Re: [MapHist] Looking for articles or books about the history of gazetteers and itineraries as a form of writing

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Barbara,

Your more than welcome; it is a GREAT book. A lot of work and information that 
is not found anywhere else! I believe that it is referenced 13 times in my 
ebook, and one additional reference to America Emergent!

Don


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Subject: Re: [MapHist] Looking for articles or books about the history of 
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Don: Thanks for the kind words.  With an e-book you always wonder who 
knows about it and uses it.
     Cheers, Barbara

On 11/30/2011 9:19 AM, Donald Mcguirk wrote:
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> Dr Southall,
>
> In reply to your request, you might want to look at Barbara McCorkle's 
> "Cartobibliography of the Maps in 18th Century British and American Geography 
> Books," It is a marvelous book that was published as an e-book in the 
> University of Kansas digital repository. It can be viewed at
>
> http://hdl.handle.net/1808/5564  and hit "open" PDF
>
> This work might include some information that could be helpful to you. It 
> lists over 70 "gazetteers" and the maps included within them. There are many 
> more geogeaphies and magazines listed as well.
>
> Don McGuirk
>
>
>

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Re: [MapHist] Looking for articles or books about the history of gazetteers and itineraries as a form of writing

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Dr Southall,

In reply to your request, you might want to look at Barbara McCorkle's 
"Cartobibliography of the Maps in 18th Century British and American Geography 
Books," It is a marvelous book that was published as an e-book in the 
University of Kansas digital repository. It can be viewed at 

http://hdl.handle.net/1808/5564  and hit "open" PDF

This work might include some information that could be helpful to you. It lists 
over 70 "gazetteers" and the maps included within them. There are many more 
geogeaphies and magazines listed as well.

Don McGuirk



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Dear Humphrey (et al.),

Admittedly limited - as was the remit - to the British Isles, I can only
humbly submit my essay (No. 25 'Place names and gazetteers') on pp.84-88
of 'Historians' guide to early British maps . . .' edited by Helen
Wallis & Anita McConnell (London : Royal Historical Society, 1994), ISBN
0-86193-141-6. 

Within those limitations I begin with definition(s) and origins. And,
whilst I have the attention of you and others who own a copy of this
guide, please correct your copies for the following:-

p. 84, para 2, final line: insert comma between "places" & "(Carlisle,
1811)."
p. 84, para 3, penultimate line: delete 't' from "town" [!]
p. 85, 'References', Adams, J.: correct spelling from 'Villatis' to
"Villaris"
p.86, 'References', "Index Nauticus": correct date to '1920'
p.88, 'Table of geographical regions covered in the gazetteers': delete
the 'X' from column for "Carlisle (1808)" + "Ireland"

Whether anyone has 'studied' the gazetteers produced by the RGS for the
War Office in WW1 I cannot immediately recall; but Dr Peter Collier is
sure to throw up something whilst my attention is currently urgently
focused on other matters . . .

Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, RGS-IBG)

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Subject: [MapHist] Looking for articles or books about the history of
gazetteers and itineraries as a form of writing
 
My apologies for this request for suggested reading NOT being about the
history of maps, but it is about maybe the most closely related forms of
writing.

Can anyone suggest studies of the history of gazetteers and itineraries,
meaning books containing systematic lists of geographical names?

I am aware of many studies of the history of travel writing, more
generally defined, but I am concerned with systematic lists, intended
for
reference use.

I have already done some obvious bibliographic searches and come up with
surprisingly little; in fact, the longest account I can find is in the
Wikipedia entry for "Gazetteers".

Am I missing something obvious?

This is in the context of working on a book surveying current research
into digital gazetteers: we think it needs to include a survey of the
history of the gazetteer, noting that although recent gazetteer building
has focused on simply assembling the biggest possible lists of
place-names
and coordinates, there is an earlier history, especially in the late
nineteenth century, of much richer works.

Best wishes,
Dr Humphrey Southall
Reader in Geography/Director, GB Historical GIS,
Dept of Geography, University of Portsmouth,
Buckingham Building, Lion Terrace,
Portsmouth PO1 3HE, UK

GBHGIS Office: 023 9284 2500; Direct line: 023 9284 2497
About us: www.port.ac.uk/research/gbhgis 
About Britain: www.visionofbritain.org.uk

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Re: [MapHist] early map images in OCLC's WorldCat

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Joel,

You might want to speak to Worldcat itself about such a list. The BnF, LOC, 
Rumsey, Ryhiner and National Library of Australia all have multiple direct 
links to their images via Worldcat and OCLC numbers.

