Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Since this message keeps appearing, it deserves a public answer. ESRI was the major sponsor of the recent International Health Geographics Conference, at which one of the senior partners of our firm presented a paper on our rapid epidemiological assessment of river blindness in Mozambique. Jack Dangermond has personally contributed software, as much as we need or want, at no cost for this Mozambique effort, and has contributed invaluable logistic and other advice. I would just love to see MapInfo do anything societally conscious at all. Perhaps they are much too busy inventing more "major" upgrades to the desktop software that should be maintenance releases and priced accordingly. At a minimum, MapInfo needs to step up and better serve its loyal desktop users. -- Steve - Original Message - From: "Dick Hoskins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Steve Lackow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > In what way does ESRI respond to public health? I am at a loss - I have seen > their presentations, etc but not ONE deals with anything that has anything > to do with public health (surveillance, assessment, program evaluation) . > Perhaps I am wrong, show me the way. > > Dick Hoskins > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > GIS uses in public health summer course: > http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html > - Original Message - > From: "Steve Lackow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:31 AM > Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > > Margie, we linked to your public health GIS site from ours at > > http://www.rpmconsulting.com/PublicHealth.html > > > > As for the map server question, ArcIMS is the latest and greatest, but if > > all the geodata are in MapInfo format and I was used to the MapInfo > > programming environment I might stick with that. > > > > As for ESRI out-doing MapInfo on marketing, I think ESRI simply > understands > > the needs of the educational user better and addresses them better. There > > are also other segments where ESRI excels (e.g. public health, government, > > transportation). But though my firm works predominantly with ESRI > products, > > I've always felt MapInfo had far superior marketing to business users, > and > > that ArcView is still not as productive as MapInfo or Atlas GIS for > business > > use. But this is changing. > > > > To me, it's all good. It would be nice if we had one GIS format already, > > though -- or if at least the major products were all thoroughly > > interoperable on format. Atlas 4.0 is actually closest to this, as it can > > import and export MIF, SHP, BNA and AGF. > > > > -- Steve > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Portolan Geomatics Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:06 PM > > Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, Portolan Geomatics Inc wrote: > > > > > > > Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone > > > > seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) > > > > > > > > > Yikes. I am missed. Cool. > > > > > > Some things I've been thinking about lately, while not managing to > > > correspond with mapinfo-l: > > > > > > - Whether to ask MapInfo for a copy of MapXtreme, or ESRI for a copy of > > > ArcIMS, or MapOjectsIMS. I intend to create a non-profit web site of > > > bicycle routes. I was already turned down by DeLorme. They have a > > > speedy-gonzales Eartha web mapping product, but apparently they use such > > > optimized data (like RouteIMS) that you can't import custom data. > > > > > > I want whichever solution is easier for the programmer to implement, and > > > whichever is faster, in that order of priority, I guess, but both would > be > > > nice. > > > > > > Which is a better product? > > > > > > - I'm planning to use Flash with MAPublisher and Illustrator to > implement > > > some web mapping. I was very impressed by the Baltimore Sun's look at > > > Handgun legislation. Click on the United States graphic on the > right-hand > > > lower side of http://www.sunspot.net/news/special/guns
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
When we made the effort to bring GIS technology to our organization five years ago, we chose MapInfo to stay compatible with our clients who also use MapInfo. Since our organization is associated with the University of North Dakota, we fall under all the site license contracts that are made through the state higher education office. Early last year a contract was put into place for ESRI products. I was able to purchase ArcView for $20 and any extensions for $10 each. We now run both programs, but MapInfo remains our primary workhorse. In this aspect, ESRI is able to recruit thousands of users, much in the same way Microsoft gets people to use Internet Explorer by including on every new computer with Windows. So, I guess that ESRI does simply understand the needs of the educational user and addresses them better. Wes Peck Energy & Environmental Research Center 701-777-5195 -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
