Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[ben]

There's RFC 1855 of course: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 , a memo which 
"does not specify an Internet standard of any kind".
The one mention of bottom-posting is that you should include "summarize the 
original at the top of the message" or "include just enough text of the 
original to give a context" "at the top of your message".

This pretty much summarizes my view:
* 
http://web.archive.org/web/20070607221125/http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm


Either way, top-posting is now the de-facto standard in the world, and if you 
go on about it you will just look like a curmudgeon. Wikipedia says:

> This widespread policy in business communication made bottom and inline 
> posting so unknown among most users that some of the most popular email 
> programs no longer support the traditional posting style

See also: http://emailclientmarketshare.com/

Cheers, Ben


From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Sent: 08 September 2015 01:53


> On 08-Sep-2015, at 2:15 am, Bron Gondwana  wrote:
> 
> How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the world if
> you follow a standard?
> 
> Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... )

The top posting, bottom posting and interleaved quoting camps need conversion 
between each other much like 8 bit to quoted printable, say.

Some kind soul might want to come up with an RFC on this.

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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Bron Gondwana]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 18:47, b...@liddicott.com wrote:
> There's RFC 1855 of course: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 , a memo 
> which "does not specify an Internet standard of any kind".


> The one mention of bottom-posting is that you should include
> "summarize the original at the top of the message" or "include
> justenough text of the original to give a context" "at the top of your
> message".


>


> This pretty much summarizes my view:


> * http://web.archive.org/web/20070607221125/
>   http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm[1]


>


>


> Either way, top-posting is now the de-facto standard in the world,
> and if you go on about it you will just look like a curmudgeon.
> Wikipedia says:



Woah, I should have put more smileys on that ;) ;) :) !111!!111:p

> > This widespread policy in business communication made bottom
> > and inline posting so unknown among most users that some of the
> > most popular email programs no longer support the traditional
> > posting style


>


> See also: http://emailclientmarketshare.com/


>


> Cheers, Ben


>


>
> *From: *Suresh Ramasubramanian *Sent: *08 September 2015 01:53
>


>


> > On 08-Sep-2015, at 2:15 am, Bron Gondwana  wrote:


> >


> > How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the
> > world if


> > you follow a standard?


> >


> > Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... )


>


> The top posting, bottom posting and interleaved quoting camps
> need conversion between each other much like 8 bit to quoted
> printable, say.


>


> Some kind soul might want to come up with an RFC on this.


>



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Links:

  1. 
http://web.archive.org/web/20070607221125/http:/alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm
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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Hugo Slabbert]

On Tue 2015-Sep-08 06:45:55 +1000, Bron Gondwana  wrote:

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 04:39, Gary Baribault wrote:

On 07/09/15 02:31 PM, mikea wrote:

On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:10:48PM -0400, Gary Baribault wrote:

Whatever happened to postmas...@example.com?

First, it was a standard.

Second, it got too much traffic.


I get the too much traffic part, what's wrong with it being a standard?


How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the world if
you follow a standard?



As a numbered list of gripes/issues/concerns it doesn't make too much 
sense.

As a chronology, though?

"First, this happened (which was fine).
 Then, this happened (which sucked)."

Perhaps mikea meant the latter.


Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... )


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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Frank Bulk]

You could try the generic NOC email address, ipmc24hrsurveillanced...@bt.com

Frank

-Original Message-
From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Bron Gondwana
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:22 AM
To: mailop@mailop.org
Subject: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

We're getting connection dropped after RCPT TO for customers trying to email
to BTInternet.

(delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with
mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk[65.20.0.49] while sending RCPT TO)

Does anybody have any contacts at btinternet to figure out if it's a more
general problem or if they've just decided to blackhole FastMail silently.

Thanks,

Bron.

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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Michelle Sullivan]

Gary Baribault wrote:
> Whatever happened to postmas...@example.com?
>
>   

Hate to say it but Frank did say 'NOC email' ... rather than
postmaster...  well actaully didn't hate to say it, thought it might
bring a smile ;-)

Michelle


> Gary B
>
>
> On 07/09/15 01:53 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:
>   
>> You could try the generic NOC email address, ipmc24hrsurveillanced...@bt.com
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Bron Gondwana
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:22 AM
>> To: mailop@mailop.org
>> Subject: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
>>
>> We're getting connection dropped after RCPT TO for customers trying to email
>> to BTInternet.
>>
>> (delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with
>> mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk[65.20.0.49] while sending RCPT TO)
>>
>> Does anybody have any contacts at btinternet to figure out if it's a more
>> general problem or if they've just decided to blackhole FastMail silently.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bron.
>>
>> 
>
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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Bron Gondwana]

Thanks Frank,

I'll forward the email that I sent to postmaster@[example.com] to there.

(obviously, I sent it from another mail provider.  It is somewhat hard to
email about SMTP deliverability problems without one of those)

Bron.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 03:53, Frank Bulk wrote:
> You could try the generic NOC email address, ipmc24hrsurveillanced...@bt.com
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Bron Gondwana
> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:22 AM
> To: mailop@mailop.org
> Subject: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
> 
> We're getting connection dropped after RCPT TO for customers trying to email
> to BTInternet.
> 
> (delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with
> mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk[65.20.0.49] while sending RCPT TO)
> 
> Does anybody have any contacts at btinternet to figure out if it's a more
> general problem or if they've just decided to blackhole FastMail silently.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bron.
> 
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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Bron Gondwana]

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 04:39, Gary Baribault wrote:
> I get the too much traffic part, what's wrong with it being a standard?

How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the world if
you follow a standard?

Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... )

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Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems

[Gary Baribault]

I get the too much traffic part, what's wrong with it being a standard?

Gary B


On 07/09/15 02:31 PM, mikea wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 07, 2015 at 02:10:48PM -0400, Gary Baribault wrote:
>> Whatever happened to postmas...@example.com?
> First, it was a standard. 
>
> Second, it got too much traffic. 
>


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