Don
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Is anyone aware of a list of sources for the map images that are linked 
via OCLC's WorldCat? The David Rumsey Collection is used (and cataloged 
as electronic resources), as is American Memory (Library of Congress). 
There are also a number of other less frequently used sources, perhaps 
based on the desires and capabilities of individual libraries. I'm 
hoping to find a current list of image contributors, and maybe even 
criteria for allowing them to link those images within WorldCat.

This would only apply to subscription versions of WorldCat, since those 
image links are not, to my knowledge, currently provided while using the 
free version (worldcat.org).

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Joel Kovarsky

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Re: [MapHist] Ptolemy 1406-1477?

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Sorin,

You perhaps are already acquainted with this reference, but in case not, there 
is a far amount of discussion by Joseph Fischer regarding manuscript Ptolemy's 
in his work, "The Discoveries of the Norsemen in America with special relation 
to the early cartographical Representation (translated from the German by Basil 
H Soulsby).

Don McGuirk

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Does anybody know how many copies of Ptolemy’s Geographia/Cosmographia  
were done between 1406 (translation in Latin) and 1477 (first printed  
book)?
For example, I know that Donnus Nicolaus Germanus made 19 codices.

Thank You,

Sorin FORTIU
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Re: [MapHist] How do map-myths get started?

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Hillary,

If you want to understand how several cartographic myths came to pass, I would 
second Jay's note on Seymour Schwartz's book "The Mismapping of America."

If you are talking about any given case, the answer is what we use to call 
"DOTS" in the military   depends on the situation.

The reasons may have included: inadequate information, misinterpretation of 
information, misrepresentation of information, misdocumentation of hoped for 
geography, geo-political aspirations documented as fact, theoretical, artistic, 
outright fraud or a combination.

Don McGuirk 

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We've all seen maps that, with the benefit of satellite mapping and geological 
knowledge, clearly never represented anything near reality.  For example, maps 
of large islands between Brazil and Africa marked 'Atlantis', or maps of a 
large Caspian - Aral Sea, longer east-west than north-south.  These maps are 
apparently quite detailed, with rivers, hills, marked on. 

How did such detail get started.  Did some ancient cartographer have some kind 
of vision and believe, as they did then, that this vision was a real 
revelation, draw what they had seen, and this 'map'then get copied by 
subsequent generations as real, subsequent people with limite dtravel and no 
aerial view could not know otherwise.  Or did these cartographers simply put in 
what looked good and plausible, making such 'maps 'more like paintings.  What 
was in the cartographer's mind as he drew such things, artistic licence, or 
copying what he thought was really there? 



Hillary Shaw 
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Re: [MapHist] A Question about the Bibliotheque Nationale

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Peter,

You may want to try:

http://www.bnf.fr/en/collections_and_services/reprographic_services/a.repro_contacts.html

Don McGuirk
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Le 17.03.2011 17:56, pwdb...@aol.com a écrit : 

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  I have had no success in obtaining contact information for the BN's 
department for paying for its approval to reproduce an image from an item from 
its collection of maps/globes etc. 
  
   Does anyone on Maphist  have such contact information or know where to 
get it? 
  
      The BN web site does not seem to provide such contact information.  I 
have heard that there is a legal advisor named Lionel Maurel who is a 
specialist for such requests but I have had no success in finding any contact 
information regarding him or any BN department that handles photoduplication 
services. 
  
   Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. 
  
Peter Dickson 
  
Arlington, Virginia 
Phone:  7023-243-6641 
Email:  pwdb...@aol.com In 2003, I had the following contacts for the Carte 
Pisane 
- cartes.pl...@bnf.fr (Jean-Yves Sarazin) 
and 
- reproduct...@bnf.fr 
and 
-tatiana.trusevi...@bnf.fr 

HTH 
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Re: [MapHist] RE: Maphist Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1

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Thanks for the clarification. The title used in the press release was a bit 
confusing.

Don
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Don et al, 

LC’s claim is that the Buell map is the earliest -- printed in the US -- to 
illustrate the stars and stripes. 

