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This is my first day of subscriber / first message. I've been visiting Mantova- Piedole- Andes area two weeks ago, standing in Corte Virgiliana (very reccommendable place). Of course I am familiarize with the Conway-Rand controversy. But I don't know (and I'd like) if this discussion has had a continuation afterwards. Andes as Vegil's birthplace is fully accepted today? Thanks Daniel Martin _ ¿Estás pensando en cambiar de coche? Todas los modelos de serie y extras en MSN Motor. http://motor.msn.es/researchcentre/ --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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hello everybody i am currently working on my thesis on the aeneid's tragic elements and i have to admit i am quite puzzled now that i finished reading a lot of bibliographical material. so if you have any syggestion or advise onthis topic i would be glad to read it carefully. florin Do you Yahoo!?vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!
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Absolutely not. Anyone but Mandelbaum: I have caught him mistranslating the climactic scene of the compact of the kings (before the final battle) in a way that made no sense of the central issues of the poem. Cecil Day-Lewis is both accurate and well composed. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: (no subject) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:22:24 EST Best translation for reading is West as recommended by the AP board Best translation for reading if translating from Latin is Mendelbaum. _ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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Does someone know of a movie version of Virgil's Aeneid that is suitable for high school seniors and is probably available at an average movie rental place? Brandie Bohney, World Literature Teacher = __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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x-html!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN HTML HEAD META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type META content='MSHTML 4.72.3110.7' name=GENERATOR /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT color=#00The Eclogue you are thinking of is four, not six/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML /x-htmlFrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Sep 12 23:09:06 1999 From mantovano-returns Sun Sep 12 12:00:14 1999 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id MAA08853; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: c5a3a67deed8836cb0c702d1f839ac78 I've been told that the Aeneid, unlike other pieces of classical literature, was preserved and popular during the middle ages and that the reason for this was that some believed it foretold the coming of Christ. But, Aeneas is shown only the future of Rome and great Romans. Clearly, the empire that Aeneas is told he shall begin is not associated with Christianity, so why would readers think this? Is it the somewhat critical reflection on the morality of power and empire that make the Aeneid a more Christian epic? --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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x-html!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN HTML HEAD META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type META content='MSHTML 4.72.3110.7' name=GENERATOR /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT color=#00 size=2Hello,/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2I would like to take a seminar or course to catch up on recent (i.e. the last decade) literary criticism of the Aeneid. I will be on sabbatical one semester of the 2000/01 school year and, of course, have summers, so there is some flexibility. Does anyone know of a seminar of this kind (or just a good graduate course!) that will take place in the nearfuture? Private replies fine./FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2Thanks,/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2Louis A. Perraud/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTFONT size=2Assoc. Prof. Classics/FONT/DIV DIVFONT size=2Univ of Idaho/FONT/DIV DIVFONT size=2Moscow, ID 83843/FONT/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2/FONTnbsp;/DIV DIVFONT color=#00 size=2A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML /x-htmlFrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 07 08:30:07 1999 From mantovano-returns Tue Sep 7 01:25:40 1999 Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id BAA13611; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 01:25:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: wilsoninet.com: Host law2-f60.hotmail.com [216.32.181.60] claimed to be hotmail.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [203.101.13.89] From: kamilla santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: Re: hi Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 08:04:02 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-UIDL: 6ba3428704216ea45e006dbf40b07935 Hi i think that you sended your e-mail to a wong person. i would like to help but. bye!! From: Louis Perraud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:11:53 -0700 Hello, I would like to take a seminar or course to catch up on recent (i.e. the last decade) literary criticism of the Aeneid. I will be on sabbatical one semester of the 2000/01 school year and, of course, have summers, so there is some flexibility. Does anyone know of a seminar of this kind (or just a good graduate course!) that will take place in the nearfuture? Private replies fine. Thanks, Louis A. Perraud Assoc. Prof. Classics Univ of Idaho Moscow, ID 83843 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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Hi i would like if you could send to me a poetry on the 14 century in mideaval ages... Thank you!! i really neede for today.. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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um randy . . . what is the 2th century? is that the secondth? :) --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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Yes, certainly, but I didn't mention LOTR because someone else already had. RE On Tue, 4 May 1999, David Wilson-Okamura wrote: From: Adrian Pay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:22 +0100 And in the same vein Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Adrian Pay 70 Dalling Road Hammersmith London W6 0JA 0181 846 9355 (Home) 07801 342 182 (Mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: RANDI C ELDEVIK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: (no subject) Odd as it might sound, I would suggest Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. While much epic energy may have been deflected away from the written word in the 2th century, there are still some epic writers left, and Adams at his best (he's very uneven, and has written some other books that are terribly infra dig) is one of them. Also, what about 20th c. war novels (WWI, WWII, etc.)? Randi Eldevik Oklahoma State University --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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From: Adrian Pay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:22 +0100 And in the same vein Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Adrian Pay 70 Dalling Road Hammersmith London W6 0JA 0181 846 9355 (Home) 07801 342 182 (Mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: RANDI C ELDEVIK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: VIRGIL: (no subject) Odd as it might sound, I would suggest Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. While much epic energy may have been deflected away from the written word in the 2th century, there are still some epic writers left, and Adams at his best (he's very uneven, and has written some other books that are terribly infra dig) is one of them. Also, what about 20th c. war novels (WWI, WWII, etc.)