Re: VIRGIL: Gaius Maecenas???

1999-10-20 Thread Louise Pine
Don't trust my word - look up the "Life of Virgil" by
Aelius Donatus.  You can find it at:
www.virgil.org/vitae/a-donatus.htm 
It's a really old text on the life of Virgil (funnily
enough) and has more information - and I'm sure more
accurate and relevant information - than the stuff
I've written.  
Good luck.  Louise.
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> > When working on a recent Virgil essay (his life
> > basically...) I discovered that he received
> > patronage from a man called gaius Maecenas, who
> was
> > a close friend of Augustus.
> >Can anyone give me some more info on this
> guy???
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Re: VIRGIL: Gaius Maecenas???

1999-10-20 Thread A.P.H. Itel

Gruezli mitenand!
Gueten aabig von Tokio!

Gaius Cilnius Maecenas (circa 70 – 8 BC) was a roman
knight from an old family of Etruscan nobility. He
discovered Virgilius Maro, but also Horatius, Sextus
Propertius, etc. In 37 BC Virgil became one of his
clients, like Horatius and Varius, the tragic poet,
were already at the time. He was a friend and an
adviser of the Emperor August. Maecenas always refused
to be involved in politics for the reason that he was
from an Etruscan family of royal descent, and that the
men of his family had traditionally no interest in
politics. Because of this family particularity he
became an Epicurian, wich was in Rome the usual
language of political disengagement. Virgil embraced
the lifestyle of his new master and his philosophy. He
wrote the Georgics on the request of Maecenas, who is
the only recipient of the poem. 

Quid faciat laetas segetes, quo sidere terram,
Vertere, Maecenas, ulmisque adjungere vites,
Conveniat ;
Georgics – Liber I, 1 et sqs.

The few existing fragments of his own poems were
edited by W. Morel. 
Ed. : W. Morel, Fragm. Poet. Lat. (Teubner 1927)
101-3.

Hope it will help.
Uf wiederluege.


A.P.I.


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Re: VIRGIL: Gaius Maecenas???

1999-10-20 Thread Louise Pine
Meacenas was basically Virgil's patron - sure, it was
a financial support situation, but both parties
stressed that the relationship was more about
friendship than about money.  Maecenas had a circle of
'clients' that he supported including Horace (though
none of them he supported fully - it wasn't a wage
thing) and they had no official obligation to speak
well of Maecenas.  Thing is, because they're friends,
Virgil speaks well of him anyway.  You get my drift. 
Now, Octavian (that's actually Augustus - he changed
his name from Octavian to Augustus after the Georgics
was written) and Meacenas are close associates. 
Virgil would speak well of Octavian for a couple of
reasons.  If Octavian and Maecenas were such great
mates, maecenas would be a bit hurt if Virgil tore him
to pieces.  Plus, Octavian, being Caesars heir (son,
adopted son, I'm not sure exactly), has an influence
on his writing anyway.  Maecenas inspires Virgil to
write of bigger issues, specifically those of Caesar's
wars (see the proem to book 3).  At the end of the day
though, I guess Virgil has to speak well of Augustus -
he's the boss after all, he's the guy who's pretty
much known as the first Roman Emperor, and I probably
wouldn't want to cross him regardless of not having
any official obligation to write well of him. 
Virgil writes big of Octavian.  Virgil writes the
whole 'you're up there with the gods' thing, he even
implies that he may one day become a god, that his
future is uncertain.  His dad was deified, and
Augustud spends a lot of time later on in his rule
playing on that one.  Anyway, even if he doesn't
become a god, he'll stay on being the living saviour
of the Roman world (take a look at book 1, lines
22-28).  So either way, he's this political and
military genius, and potentially the political and
military saviour of the world.  Already he's a
military victor - book 4, lines 559-562 are good for
that one.  
I think I kind of got away from the point, but it's
about thwelve thirty at night in Australia and I'm
putting off writing an essay on post-modernist film
theory in relation to Peter Greenaway - have you seen
his films?  Let me just say they're not Sunday
afternoon bludging on the couch with a bag of chips
and a hangover type films.  Anyway, hope I helped a
little - this was my good deed for the day so I hope
it did.  Good luck on the essay.  Louise.
 
 
--- Michael Clarke
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> When working on a recent Virgil essay (his life
> basically...) I discovered that he received
> patronage from a man called gaius Maecenas, who was
> a close friend of Augustus.
>Can anyone give me some more info on this guy???
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