I believe Harry Shaw Newman, of The Old Print Shop in NY, researched this 
subject extensively in the 1940s or 50s, but I’ve been unable to locate 
anything he wrote on this.  Perhaps Harry or Robert, his grandsons, know – or 
Joel? 

Ken 


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  to Library (Donald Mcguirk) 
   3. The Last Great Cartographic Myth (Joel Kovarsky) 


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From: "Tony Campbell"  
Subject: [MapHist] Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David Rubenstein 
    Gift    to Library 
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Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David Rubenstein Gift to Library[forwarded by 
Tony Campbell] 


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Subject: Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David Rubenstein Gift to Library 


Library of Congress 
101 Independence Avenue SE 
Washington DC   20540 

January 31, 2011 

Press contact: Donna Urschel, (202) 707-1639, dursc...@loc.gov 
Public contact: John HC)bert, (202) 707-1992, j...@loc.gov 

Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David M. Rubenstein Gift 
To Library of Congress 

Abel Buell Map First to Show bStars and Stripesb 

David M. Rubenstein, Co-founder and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group, has 
given the Library of Congress stewardship of the first map printed in North 
America, depicting the boundaries of the new American nation and showing the 
bStars and Stripesb for the first time. The map, which was printed in early 
1784 and is considered the best preserved of those few copies in existence, had 
been in the custody of the New Jersey Historical Society since 1862 and was 
sold at Christiebs in Manhattan on Dec. 3, 2010. The map will be displayed at 
the Library of Congress in the early spring and will be available for public 
viewing for five years. 

Abel Buellbs map bA New and Correct Map of the United States of North America 
Layd Down from the Latest Observations and Best Authorities Agreeable to the 
Peace of 1783b is the first to be copyrighted in the United States and was 
published only six months after the Treaty of Paris signing (Sept. 3, 1783) 
ended the Revolutionary War. This map is the single most important American 
cartographic document missing from the collection of the Library of Congress, 
according to John HC)bert, chief of the Librarybs Geography and Map Division. 

Maps and atlases have been an important part of the collections of the Library 
of Congress since its beginning in 1800, when a joint congressional committee 
purchased three maps and an atlas from a London dealer.  From this modest 
beginning the Librarybs cartographic holdings have grown during the past two 
centuries to more than 5.2 million maps, 80,000 atlases, 6,000 reference works, 
numerous globes, and a large amount of cartographic materials in other formats, 
including el

Re: [MapHist] Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David Rubenstein Gift to Library

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Tony et al,

There is no questioning the magnificence and historical significance of Buell's 
map documenting the infancy of the United States and I look forward to viewing 
it at the Library of Congress. 

That said, the statement that it is the first map to show the stars and stripes 
flag of the United States is certainly open to question. Several maps have made 
this claim in the past and, in the future, history is one flip of a page away 
from being rewritten.

My own favorite map for claiming this honor is a small (8.5 x 13 cm), 
unassuming and unheralded map by Henrick Klockhoff. It appeared in Simonsz 
Fokke's "NIEUWE VADERLANDSCHE ALMANACH, voor den jaare, 1783 (Antique Map Price 
Record, 1989).

In the lower left of the map one finds, "H. Klockhoff del et Sculp.1782.".

The stars and strips flag waving above the small cartouche is the "Fort 
Independence Flag."

Another interesting point noted on this small map of North and South America is 
the name placed over the 13 colonies. They are named "Vereen State" (United 
State)!

An image of this map will be found in my soon to be published (digital format, 
MapRecord Publications) book, "The Last Great Cartographic Myth, Mer de 
l'Ouest."

Don McGuirk


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Library of Congress 
101 Independence Avenue SE 
Washington DC   20540 

January 31, 2011 

Press contact: Donna Urschel, (202) 707-1639, dursc...@loc.gov 
Public contact: John Hébert, (202) 707-1992, j...@loc.gov 

Rare Revolutionary War-Era Map is David M. Rubenstein Gift 
To Library of Congress 

Abel Buell Map First to Show “Stars and Stripes” 

David M. Rubenstein, Co-founder and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group, has 
given the Library of Congress stewardship of the first map printed in North 
America, depicting the boundaries of the new American nation and showing the 
“Stars and Stripes” for the first time. The map, which was printed in early 
1784 and is considered the best preserved of those few copies in existence, had 
been in the custody of the New Jersey Historical Society since 1862 and was 
sold at Christie’s in Manhattan on Dec. 3, 2010. The map will be displayed at 
the Library of Congress in the early spring and will be available for public 
viewing for five years. 