In what way does ESRI respond to public health? I am at a loss - I have seen their presentations, etc but not ONE deals with anything that has anything to do with public health (surveillance, assessment, program evaluation) . Perhaps I am wrong, show me the way. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Steve Lackow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:31 AM Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > Margie, we linked to your public health GIS site from ours at > http://www.rpmconsulting.com/PublicHealth.html > > As for the map server question, ArcIMS is the latest and greatest, but if > all the geodata are in MapInfo format and I was used to the MapInfo > programming environment I might stick with that. > > As for ESRI out-doing MapInfo on marketing, I think ESRI simply understands > the needs of the educational user better and addresses them better. There > are also other segments where ESRI excels (e.g. public health, government, > transportation). But though my firm works predominantly with ESRI products, > I've always felt MapInfo had far superior marketing to business users, and > that ArcView is still not as productive as MapInfo or Atlas GIS for business > use. But this is changing. > > To me, it's all good. It would be nice if we had one GIS format already, > though -- or if at least the major products were all thoroughly > interoperable on format. Atlas 4.0 is actually closest to this, as it can > import and export MIF, SHP, BNA and AGF. > > -- Steve > > - Original Message - > From: "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Portolan Geomatics Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:06 PM > Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, Portolan Geomatics Inc wrote: > > > > > Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone > > > seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) > > > > > > Yikes. I am missed. Cool. > > > > Some things I've been thinking about lately, while not managing to > > correspond with mapinfo-l: > > > > - Whether to ask MapInfo for a copy of MapXtreme, or ESRI for a copy of > > ArcIMS, or MapOjectsIMS. I intend to create a non-profit web site of > > bicycle routes. I was already turned down by DeLorme. They have a > > speedy-gonzales Eartha web mapping product, but apparently they use such > > optimized data (like RouteIMS) that you can't import custom data. > > > > I want whichever solution is easier for the programmer to implement, and > > whichever is faster, in that order of priority, I guess, but both would be > > nice. > > > > Which is a better product? > > > > - I'm planning to use Flash with MAPublisher and Illustrator to implement > > some web mapping. I was very impressed by the Baltimore Sun's look at > > Handgun legislation. Click on the United States graphic on the right-hand > > lower side of http://www.sunspot.net/news/special/guns/ > > > > I think this is beautifully implemented, and faster, and more responsive > > than ANY GIS-on-the-web solution I've ever seen before. I intend to create > > an animation of the spread of Lyme Disease. > > > > - A couple of months ago I created http://hello.to/healthgeo, a web site > > of links devoted to Health Geographics > > > > Well, that's what's up with me on the mapping, and maps-on-the-web front. > > Thanks for noticing my "absence." > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Margie "Still-a-MapInfo-User-after-all-these-years" Roswell > > > > > > P.S. My campus has a site license for ESRI products. I do feel a tidal > > wave push in that direction, especially because of effective marketing by > > ESRI. I mean, at the local GIS conference last week, I was carrying a bag > > with ESRI's name on it. MapInfo should, indeed, take a few tips from ESRI, > > on both user-interface, and marketing fronts. > > > > > > _ > > Marjorie Roswell, Spatial Analyst > > UMBC Center for Health Program Development and Management > > 1000 Hilltop Circle Fx: (410)455-6850 > > Baltimore, MD 21250 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Margie, we linked to your public health GIS site from ours at http://www.rpmconsulting.com/PublicHealth.html As for the map server question, ArcIMS is the latest and greatest, but if all the geodata are in MapInfo format and I was used to the MapInfo programming environment I might stick with that. As for ESRI out-doing MapInfo on marketing, I think ESRI simply understands the needs of the educational user better and addresses them better. There are also other segments where ESRI excels (e.g. public health, government, transportation). But though my firm works predominantly with ESRI products, I've always felt MapInfo had far superior marketing to business users, and that ArcView is still not as productive as MapInfo or Atlas GIS for business use. But this is changing. To me, it's all good. It would be nice if we