? Randi Eldevik Oklahoma State University --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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I keep on thinking that the 'epic energy' of these days has been transferred, for good or ill, to films. There may be some point in examining modern conceptions of political heroism in the Star Wars or James Bond cycles. Not that I can think of a modern fictional character, depicted in any medium, who operates in a political world and really matches the complexity and humanity of Odysseus or Aeneas. I think that some such characters, heroes constantly in danger of becoming antiheroes, do emerge in the film noir genre - and presumably in the underlying 'serie noire' novels. These stories tend to be full of political allegory but to be set against an overtly unpolitical background of 'mean streets'. Perhaps they are our version of minor epic, 'epyllion', able to explore a flawed character who is not a political leader but belongs in the ordinary world, like V's Aristaeus. He (much less often she) is able to visit extraordinary places, find some inner resources and have a chance of doing some good. - Martin Hughes On Mon, 3 May 1999, Betty Gabriel-Jones wrote: At 21:09 2/05/99 EDT, you wrote: I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to Virgil. I am having difficulty. If it is epic that you are interested in look at any of the modern epic writers, from Tolkien to Eddings. Look at the way that the common themes of the epic recur - the journey, the temptations to be overcome, the relationship with the gods or supernatural (reduced to a vague mysticism in some cases) the magic or holy artifacts - Virgil's shield, Bilbo' ring - and the culminating gathering of the forces of good and evil in a final battle. Poets are harder, and it depends on what you call modern - there's Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur, but thats C19th. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to Virgil. I am having difficulty. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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At 21:09 2/05/99 EDT, you wrote: I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to Virgil. I am having difficulty. If it is epic that you are interested in look at any of the modern epic writers, from Tolkien to Eddings. Look at the way that the common themes of the epic recur - the journey, the temptations to be overcome, the relationship with the gods or supernatural (reduced to a vague mysticism in some cases) the magic or holy artifacts - Virgil's shield, Bilbo' ring - and the culminating gathering of the forces of good and evil in a final battle. Poets are harder, and it depends on what you call modern - there's Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur, but thats C19th. --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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I am a Master's candidate and I would like to write my dissertation on the Aeneid. Could someone suggest some themes of interest? I have no adviser as yet. V. Iannini --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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leave mantovano --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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x-html!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN HTML HEAD META content=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 http-equiv=Content-Type META content='MSHTML 4.72.3110.7' name=GENERATOR /HEAD BODY bgColor=#ff DIVFONT size=2 PI'm afraid I posted this message twice, but I made three mistakes the first time I sent it: (1) it was adressed to the listowner (2) I used with my wife's account instead of my own (3) I only sent the message itself without greetings. I apologise for any inconvenience./P PFor several years I have worked on Jacob of Maerlant's Middle Dutch adaptation of Virgil's Aeneid. Unfortunately I was never able to finish my work, but I still kept annbsp; interest in mediaeval as well as classical literature. One of the problems I was confronted with at the time, was the way in which the Middle Dutch author tried to reconcile the different versions of the Fall of Troy, i.e: did Aeneas betray his city or didn't he? This matter also involved the question if Virgil knew of any traditions regarding the Fall of Troy other than the one he followed. On several occasions Servius strongly suggests that Virgil was aware of the tradition according to which the Fall of Troy was caused not by the ruse with the wooden horse, but by treachery of Aeneas and Antenor (Commentaries on A. 1,242, 1,488, 1,647, 2,15). These are of course misinterpretations by Servius of some lines in the Aeneid, but is there in fact any evidence that this originally Greek tradition was known to Virgil or to any other Roman author of his time?/P PGert De Ceukelaire/P/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML /x-htmlFrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jan 24 19:33:54 1999 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from midway.uchicago.edu ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [128.135.12.12]) by plaisance.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25181; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:01:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from wilsoninet.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [192.41.8.139]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA02290; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:01:07 -0600 (CST) Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id IAA10970; Sun, 24 Jan 1999 08:57:38 -0700 (MST) X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unverified) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:59:53 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Susanne Hafner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: Re: Eneas the Traitor Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by plaisance.uchicago.edu id KAA25181 X-UIDL: 6fd37ebfbb87da5f10479cffdf419bdb Gert, You might want to look at Fromm, Hans. Eneas der Verräter. In: Johannes Janota et al., Hgg. Festschrift Walter Haug und Burghart Wachinger. Bd. 1. Tübingen: Niemeyer, 1992: 139-163. Fromm unravels the whole tradition, resp. the strings of conflicting traditions, with ample footnotes. His target text is Heinrich von Veldeke's Eneasroman, so he doesn't go quite as far as Jacob von Maerlant, but you will find the entire classical corpus included. Susanne Hafner Universitaet Hamburg --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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Hi, I'm from the UK, and I've just discovered your site. How about this for discussion - How does Virgil view women in the Aeneid? I'd be interested to know your opinions and thoughts! From Heidi - UK --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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To Whom it May Concern: I am a high-school junior who, oddly enough, loves research. I am currently doing some research on the linguistic similarities between Dante Alighieri's La Divina Commedia and Vergil's Aeneid, due to the fact that I study Latin and speak Italian. I was wondering if anyone would happen to know of some very good, in-depth sites, in either Italian or English, that deal with the subjects of either. I would appreciate a response if anyone could help me. Thank you very much, Shannon Merlino __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