Abel Buell’s map “A New and Correct Map of the United States of North America 
Layd Down from the Latest Observations and Best Authorities Agreeable to the 
Peace of 1783” is the first to be copyrighted in the United States and was 
published only six months after the Treaty of Paris signing (Sept. 3, 1783) 
ended the Revolutionary War. This map is the single most important American 
cartographic document missing from the collection of the Library of Congress, 
according to John Hébert, chief of the Library’s Geography and Map Division. 

Maps and atlases have been an important part of the collections of the Library 
of Congress since its beginning in 1800, when a joint congressional committee 
purchased three maps and an atlas from a London dealer.  From this modest 
beginning the Library’s cartographic holdings have grown during the past two 
centuries to more than 5.2 million maps, 80,000 atlases, 6,000 reference works, 
numerous globes, and a large amount of cartographic materials in other formats, 
including electronic.  Abel Buell’s “A New and Correct Map” will join 
“America’s birth certificate”—Martin Waldseemüller’s monumental 1507 world 
map—as a welcomed and complementary addition to the Library’s rich map 
collection. 

A civic-minded Washingtonian, David Rubenstein has long been a supporter of the 
Library of Congress.  He is a member of the Library’s private-sector advisory 
group, the James Madison Council, and in 2010 he gave the Library $5 million in 
support of the National Book Festival. 

“It is a great privilege for the Library of Congress to display this map, which 
will be on loan from Mr. Rubenstein for the next five years,” said Librarian of 
Congress James H. Billington. “The cartographic curators have pointed to this 
map as the most important document not held in the national collections.” 

“The Library of Congress, under Jim Billington’s leadership, is widely 
recognized as the finest

Re: [MapHist] Carte Generale Du Royaume De La Nouvelle Espagne

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Ricardo,

This subject is far from my area of expertise, and I'm traveling, thus no 
references to consult.

That said, I believe Lapie copied some of von Humboldt's geography on his maps 
of North America, in Nouvelles Annales des Voyages from 1810 to 1816, although 
the scale of his map makes it difficult to appreciate this fact.

You might want to contact the map dealer Frederik Muller, in Bergum Holland, 
who may have additional information for you on this topic.

Of course, Poirson "copied" von Humboldt, but under von Humboldt's direction.

Don McGuirk 

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Dear friends: 

I’m working on the visual representation of intendancies of New Spain. 
According to Edmundo O’Gorman (Mexican historian), Alexander Von Humboldt 
sketched the first map of the late eighteenth century territorial 
administrations (1804). The printed map appeared as Carte Generale Du Royaume 
De La Nouvelle Espagne (1811). I want to know if there are other maps and 
charts that copied from Humboldt besides Pike and Arrowsmith. Any reference to 
an article, book, or map might help me. Thank you in advance. If you want, you 
can reply me off the list: rfago...@ucsd.edu 

Ricardo -- 
Ricardo A. Fagoaga Hernández
Ph.D. Candidate, Latin American History
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)

Visiting Fellow
Center for U.S. Mexican Studies
University of California, San Diego (UCSD)

University of California, San Diego
9500 Gilman Drive, Mail Code 0510
La Jolla, CA 92093-0510 rfago...@ucsd.edu (858) 775 40 51 
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Re: [MapHist] Map Query: NICOLAES VAN GEELKERCKEN

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Alvaro,

You have a modern reproduction of a map first done in 1617. If you can find a 
copy of the book, The Mapping of the World by Rodney Shirley, it is map number 
295 in that book. The dealer Jack Monckton had a copy of this map about 25 
years ago. Shirley has the original listed as very rare.

Additionally, go to the site www.worldcat.org

There you should type in (separately) the number 220734496 for multiple 
libraries with a listing of the map and after you are done go back and enter 
the number 61135374 for information from the University of Bern.

Maps are a beautiful thing, even in their reproductions. Enjoy your purchase.

Don McGuirk

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I purchased this map a few years ago and have been fascinated with it ever 
since I saw it. 
I could only find very little information on the maker and the map, nothing 
about the one I specifically own. 
I was wondering if anyone has ever seen something like this or could give me 
more information. 

