Re: MI PDF, Postscript to PDF

2000-03-31 Thread Severin Roberts

I keep using PowerPoint. Copy Map window, paste special.
Different options give different visual results.   Also,
MS's little Image Composter is decent for pasting things
into, changing size and then saving to web friendly images. 
You can't resize maps once they are saved and keep all of
the little lines clear and sharp.  

In PowerPoint, you can zoom into parts of the map and it
will maintain the graphics, without having to mess up the
map window.

I used Word for my thesis.  It worked like a dream.  I got
the map window to be the way I wanted, Copy map window,
Paste special>picture>don't float over text. 

The only thing lost was some of the different boundary line
thicknesses.  Still, it worked fine and works for reports
and presentations.

Severin

BTW--It's likely we are distant cousins, Mr. Karr.

Robert Karr wrote:
> 
> Greetings:  We're still using MapInfo Pro 4.52 under NT4. We use a HP5SI printer 
>driver to print from MapInfo to a PS file.  Take the PS file into Acrobat Distiller 
>and produce a PDF file.  This results in a very, very small shift in colors  and not 
>any other changes that I've noticed viewing the PDF in Acrobat on my monitor.
> 
> BUT, printing the PDF to a HPColor4500 and comparing that hardcopy to a hardcopy 
>printed from MapInfo directly on the same printer, you notice differences.  The color 
>shift is more noticeable, but not bad.  The big problem for me is the crosshatch 
>patterns are very different.  When viewed on the monitor, the PDF version's 
>crosshatches are OK, seem to be exactly like the MapInfo original, both composed of 
>fine medium gray lines laid over solid colors.  When printed, some of the PDF's 
>crosshatch lines are so faint they can't be seen without a magnifying glass but 
>others within the same polygon are OK, in no discernable pattern.
> 
> I'm still looking for a good way to get a very high resolution Layout containing 
>complex maps and lots of text from MapInfo into a form that be inserted into apps 
>like Word or Quark and become part of the master document without losing text or 
>having fonts change or having font sizes change or having line,polygon or fill 
>attributes change or some of the map missing completely or .. .  Bitmaps like 
>TIFFs maintain integrity OK but when exported at huge sizes just don't have the 
>resolution even when scaled down to something smaller than the original.
> 
> >From the discussion on this list and other places, it seems printing to an EPS file 
>is the way to go.  I'm trying to get our Info Sys Div. people to install a printer 
>driver with EPS capabilities on my PC.  They are sometimes slow to respond to such 
>request, and always very touchy about what is added to their "standard 
>configuration".  We've had a lot crash problems seemingly caused by subtle 
>incompatibility problems. And, I'm prohibited from adding anything myself that is 
>remotely executable to my PC.
> 
> EPS files seem to be a "standard" file format that can contain complex graphics and 
>text, and be recognized by a wide variety of apps (like Word and Quark), printer 
>drivers and printers.  I'm still trying to find out if there is more than one EPS 
>format.  My concern stems from experiences with the various TIFF formats.
> 
> The long term answer seems to be to use MapInfo to develop the "information" in your 
>map layers with thematics or whatever is needed to get your information across 
>without bothering too much about point, line or polygon attributes, or titles and 
>other such "text", then take those layers into Illustrator or Freehand via 
>MaPublisher.  Do the "art" part of cartography there.  Any graphics app will give you 
>much more control over the appearance of your map.  MaPublisher allows you take a lot 
>of different GIS/CAD/Cartography type files into Illustrator (usually maintaining any 
>underlying data), and gives you some GIS type capabilities while working within 
>Illustrator using the very powerful graphics tools there.  And, Illustrator seems  to 
>be able to export in a lot of different formats.
> 
> I have both Illustrator 8 and the latest MaPublisher, but I just can't find the time 
>to learn enough about Illustrator to find out if it will solve my problems, or just 
>present a new set.
> 
> Every once in a while I feel the need to vent a bit about these weaknesses in 
>MapInfo, just to keep in front of MapInfo and the L.
> 
> Good luck.  Keep us posted.Bob
> 
> Robert Karr Phone: 517-373-3028
> Science Research AssistantFAX: 517-373-0171
> Science and Technology Division
> Legislative Service Bureau
> Michigan State Legislature
> 124 West Allegan Street, 4th Floor
> pob 30036
> Lansing, MI 48909-7536
> USA
> 
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Re: MI PDF, Postscript to PDF

2000-03-30 Thread Robert Karr

Greetings:  We're still using MapInfo Pro 4.52 under NT4. We use a HP5SI printer 
driver to print from MapInfo to a PS file.  Take the PS file into Acrobat Distiller 
and produce a PDF file.  This results in a very, very small shift in colors  and not 
any other changes that I've noticed viewing the PDF in Acrobat on my monitor.  

BUT, printing the PDF to a HPColor4500 and comparing that hardcopy to a hardcopy 
printed from MapInfo directly on the same printer, you notice differences.  The color 
shift is more noticeable, but not bad.  The big problem for me is the crosshatch 
patterns are very different.  When viewed on the monitor, the PDF version's 
crosshatches are OK, seem to be exactly like the MapInfo original, both composed of 
fine medium gray lines laid over solid colors.  When printed, some of the PDF's 
crosshatch lines are so faint they can't be seen without a magnifying glass but others 
within the same polygon are OK, in no discernable pattern.

I'm still looking for a good way to get a very high resolution Layout containing 
complex maps and lots of text from MapInfo into a form that be inserted into apps like 
Word or Quark and become part of the master document without losing text or having 
fonts change or having font sizes change or having line,polygon or fill attributes 
change or some of the map missing completely or .. .  Bitmaps like TIFFs maintain 
integrity OK but when exported at huge sizes just don't have the resolution even when 
scaled down to something smaller than the original.