had one GIS format already, though -- or if at least the major products were all thoroughly interoperable on format. Atlas 4.0 is actually closest to this, as it can import and export MIF, SHP, BNA and AGF. -- Steve - Original Message - From: "Marjorie Roswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Portolan Geomatics Inc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:06 PM Subject: Re: MI AND AV in the same office? > On Wed, 3 May 2000, Portolan Geomatics Inc wrote: > > > Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone > > seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) > > > Yikes. I am missed. Cool. > > Some things I've been thinking about lately, while not managing to > correspond with mapinfo-l: > > - Whether to ask MapInfo for a copy of MapXtreme, or ESRI for a copy of > ArcIMS, or MapOjectsIMS. I intend to create a non-profit web site of > bicycle routes. I was already turned down by DeLorme. They have a > speedy-gonzales Eartha web mapping product, but apparently they use such > optimized data (like RouteIMS) that you can't import custom data. > > I want whichever solution is easier for the programmer to implement, and > whichever is faster, in that order of priority, I guess, but both would be > nice. > > Which is a better product? > > - I'm planning to use Flash with MAPublisher and Illustrator to implement > some web mapping. I was very impressed by the Baltimore Sun's look at > Handgun legislation. Click on the United States graphic on the right-hand > lower side of http://www.sunspot.net/news/special/guns/ > > I think this is beautifully implemented, and faster, and more responsive > than ANY GIS-on-the-web solution I've ever seen before. I intend to create > an animation of the spread of Lyme Disease. > > - A couple of months ago I created http://hello.to/healthgeo, a web site > of links devoted to Health Geographics > > Well, that's what's up with me on the mapping, and maps-on-the-web front. > Thanks for noticing my "absence." > > > Regards, > > Margie "Still-a-MapInfo-User-after-all-these-years" Roswell > > > P.S. My campus has a site license for ESRI products. I do feel a tidal > wave push in that direction, especially because of effective marketing by > ESRI. I mean, at the local GIS conference last week, I was carrying a bag > with ESRI's name on it. MapInfo should, indeed, take a few tips from ESRI, > on both user-interface, and marketing fronts. > > > _ > Marjorie Roswell, Spatial Analyst > UMBC Center for Health Program Development and Management > 1000 Hilltop Circle Fx: (410)455-6850 > Baltimore, MD 21250 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ph: (410)455-6802http://umbc.edu/~roswell/mipage.html > _ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
On Wed, 3 May 2000, Portolan Geomatics Inc wrote: > Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone > seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) Yikes. I am missed. Cool. Some things I've been thinking about lately, while not managing to correspond with mapinfo-l: - Whether to ask MapInfo for a copy of MapXtreme, or ESRI for a copy of ArcIMS, or MapOjectsIMS. I intend to create a non-profit web site of bicycle routes. I was already turned down by DeLorme. They have a speedy-gonzales Eartha web mapping product, but apparently they use such optimized data (like RouteIMS) that you can't import custom data. I want whichever solution is easier for the programmer to implement, and whichever is faster, in that order of priority, I guess, but both would be nice. Which is a better product? - I'm planning to use Flash with MAPublisher and Illustrator to implement some web mapping. I was very impressed by the Baltimore Sun's look at Handgun legislation. Click on the United States graphic on the right-hand lower side of http://www.sunspot.net/news/special/guns/ I think this is beautifully implemented, and faster, and more responsive than ANY GIS-on-the-web solution I've ever seen before. I intend to create an animation of the spread of Lyme Disease. - A couple of months ago I created http://hello.to/healthgeo, a web site of links devoted to Health Geographics Well, that's what's up with me on the mapping, and maps-on-the-web front. Thanks for noticing my "absence." Regards, Margie "Still-a-MapInfo-User-after-all-these-years" Roswell P.S. My campus has a site license for ESRI products. I do feel a tidal wave push in that direction, especially because of effective marketing by ESRI. I mean, at the local GIS conference last week, I was carrying a bag with ESRI's name on it. MapInfo should, indeed, take a few tips from ESRI, on both user-interface, and marketing fronts. _ Marjorie Roswell, Spatial Analyst UMBC Center for Health Program Development and Management 1000 Hilltop Circle Fx: (410)455-6850 Baltimore, MD 21250 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: (410)455-6802http://umbc.edu/~roswell/mipage.html _ -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MI AND AV in the same office?
