > can find? (or something I haven't thought of) Yes. To all of them. laura -- Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 Laura Atkins Word to the Wise la...@wordtothewise.com (650) 437-0741 Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
michael.w...@microsoft.com said: > The problem is ... trying to avoid mailbombing the abuse@ address by > spammers. Are spammers just stupidly sending to abuse@, deliberately trying to DoS abuse@, or is the problem spam reporters sending to every abuse@ mailbox they can find? (or something I haven't thought of) I have no problems with rejecting spam reports for a good reason, but "looks like spam" doesn't seem like an appropriate reason when the target mailbox is abuse. What fraction of your spam to abuse@ comes from places listed in CBL or that don't have matching forward/reverse DNS? Is there a special blocklist-in-hell for idiots who spam abuse mailboxes? > Almost needs + addressing for both sender and receiver. What do you have in mind? -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
On 2018-11-12 12:58:12 (-0800), Hal Murray wrote: Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Do you register client domains with abuse.net? Do you query it to see where to send complaints? Do you forward complaints through it? I think they dropped the forwarding. I query it occasionally. For my uses, it has mostly been replaced by the abuse contact that is now at the top of whois data. With whois becoming decreasingly useful in the post-GDPR era, perhaps abuse.net will become the first place we look for data... Philip -- Philip Paeps Senior Reality Engineer Ministry of Information ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
In article <20181112205812.c7d58406...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net> you write: > >> Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Do you >> register client domains with abuse.net? Do you query it to see where to send >> complaints? Do you forward complaints through it? > >I think they dropped the forwarding. I dropped the forwarding ages ago. It turned out not to be very useful, places didn't read forwarded complaints very much. >For my uses, it has mostly been replaced by the abuse contact that is now at >the top of whois data. > >What I would like to see is where the big-players would like abuse reports to >be sent. They all seem to have >a handful of domains for mail in addition to hosting and probably others that >I don't know about. Hey, how about looking it up in abuse.net? R's, John ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
The problem is ... trying to avoid mailbombing the abuse@ address by spammers. Almost needs + addressing for both sender and receiver. Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ? -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Hal Murray Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:58 PM To: mailop Cc: Hal Murray Subject: Re: [mailop] abuse.net > Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Do > you register client domains with abuse.net? Do you query it to see > where to send complaints? Do you forward complaints through it? I think they dropped the forwarding. I query it occasionally. For my uses, it has mostly been replaced by the abuse contact that is now at the top of whois data. What I would like to see is where the big-players would like abuse reports to be sent. They all seem to have a handful of domains for mail in addition to hosting and probably others that I don't know about. And lots of places filter their abuse@. The ones hosted at google stand out in my mind. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchilli.nosignal.org%2Fcgi-bin%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmailopdata=02%7C01%7Cmichael.wise%40microsoft.com%7C842f78689a7445c88d8a08d648e316eb%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636776537515829661sdata=DFUEvV%2BkvcZCeqc43itm5eeQ6NV9%2BrTGXuE54yWUGY0%3Dreserved=0 ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
on Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:02:28AM -0500, Al Iverson wrote: > Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Every domain for which I have patterns in Enemieslist has an associated abuse addy fetched from abuse.net, but frankly I don't do anything with them - IIRC the "nobody has registered an address" default is just to prepend abuse@ to the domain. Shrug. RFC 2148! -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence: http://enemieslist.com/ ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] abuse.net
> Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Do you > register client domains with abuse.net? Do you query it to see where to send > complaints? Do you forward complaints through it? I think they dropped the forwarding. I query it occasionally. For my uses, it has mostly been replaced by the abuse contact that is now at the top of whois data. What I would like to see is where the big-players would like abuse reports to be sent. They all seem to have a handful of domains for mail in addition to hosting and probably others that I don't know about. And lots of places filter their abuse@. The ones hosted at google stand out in my mind. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] abuse.net
Hey, senders or receivers or spam filterers. Do you use abuse.net? Do you register client domains with abuse.net? Do you query it to see where to send complaints? Do you forward complaints through it? We at Salesforce Marketing Cloud / ExactTarget register all client domains with it, but don't see a lot of activity that I could trace back to those registrations. So it's hard for me to see how much it gets used out there in the real world. Got any data or info or even feelings to share? Thanks, Al Iverson -- al iverson // 312-725-0130 // miami http://www.aliverson.com http://www.spamresource.com ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