The title is: "Orbis Terrarum Descriptio Duobis Planis Hemisphaeriis 
Comprehesa" 

I am pretty sure it is not original, but the artwork and the way the light 
reflects off has me curious to learn more about it. 

a 50kb upload limit doesn't allow me to attach pictures, but you can see them 
at: 
www.skynetts.com/R/CIMG0380.JPG 
www.skynetts.com/R/CIMG0381.JPG 

If you can give me more information, I would be grateful. 
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[MapHist] First Announcement: The Mapping of North America: Westward Expansion

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To the Members of the Maphist list:

The Rocky Mountain Map Society, the Denver Public Library and the University of 
Denver (the oldest and largest private university in the Rocky Mountain region) 
would like to announce the above noted map conference, to take place in Denver, 
Colorado on the dates of July 26 - 27, 2012. This conference will be 
immediately followed by the "Map Fair of the West" on July 28 and 29.

Further details will be shared with the list as they are confirmed. Please note 
these dates on your calenders.

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Re: [MapHist] 1545 world map by Vopelius

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Peter,

Perhaps of some small help, check Mercator's 1738 World map (plate XLIII, 
Nordenskiold Facsimile Atlas, New York, 1973) and Shirley, The Mapping of the 
World, entries 78 plate 68 and 91, plate 79. You map also want to look closely 
at the The S. Cabot world map of 1544 (a large reproduction is available at 
some libraries). 

C. Raso is a common name on early maps. See Vesconte de Maggiolo map of 1527 
(rear of H. Harrisse's The Discovery of North America) which, in the area of 
CORTE REAL, has both a c. de marco and a c. Raso. The southeast end of New 
Foundland is still called Cape Race.

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Dear colleageues, 
  
the work on my Vopelius project includes the tracing of all sources which 
Vopelius has used for the compilation of his 1545 wall-map of the world. 
To draw the east coast of today's Canada, Vopelius has used - anong others - 
the 1541 globe by Mercator. But there remain some surprising entries. 
  
In the Far North are COSTA darea and Baia de tormento . Further south is the 
well-known CORTE REALIS insula , but with further small islands named: Domarco 
, Insula de Vogo with C. RASO and Crucis. 
  
I do not know a pre-1545 printed map or text, in which these names are found. 
Any hint is welcome 
  
Peter H. Meurer. 
  
  
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Re: [MapHist] Re: R.W. Seale's 1748 HBC Map

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Hello,

I did not receive the original email that prompted this reply. However, there 
is a third copy of this map in the Huntington Library, and, I have been told 
that the former records of the Hudson Bay Company had a number of other copies 
of this map.

Don McGuirk

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Odd the differences,

Yes another copy does exist.  It was on public display for decades in
a Canadian National Historic site called Lower Fort Garry.  Lower Fort
Garry commemorates its history as a Hudson Bay Co. Fort.  In recent
years it has been removed to the HBC archives. Probably because it was
only one of two copies in the world and while framed in glass it was
right there on a wall where it could have been potentially mishandled
by visitors.  According to the archives (located with the Provincial
archives in Winnipeg) the only other copy of the map was donated by
the company to the British Museum. The original is NOT a hand coloured
engraving.  Perhaps Mr. Kashnor's copy was made at some later date
based on the one from the British Museum but having been in the
presence of the North American original I can say I'd be highly
skeptical of its having been made within the same time period.  The
story I heard as to why the map looks the way it does also differs.
>From my understanding it was made based on company knowledge of
waterways which you may note are the most accurate part of the map and
that the purpose was for the company to show its present understanding
of what the continent looked like.  Hence accurate East coast, Hudson
Bay, and Great Lakes.  It was only later in the 1790s that company
surveyor David Thompson painstakingly filled in the rest of Rupert's
Land accurately by traveling up one river and down the next till he'd
filled in over 3.9 million km2, the work continued even through a
change of employer to North West Company.

Hope some of this is useful.

S. Olson

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Re: [MapHist] Henri de Leth

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For those who are interested, Worldcat OCLC numbers for this map are

558020781

212253937 and

228720362, map 3 of atlas

Don
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The following cataloging entry appears in the online KVK catalog
(http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html), from the
BibliotheksVerbund Bayern. I could not find a listing in WorldCat
(subscription version), COPAC or the British Library's online integrated
catalog (but could have missed it).

