Re: VIRGIL: REPLY REQUIRED: The Classics Pages Subscription Verify (fwd)
At 04:48 PM 3/12/99 -0400, JMP wrote: >What is this stuff, and why do we get about ten of them a day? Someone on the list forwarded a "verify subscription" request for the Classics Pages update mailing list. This message asked subscribers to verify their subscription by responding to an email. Apparently a number of people believed that they could subscribe to the Classics Pages update by responding to the verify subscription request. They were mistaken. Instead of going to Classics Pages, their replies went to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and from there to all of us. So, once again: please don't reply to the Classics Pages probe. A little research reveals that if you DO wish to join the Classics Pages list, you should make your way to the following URL-- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/quidnovi.htm --and enter your email address in the form at bottom. --- David Wilson-Okamurahttp://www.virgil.org/chaucer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Chaucer: an annotated guide to online resources --- --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: REPLY REQUIRED: The Classics Pages SubscriptionVerify (fwd)
I'd like to know the same; esp. since my old e-mail address keeps popping up on these replies and I know I haven't sent them!!! -Original Message- From: James M. Pfundstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 5:23 PM Subject: Re: VIRGIL: REPLY REQUIRED: The Classics Pages SubscriptionVerify (fwd) > >What is this stuff, and why do we get about ten of them a day? > >Curiously (not querulously), > >JMP > > >At 11:34 PM -0800 3/8/1999, Jacqueline wrote: >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>--- >>> To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >>> Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >>> "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). >>You >>> can also unsubscribe at >>http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >>> >> >>== >>:)DWBH! From Jacqueline/Percy. >> >>http://www.alphalink.com.au/~plants/hensenism/ >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (take your pick!) >> >> >>_ >>DO YOU YAHOO!? >>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >> >>--- >>To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >>Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >>"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >>can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > > >--- >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: REPLY REQUIRED: The Classics Pages Subscription Verify (fwd)
What is this stuff, and why do we get about ten of them a day? Curiously (not querulously), JMP At 11:34 PM -0800 3/8/1999, Jacqueline wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> >--- >> To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >> Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >> "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). >You >> can also unsubscribe at >http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub >> > >== >:)DWBH! From Jacqueline/Percy. > >http://www.alphalink.com.au/~plants/hensenism/ >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (take your pick!) > > >_ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >--- >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Vergil's crow's s's
In Georgics 1.388-9 Vergil describes a crow calling for rain: tum cornix plena pluviam vocat improba voce et sola in sicca secum spatiatur harena. Why the s's? I assume that's not the sound crows make, even if they're Latin crows. Philip Thibodeau Brown University --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: Virgil's Two Helens
These are some (fanciful?) thoughts following the comments on Helen's real or apparent abduction and on V's use of Homer's Helen. I think V definitely excludes the idea that Helen was ever a victim, genuinely abducted either by Paris at the outbreak of war or seized agaist her will by Menelaus after the Fall of Troy. She is too strong a character for that kind of fate. But V does not resolve all questions about her motives. 1. The Helen of the Iliad has an air of mystery. It's not unlikely, within Homer's story, that some faction among the Trojans might disapprove of the union between Helen and Paris and might even suspect Helen's motives. One of Poseidon's speeches indicates that Aeneas sympathises with or even leads this faction. It's hard otherwise to see how Poseidon could regard Aeneas as free, as in Poseidon's view he is, of the general guilt of Troy (Il.XX, 297). V, by means of Deiphobus' speech in Aen.VI, 509, interprets Helen as one whose real motives justified all the most neurotic suspicions. She is by Deiphobus' report a ruthless double agent who surely went to Troy voluntarily, but only as part of a deep-laid plot for the city's destruction. If she has genuine sexual feeling, even love, for Paris and Deiphobus that can only be because she takes pleasure in the death of her lovers: something distinctly hinted at in Deiphobus' reference to the false joys of his last night on earth. The desire to believe in ruthless, sexy double agents may have led poor Mata Hari to her death amid the passions of another war and was thereafter exploited by film noir - also, with a new touch of comedy, by the Bond films. 