>From the discussion on this list and other places, it seems printing to an EPS file 
>is the way to go.  I'm trying to get our Info Sys Div. people to install a printer 
>driver with EPS capabilities on my PC.  They are sometimes slow to respond to such 
>request, and always very touchy about what is added to their "standard 
>configuration".  We've had a lot crash problems seemingly caused by subtle 
>incompatibility problems. And, I'm prohibited from adding anything myself that is 
>remotely executable to my PC. 

EPS files seem to be a "standard" file format that can contain complex graphics and 
text, and be recognized by a wide variety of apps (like Word and Quark), printer 
drivers and printers.  I'm still trying to find out if there is more than one EPS 
format.  My concern stems from experiences with the various TIFF formats. 

The long term answer seems to be to use MapInfo to develop the "information" in your 
map layers with thematics or whatever is needed to get your information across without 
bothering too much about point, line or polygon attributes, or titles and other such 
"text", then take those layers into Illustrator or Freehand via MaPublisher.  Do the 
"art" part of cartography there.  Any graphics app will give you much more control 
over the appearance of your map.  MaPublisher allows you take a lot of different 
GIS/CAD/Cartography type files into Illustrator (usually maintaining any underlying 
data), and gives you some GIS type capabilities while working within Illustrator using 
the very powerful graphics tools there.  And, Illustrator seems  to be able to export 
in a lot of different formats.  

I have both Illustrator 8 and the latest MaPublisher, but I just can't find the time 
to learn enough about Illustrator to find out if it will solve my problems, or just 
present a new set.

Every once in a while I feel the need to vent a bit about these weaknesses in MapInfo, 
just to keep in front of MapInfo and the L. 

Good luck.  Keep us posted.Bob

Robert Karr Phone: 517-373-3028
Science Research AssistantFAX: 517-373-0171
Science and Technology Division
Legislative Service Bureau
Michigan State Legislature
124 West Allegan Street, 4th Floor
pob 30036
Lansing, MI 48909-7536
USA

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Re: MI PDF, Postscript to PDF

2000-03-30 Thread Miguel Iturralde



Hello Henk,
 
If it is of any help, I print layouts to files using a 
PostScript printer.  I set up the PPD file using Tektronix Phaser 850DX 
printer drivers (WinNT 4.  With RedMon, available at the 
ghostscript/ghostview Web page, I set my non-PostScript printer as one.  I 
open the resulting *.ps file in ghostview and then go to Print... (not 
Printfile...), and check Print to File utilizing pdfwrite (resolution choices of 
72, 300, and 600 dpi).
 
The PDF files created in this fashion are of high 
quality.  From Acrobat Reader, choosing the printer set up as PostScript is 
best for printing fine line networks, such as hypsography or hydrography.  
For thematic maps, even the regular ink-jet printer drivers will also 
produce excellent results.
 
True, it is quite cumbersome if printing a few maps and also, 
I have never done this with maps beyond letter (paper) size.
 
The advantages are that the resources (Acrobat Reader and 
ghostscript/ghostview) are free, and I am able to use my ink-jet printer as 
PostScript.
 
Regards,
 
Miguel Iturralde[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Henk 
  Meij 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, 30 March, 2000 11:09 
  AM
  Subject: MI PDF, Postscript to PDF
  Hi All, a printing problem.  I use MI 5.5 and I seem 
  to never, never get exactly WISIWIG.  Especiallywhen using a PDF 
  writer under windowsNT (it turns area shades to solidblobs etc).  So, 
  I'm trying going to postscript first.I installed AdobePS and using it, 
  set up printers for the PPD files of anHP Color Laserjet and Adobe 
  Disitiller PS.  When I print my layout to afile, MI generates the 
  postscript file.  However, there are "segements" offor example stray 
  lat/lon lines or elevation contours.  These stray piecesare not on my 
  screen.I'd be interested in learning if- somebody prints directly 
  to a PDF file without problems from MI- somebody has a psotscript printer 
  PPD file which geenrates exactly whatthey see on screen when viewing the 
  file with ghostview for example-HenkHendrik K. Meij, 
  Academic Computing ManagerSocial Sciences, Wesleyan University 
  Judd Hall B23, Middletown CT 06459, Phone:860.685.4482, Fax:860.685.2401 
  "There is so much I wish to know" -Poirot 
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MI PDF, Postscript to PDF

2000-03-30 Thread Henk Meij

Hi All, a printing problem.  
I use MI 5.5 and I seem to never, never get exactly WISIWIG.  Especially
when using a PDF writer under windowsNT (it turns area shades to solid
blobs etc).  So, I'm trying going to postscript first.

I installed AdobePS and using it, set up printers for the PPD files of an
HP Color Laserjet and Adobe Disitiller PS.  When I print my layout to a
file, MI generates the postscript file.  However, there are "segements" of
for example stray lat/lon lines or elevation contours.  These stray pieces
are not on my screen.

I'd be interested in learning if
- somebody prints directly to a PDF file without problems from MI
- somebody has a psotscript printer PPD file which geenrates exactly what
they see on screen when viewing the file with ghostview for example

-Henk


Hendrik K. Meij, 
Academic Computing Manager
Social Sciences, Wesleyan University 
Judd Hall B23, Middletown CT 06459, Phone:860.685.4482, Fax:860.685.2401 
"There is so much I wish to know" -Poirot 
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