Re: VIRGIL: What others say about Virgil
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Hieronymus Prechtl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Halifax, Nova Scotia October 17, 2:00 pm DONATUS: a few things here and there, like that Cicero, having familiarized himself with every nuance of the Bucolics, was so impressed that he declared Virgil the second great hope of Rome, as if he himself were the first hope of the Latin language and Virgil the second. Where does Donatus say that? and what time had Cicero to read even a single eclogue before being murdered? Leofranc Holford-Strevens *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Leofranc Holford-Strevens 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter? OX2 6EJ tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/353865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: What others say about Virgil Attn Leofranc
Good morning All... I had written: DONATUS: a few things here and there, like that Cicero, having familiarized himself with every nuance of the Bucolics, was so impressed that he declared Virgil the second great hope of Rome, as if he himself were the first hope of the Latin language and Virgil the second. Leofranc Holford-Strevens replied: Where does Donatus say that? and what time had Cicero to read even a single eclogue before being murdered? Hi Leofranc, I am not saying it is true. Not everything Donato says about Virgil would stand up in a court of inquiry. But -- here is where I found it: LIFE OF VIRGIL tr. David Wilson-Okamura 90. The success of the Bucolics was such when he published it, that the cantores recited them frequently, even on stage. As for Cicero, when he had heard some of the verses, his piercing judgement immediately perceived that these were productions of uncommon vigor, and ordered the whole eclogue to be recited from the beginning. Having familiarized himself with its every nuance, he declared it the second great hope of Rome, as if he himself were the first hope of the Latin language and Maro the second. These words Virgil later inserted in the Aeneid [12.168]. http://www.virgil.org/vitae/a-donatus.htm] If you have an opinion as to the veracity of D in the context, please tell me. And have a good day -- what remains of it in GB... this side of the ocean it has barely begun Ambros NB: Your usque adeone scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter -- sounds as if it could be Cicero but it might be you -- respondere meum satisne fecit? --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: What others say about Virgil
Guten Tag, David... Great, your suggestions. Vielen Dank More to say later. No time now. Thanks, Ambros Three places to look for a quick start: Etc. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: What others say about Virgil
Hieronymus Prechtl is right, and so is Leofranc Holford-Strevens. The problem is that the Donatus vita was expanded in early the fifteenth century. My translation, from which Prechtl cites, includes the expansions but puts them in angle brackets: 90. The success of the Bucolics was such when he published it, that the cantores recited them frequently, even on stage. As for Cicero, when he had heard some of the verses, his piercing judgement immediately perceived that these were productions of uncommon vigor, and ordered the whole eclogue to be recited from the beginning. Having familiarized himself with its every nuance, he declared it the second great hope of Rome, as if he himself were the first hope of the Latin language and Maro the second. These words Virgil later inserted in the Aeneid [12.168]. As you can see, the bit about Cicero does not appear in the original vita, for the reason that Holford-Strevens gave yesterday. (The same goes for the passage in which Virgil helps Augustus decide not to abdicate: according to Dio, Augustus discussed the matter with Maecenas and Agrippa, but there is no evidence that he consulted Virgil on the matter.) --- David Wilson-Okamurahttp://virgil.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] East Carolina UniversityVirgil reception, discussion, documents, c --- --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
re: VIRGIL: Virgil and Vergil revisited
x-html!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT face=Arial size=2FONT face=Times New Roman size=3- Original Message -BRFrom: David Wilson-Okamura lt;/FONTA href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]FONT face=Times New Roman size=3[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/AFONT face=Times New Roman size=3gt;BRTo: lt;/FONTA href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];FONT face=Times New Roman size=3[EMAIL PROTECTED]/FONT/AFONT face=Times New Roman size=3gt;BRSent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 3:22 PMBRSubject: VIRGIL: Virgil and Vergil revisitedBRBRGreetings,BRBRThe explanation I learned (30+ years) ago was that the spelling was changedBRby analogy with 'virga', wand, as Vergil's mystical status developed, andBRthat the 'e' spelling was restored by 19th century philologists.BRBRBest wishes,BRBRDavid JensenBRBRgt; when did classicists decide, once and for all, thatBRgt; Poliziano was right and Vergilius is spelled with an e?/FONTBR/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML /x-htmlFrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Oct 23 13:02:30 2002 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsonwork.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) id g9NFRob26133 for mantovano-coke; Wed, 23 Oct 2002 15:27:50 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: wilsonwork.com: wilsonwk set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f X-Originating-IP: [200.80.148.100] From: Julieta Cardigni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: About Servian studies Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 12:30:42 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600. X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600. Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Oct 2002 15:27:40.0832 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9B1B200:01C27AA8] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 18M!!CUO!pkZ!U7;! Hi, remember me?I'm an advanced student of Classical Philology and I belong to a group dedicated to Servian studies at the Universidad de BUenos Aires. We are trying to get in touch with other groups, and I was wondering if someone could send me a clue about it. Thanks a lot! Julieta Cardigni. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