2. V hesitates about this use of Helen as political villainess (as in Book VI), in that she appears differently in Book II. I tend to think that he did write the 'Helen Passage' of Book II but became dissatisfied with the violent emotion there attributed to Aeneas. But the scene with Helen and Venus is very powerfully composed and once again plays off Homer, this time off what is perhaps his most famous remark about Helen, that her face is terrifyingly like that of an immortal goddess (Il.III,158). Venus first makes reference to Helen's face and then reveals the faces of the gods. All the characters in this scene are quite close relatives and Aeneas must notice the resemblance between the face of his mother, radiant as never before, the 'hated face' of Helen, the faces of the High Gods in their most hateful form and even his own face. Homer had used Helen's unearthly beauty to suggest that in mind as well as in appearance she was closer to gods than to mortals and V is giving us the most terrifying interpretation of what that closeness means: Helen was not so much a political plotter against Troy as an instrument of the Supreme God in His providence - though this is providence in destructive (according to Austin, demonic) form. Her motive in coming to Troy would then have been her sense that the Supreme God willed her to do what she did. On the showing of this scene, the most divine of women some becomes free of human blame because of her strange communion with the gods. At the same time, the most human of the goddesses undergoes something like the human experience of losing faith in the Supreme God, whose terrifying face she reveals to Aeneas - she will never quite trust the Supreme God again. Aeneas, seeing the hateful faces of the gods, accepts that his feelings about Helen's 'hated face' were superficial (that face-related word seems appropriate). It will be his fate, as it was hers, to become the instument of the Supreme God in the great work of history and to sever himself from normal human sentiments in the process. 3. V seems to hesitate about the interpretation of Helen. He clearly decides not to set her beside Cassandra as a victim of human violence at the Fall. He doesn't decide between making her an activist and a conspirator and making her an isolated figure, whose isolation was due to her deep relationship with the gods. V doubtless reflected on what Homer really means us to think about the mysterious Helen and about Aeneas in relation to her. I think he also reflected on how different and how alike political and religious motivations are. - Martin Hughes --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: virus
At 09:12 PM 3/11/99 EST, Cheyanne wrote: >Someone sent me the Happy99 worm. It's an email attachment - you open it, >load it and it has some pretty fireworks. You think "how sweet!". But the >little beast then attaches itself to every email you send. If you haven't >seen it, ignore this. But if you have an empty email from me with an >attachment DO NOT OPEN IT! Just delete it unread. If this is too late, and >you've seen the fireworks, you can find out how to kill it from Symantec: >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/happy99.worm.html >I'm really sorry to have been an unconscious vector for this little >blighter. Thanks for the warning. Unfortunately, Happy99 is not a hoax. Fortunately, we don't pass attachments around on this mailing list, so Mantovano subscribers are NOT AT RISK FROM THIS SOURCE, even though at least one of our members had the infection. This is because, under ordinary circumstances, you can only get a virus from running a program (which comes as an attachment), not from reading a piece of email.* So, don't panic, you didn't get a virus from Mantovano, and you won't as long as members follow our no-attachments rule. Having said that, this is probably a good time to update your antivirus software if you haven't done so recently, and a good time to buy an antivirus program (Norton, McAffee, what have you) if you don't already own one. Assuming, that is, that you value your time and the documents (papers, articles, databases, dissertations, books) you create on your computer... David Wilson-Okamura Listowner, Mantovano * Exceptions to this rule are cropping up on the horizon as email clients like Outlook acquire the ability to run VBA programs, but to my knowledge (and I do keep up on these things) we're not they're yet; Happy99 is not, in any case, an Outlook virus. --- David Wilson-Okamurahttp://www.virgil.org/chaucer [EMAIL PROTECTED]Chaucer: an annotated guide to online resources --- --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: paid for propaganda?
Rebecca Smyth wrote: > Salvete! > > I read a suggestion that we should not believe that Virgil was a paid > court poet writing propaganda for his patron. > I'm not sure that I agree with this, but reflecting on it has brought > several questions to my mind. > > Virgil's patron provided him with the leisure to write his poetry. > Was the poet therefore showing his gratitude by writing propaganda? > > Was Virgil making the most of this opportunity to write his poetry at > leisure? > Did he really desire to promote Augustus, or was he trying to show how > ridiculous the Emperor might be? > Was the "propaganda" actually humourous? > > If anyone could help to settle my confusion, I would be very grateful. > > Rebecca Smyth Un ouvrage français "La mort de Virgile" de J. Y Maleuvre demontre que les relations entre Virgile et Auguste n'etaient pas des plus amicales et qu'Auguste aurait commandite la mort de Virgile Cordialement M.Bouquet > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Sabine Women
john dwyer wrote: > Can anyone furnish me with name of an artist who has portrayed the Rape of > the Sabine Women (viii 822ff)? > > Thank you. > > John Dwyer N. Poussin a peint "L'enlevement des Sabines" (deux versions : l'une à New-York, l'autre au Louvre a Paris, David a peint "L'intervention des Sabines dans la bataille". Vous avez aussi un tableau de Picasso, qui s'inspire et de Poussin et de David, et qui s'intitule "L'enlevement des Sabines".Il est localise en Espagne. Cordialement M. Bouquet > > > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
