Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Mark Rousell via mailop
On 18/02/2020 09:37, Paul Smith via mailop wrote:
> From past experience of technical mailing lists changing to forums,
> I'd expect participation in a forum to drop dramatically. Mailing list
> messages get pushed to members, forums require you to go and look.
> Even if new posted messages are emailed to members, then it still
> requires the member to click on a link, login etc before replying.
> From experience, fewer people will do that. I was in a very active
> mailing list with multiple messages daily. It changed to a forum a
> couple of years ago. Now, it's unusual for there to be as many as one
> message a month.

This.

This works as a mail list. Let's not fix what ain't broke.


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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Graeme Fowler via mailop
On 17 Feb 2020, at 19:03, Scott Mutter via mailop  wrote:
> Regarding the suggestion for "content/questions/answers/links to put on the 
> website" - have you ever considered making this mailing list into a forum?

If we as a community can’t make use of a mailing list to sort out 
interoperability problems, then as a community we have failed :)

Graeme
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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread John Covici via mailop
I definitely agree with this, I go through my email, but hardly ever
log on to forums, its just too much of a pita.  Forms are useful, but
mailing lists are better unless you get replies to replies ... too to
many levels.

On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 05:00:24 -0500,
Bjoern Franke via mailop wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  From past experience of technical mailing lists changing to forums, I'd 
> > expect participation in a forum to drop dramatically. Mailing list 
> > messages get pushed to members, forums require you to go and look. Even 
> > if new posted messages are emailed to members, then it still requires 
> > the member to click on a link, login etc before replying. From 
> > experience, fewer people will do that. I was in a very active mailing 
> > list with multiple messages daily. It changed to a forum a couple of 
> > years ago. Now, it's unusual for there to be as many as one message a month.
> 
> This is the same experience I had with a community which tried to switch
> to a Discourse forum. Discourse is even capable of sending mails with
> List-ID / References in the header, but still has some issues.
> 
> And mailinglist mails can be read even by a client on a mobile phone and
> have only SMTP/IMAP traffic and no overhead for loading several stuff
> from CDNs etc.
> 
> Regards
> Bjoern
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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Bjoern Franke via mailop

> 
> Google Groups ;)
> 

Until Google refuses again to accept your mail ;)

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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop
Dnia 18.02.2020 o godz. 09:37:07 Paul Smith via mailop pisze:
> 
> If you can find a system which allows forum replies to be sent by
> email (basically a forum and mailing list in parallel), then that
> works OK, but they're not that common AFAIAA.

Google Groups ;)
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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Bjoern Franke via mailop
> 
>  From past experience of technical mailing lists changing to forums, I'd 
> expect participation in a forum to drop dramatically. Mailing list 
> messages get pushed to members, forums require you to go and look. Even 
> if new posted messages are emailed to members, then it still requires 
> the member to click on a link, login etc before replying. From 
> experience, fewer people will do that. I was in a very active mailing 
> list with multiple messages daily. It changed to a forum a couple of 
> years ago. Now, it's unusual for there to be as many as one message a month.

This is the same experience I had with a community which tried to switch
to a Discourse forum. Discourse is even capable of sending mails with
List-ID / References in the header, but still has some issues.

And mailinglist mails can be read even by a client on a mobile phone and
have only SMTP/IMAP traffic and no overhead for loading several stuff
from CDNs etc.

Regards
Bjoern

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Re: [mailop] Suggestions for mailops.org website - forum?

2020-02-18 Thread Paul Smith via mailop

On 17/02/2020 19:03, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:

Regarding the suggestion for "content/questions/answers/links to put on the 
website" - have you ever considered making this mailing list into a forum?

I just like discussion forums a lot better than I do discussion mailing lists.  
In my opinion, it's easier to contribute within a forum environment than it is 
within a mailing list environment.



From past experience of technical mailing lists changing to forums, I'd 
expect participation in a forum to drop dramatically. Mailing list 
messages get pushed to members, forums require you to go and look. Even 
if new posted messages are emailed to members, then it still requires 
the member to click on a link, login etc before replying. From 
experience, fewer people will do that. I was in a very active mailing 
list with multiple messages daily. It changed to a forum a couple of 
years ago. Now, it's unusual for there to be as many as one message a month.


If you can find a system which allows forum replies to be sent by email 
(basically a forum and mailing list in parallel), then that works OK, 
but they're not that common AFAIAA.



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