  Joel Kovarsky


Titel: Mappe-Monde ou Description Du Globe Terrestre |vû en Concave ou en
creux en Deux Hemispheres ; ou l'on trouve en General le Rapportque toutes
ses Parties ont avec les Cieux, entr'Elles, et avec L'Histoire |Mappe
Monde ou Description Du Globe Terrestre
Verfasser: Leth, Hendrik ¬de¬
Impressum: Amsterdam : Henry De Leth : 1750 : 1 Kt. : Kupferst. ; 63 x 32
cm, Bildgr. 67 x 45 cm
Jahr: 1750
Zusatzinformationen: Weltkt. in 2 Hemisphären. - Mit 6 Nebenkt.: Les Trois
Positions De La Sphere vues en Convexe, l'oeil étant á Distance infinie de
la Section du 90me Meridien et de l'Equateur. Les Trois Positions De La
Sphere vues en Convexe, l'oeil étant posé á distanse infinie du Zsenith
Dokumenttyp: Karte , Monographie
BVB-Nummer: BV004670107

Schlagwörter 1: Weltkarte / Altkarte
Schlagwörter 2: Planiglob / Altkarte
Bestand im BVB:

* Universitätsbibliothek Eichstätt - Zentralbibliothek und
Teilbibliotheken in Eichstätt (Sigel: 824)

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> Lindsay,
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> The following information on de Leth's map can be found on AMPR and
> www.worldcat.org.
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> Offered for sale by Kitt Kapp in 1993 and Richard Arkway (NY) in 2001,
> undated, 44 cm x 66 cm. Apparently in Arkway's catalogue 55, item #22,
> 2001. You might want to contact them for the info they had in that
> catalogue.
>
> Worldcat suggests map is c. 1730-50. Apparently from Nicolas Visscher's
> Altas Minor (after 1725). Copies are held by the British Library and
> Biblioteque Universiteit van Amsterdam.
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> Don McGuirk
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> I am trying to find some biographical information on Henri de Leth and/or
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Re: [MapHist] Henri de Leth

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Lindsay,

The following information on de Leth's map can be found on AMPR and 
www.worldcat.org.

Offered for sale by Kitt Kapp in 1993 and Richard Arkway (NY) in 2001, undated, 
44 cm x 66 cm. Apparently in Arkway's catalogue 55, item #22, 2001. You might 
want to contact them for the info they had in that catalogue.

Worldcat suggests map is c. 1730-50. Apparently from Nicolas Visscher's Altas 
Minor (after 1725). Copies are held by the British Library and Biblioteque 
Universiteit van Amsterdam. 

Don McGuirk


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Hi, 

  

I am trying to find some biographical information on Henri de Leth and/or 
information on Mappe Monde….Globe Terrestre. 

  

Thanks! 

Lindsay Hilton 

  

  

Vintage 329 

329 Royal Street 

New Orleans, LA 70130 

504.525.2262 (o) 

504.390.0053 (m) 

lind...@vintage329.com 

www.vintage329.com 

  
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Re: [MapHist] 1992 map True or verdadera route of Christopher Columbus ...

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Angie,

This email address was accurate for Bill Dunwoody last year. Hopefully it still 
is!

sadunwo...@peoplepc.com

Don McGuirk
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Random question of the day ...

Does anyone know anything about a map "The True or verdadera route of 
Christopher Columbus, October 12-27, 1492 :  showing islands he 
discovered and his anchorages in the Bahamas Archipelago as 
reconstructed from his journal and other original sources" by 
Christopher C. Larimore and Bill Dunwoody?

If not, does anyone know how to contact Dunwoody or Larimore? I saw that 
Dunwoody presented at the 2004 Society for the History of Discoveries 
but there is no contact information.

Thanks for your help.


-Angie

Angie Cope, Senior Academic Librarian
American Geographical Society Library
UW Milwaukee Libraries
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[MapHist] Fwd: Mystery Cartographer!

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 Could any of my esteemed colleagues tell me which 1750-1800 cartographer 
is being described by the following; "A Paris, ches l'auteur, Rue de Bourbon, 
pres le pont Royal, a la Croix d'Or?

Thank you in advance.

Don McGuirk

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