Re: VIRGIL: Re: requitur

2002-06-15 Thread Martin Hughes
I suppose that in the later medieval period Latin was finally ceasing to be
a living language in any sense.  Perhaps some syllables died before the
whole language did. - Martin Hughes
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  From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Thanks for your gracious reply.

  Where did you find it?

 Long story, but I think it was the name of a sword in a long-lost
historical
 novel. I've seen non requitur in a legal context, perhaps somehow
 connected with or contrasted with non seq.

 Also, Et sicut non requitur tanta deliberatio ad simplicem loquelam,
sicut
 ad iuramentum (quia saepe est loquendum et raro iurandum) ita non
requiritur
 tanta ...
 ---William of Ockham, Dialogus, pars 1, lib. 7, cap. 34-38


 I should have listened more carefully to the Christian Brothers in 9th
 grade.

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Re: VIRGIL: why Virgil wanted to burn his poem

2001-10-22 Thread Martin Hughes
It is indeed true that the story follows from the view of V's personality
that both we and the ancient biographers attribute to V: if he was that kind
of person and if the poem was not 'essentially complete' (Mackail's phrase,
I think) he would have wanted it destroyed.  My doubts arise from the fact,
as I would see it, that the poem does seem to me to be 'essentially
complete' and I wonder if V would really have wanted so much careful work to
vanish.  Scholars have noticed the cross reference between beginning and
end, with 'condit', where the plunging sword seems to 'lay a foundation',
recalling 'condere', where the immense labour of founding the Roman people
is noted as the theme of the poem. - Martin Hughes
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Subject: Re: VIRGIL: why Virgil wanted to burn his poem


 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David
 Wilson-Okamura [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 At 11:03 AM 10/18/01 +0100, Patrick Roper wrote:
 I thought that that might be the case, after all most creative people
 feel they could have done better - the stuff on the page, isn't quite
 what seemed to be in the mind.  But do we know this is what Virgil
 thought?  Did he say so somewhere?  Or did one of his contemporaries
 say that of him?
 
 As Patrick Roper and Jim O'Hara point out, we need to be skeptical. In
 addition to Thomas, see, for instance, Nicholas Horsfall, Virgil: His
Life
 and Times, in _A Companion to the Study of Virgil_, ed. Nicholas
Horsfall,
 Mnemosyne Supplement 151 (Leiden: Brill, 1995), pp. 1-25.

 Exactly. The all but explicit conclusion of Horsfall's analysis is that
 we do not even know *whether* Vergil wanted the _Aeneid_ burnt, never
 mind why. But the story is attractive on so many grounds: perfectionist
 poet, enlightened monarch, the rights of posterity against an author's
 wishes; after all, even those of us who are neither poets nor princes
 will be posterity to more and more authors as we grow older. (And if you
 rebel against the enlightened Augustus, then you can apply a different
 _color_, or in modern parlance spin, as Broch did.) It has also, from
 Hyginus onwards, licensed adverse criticism of particular passages
 within the supreme masterpiece: since Vergil recognized that his poem
 had faults, he must have agreed with the critic that this or that
 expression or assertion was one of them, and would have corrected it had
 he lived. The psychological utility of this safety-valve is rather more
 evident than its scientific value, since there is always someone else to
 say it isn't a fault at all (even in the case of the half-lines);
 readers just need the story to be true.

 Leofranc Holford-Strevens
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