RE: VIRGIL: (no subject)
Absolutely not. Anyone but Mandelbaum: I have caught him mistranslating the climactic scene of the compact of the kings (before the final battle) in a way that made no sense of the central issues of the poem. Cecil Day-Lewis is both accurate and well composed. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: (no subject) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:22:24 EST Best translation for reading is West as recommended by the AP board Best translation for reading if translating from Latin is Mendelbaum. _ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: (no subject)
um randy . . . what is the 2th century? is that the secondth? :) --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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Yes, certainly, but I didn't mention LOTR because someone else already had. RE On Tue, 4 May 1999, David Wilson-Okamura wrote: > From: Adrian Pay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:22 +0100 > > And in the same vein Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? > > Adrian Pay > > 70 Dalling Road > Hammersmith > London W6 0JA > > 0181 846 9355 (Home) > 07801 342 182 (Mobile) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > From: RANDI C ELDEVIK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: VIRGIL: (no subject) > > Odd as it might sound, I would suggest Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. > While much "epic energy" may have been deflected away from the written > word in the 2th century, there are still some epic writers left, and Adams > at his best (he's very uneven, and has written some other books that are > terribly infra dig) is one of them. Also, what about 20th c. war novels > (WWI, WWII, etc.)? > Randi Eldevik > Oklahoma State University > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: (no subject)
From: Adrian Pay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:22 +0100 And in the same vein Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Adrian Pay 70 Dalling Road Hammersmith London W6 0JA 0181 846 9355 (Home) 07801 342 182 (Mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: RANDI C ELDEVIK [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: (no subject) Odd as it might sound, I would suggest Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. While much "epic energy" may have been deflected away from the written word in the 2th century, there are still some epic writers left, and Adams at his best (he's very uneven, and has written some other books that are terribly infra dig) is one of them. Also, what about 20th c. war novels (WWI, WWII, etc.)? Randi Eldevik Oklahoma State University --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: (no subject)
Odd as it might sound, I would suggest Richard Adams' _Watership Down_. While much "epic energy" may have been deflected away from the written word in the 2th century, there are still some epic writers left, and Adams at his best (he's very uneven, and has written some other books that are terribly infra dig) is one of them. Also, what about 20th c. war novels (WWI, WWII, etc.)? Randi Eldevik Oklahoma State University On Sun, 2 May 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to > Virgil. I am having difficulty. > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
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I keep on thinking that the 'epic energy' of these days has been transferred, for good or ill, to films. There may be some point in examining modern conceptions of political heroism in the Star Wars or James Bond cycles. Not that I can think of a modern fictional character, depicted in any medium, who operates in a political world and really matches the complexity and humanity of Odysseus or Aeneas. I think that some such characters, heroes constantly in danger of becoming antiheroes, do emerge in the film noir genre - and presumably in the underlying 'serie noire' novels. These stories tend to be full of political allegory but to be set against an overtly unpolitical background of 'mean streets'. Perhaps they are our version of minor epic, 'epyllion', able to explore a flawed character who is not a political leader but belongs in the ordinary world, like V's Aristaeus. He (much less often she) is able to visit extraordinary places, find some inner resources and have a chance of doing some good. - Martin Hughes On Mon, 3 May 1999, Betty Gabriel-Jones wrote: > At 21:09 2/05/99 EDT, you wrote: > >I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to > >Virgil. I am having difficulty. > > If it is epic that you are interested in look at any of the modern epic > writers, from Tolkien to Eddings. Look at the way that the common themes > of the epic recur - the journey, the temptations to be overcome, the > relationship with the gods or supernatural (reduced to a vague mysticism in > some cases) the magic or holy artifacts - Virgil's shield, Bilbo' ring - > and the culminating gathering of the forces of good and evil in a final > battle. Poets are harder, and it depends on what you call modern - there's > Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur, but thats C19th. > >--- > >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > > > > > --- > To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. > Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message > "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You > can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: (no subject)
At 21:09 2/05/99 EDT, you wrote: >I was trying to make a modern day comparison with a writer/poet to >Virgil. I am having difficulty. If it is epic that you are interested in look at any of the modern epic writers, from Tolkien to Eddings. Look at the way that the common themes of the epic recur - the journey, the temptations to be overcome, the relationship with the gods or supernatural (reduced to a vague mysticism in some cases) the magic or holy artifacts - Virgil's shield, Bilbo' ring - and the culminating gathering of the forces of good and evil in a final battle. Poets are harder, and it depends on what you call modern - there's Tennyson's Morte d'Arthur, but thats C19th. >--- >To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. >Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message >"unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You >can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub > > --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message "unsubscribe mantovano" in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