Robert/ donna et al, We use ArcInfo, ArcView, MapInfo, and occassionaly AutoCAD, Pamap, and Illustrator. Each progam has their strong points but the problem of handling multiple datasets which are identical in content but different in format is a major pain in the asp. Recently I discovered a misclassified road. It took me 5 minutes to fix it once in ArcInfo. And then another 5 to fix it again in MapInfo. And then... Several times we've contemplated settling down on just one program, but no single program ever meets all of our needs. We're also leary of putting all our eggs in one basket. What if, say, ESRI decides Avenue is no more and development and support cease? Or MapInfo decides a minumum of 5 clicks is okay for turning layers on and off forevermore? My biggest wish is for the development and widespread adoption of a non-proprietary "GISML" standard so the mapping community can reap similar benefits to what we've seen with HTML and the world wide web. I bet I've spent at least 30% of my GIS time in the last 8 years "merely" massaging and pummeling data from one program format to another. So yes, multiple GISs are common, but be sure you look before you leap. :) cheers, -matt Matt Wilkie * GIS Technician * Yukon Renewable Resources GIS http://renres.gov.yk.ca/pubs/rrgis/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Hello MI'ers Interesting discussion. Nice to hear something other than the standard either/or - this vs. that debate and that those with resources to support both platforms are finding ways to integrate... We use both, but to be honest the only reason we use AV is for the Network Analyst extension. Everything ultimately gets translated back to MI... We do a lot of drawing/developing of (bus) routes and the "shift/click (every segment) > combine" option in MI in more than tedious... With NA running we can simply select points on the network, click the "solve network problem" and the new route is drawn. Not to mention the other network analytics that NA offers (network "costed" routing/access solutions)... We just have to export the results back to tab... :-) Cheers, Frank __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Curious that I can find shape files for AV and MapI files that won't load into AV or MI and then when I important them into Maptitude (they have always imported fine) and then output the files from Maptitude to another AV or MI file that THEN I can get AV and MI to read their own files. Besides that, Maptitude is easy to use and does a few things that MI and AV can't. Maptitude doesn't have any Spatial Analyst or Vertical Mapper., but Surfer works just fine - not seamless, but hardly a big bother. Considering the $400 cost versus the bloated $12-1400 cost of the others it is a very good deal. Dick Hoskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIS uses in public health summer course: http://healthlinks.washington.edu/inpho/gis/course.html - Original Message - From: "Oliver Moffatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Robert Glazier'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Donna Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:18 AM Subject: RE: MI AND AV in the same office? > I'm a disciple of the "horses for courses" approach. I've never really got > into ArcView, but I am a big fan of Maptitude (http://www.caliper.com/) as > my alternative system. Quite often I find I can do things in Maptitude > that I can't do in MapInfo, and I use it a lot for data exchange with other > systems. By coincidence I'm using it right now to import some elevation > data which I can then convert to MIF for subsequent export to MapInfo. > Cheap and cheerful, and I use it a lot. I think you'll search forever for > a GIS which will fulfil all your requirements. > > === > Oliver Moffatt > GIS Support Officer > Peak District National Park Authority > Telephone (01629) 816269 > Fax (01629) 816310 > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > > On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:33 PM, Robert Glazier > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > > > > Donna, > > > > May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? > The > > reason I ask is(snip) > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Wow, so many multiplatform users out there! so, how about a really comprehensive list of pros and cons.? or how about a market share analysis, just who is leading the pack right now? or better still a "if you want to do the following use product x its better/faster/cheaper" type of listing for the record, I have spent an afternoon switching from MI to AV to do various bits of data destruction and much fun was had by all..not! .We also use AI,mapguide,Geographx,Er Mapper..in fact, too many to list.which is why a corporate standard of using AV for most of our science is being introduced...the cost of maintaining currency has simply become too great. (I personally find this particularly annoying as this is due in part to manufacturers producing some upgrades that meagre in their additional benefits and/or products that rely too heavily on must-have add-ons.) right..rant over,. i'm off to do some sensible SQL in MI before I pass the whole lot back to AV for some polygon splitting...them I'm going home to lie in a dark room, drink tea, and plan my retirement on illhealth grounds... Russell Lawley geologist British Geological Survey UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Just to stick my oar in, I have both MI and Autocad14.0/Map 3.0 and use both. Why you might ask? I find that they both have strengths and weaknesses. Mapinfo's strong points are cost, relative lack of complexity (at a user level) and standard of map presentation. Acad is costly, but I far prefer it's drawing/editing/construction toolset, admittedly due in part to familiarity as I have been using Acad a lot longer (since 1985). I do integrated database/GIS development and provide GIS services for a number of clients, and I tend to promote MapInfo/Access/Office solutions, but "in house" use Acad to do any heavy data preparation and editing (eg. ensuring polylines are contiguous, and closed if they are to be made into regions, ensuring things are on the proper layer) before importing to MapInfo as it's much easier to do this in autocad (in my humble opinion). If I have to do a lot of digitising , I prefer using Acad for the digitising as the Sketch facility (with skpoly on) provides a facility to set the interval between points, the user can then concentrate on tracing the line accurately, whilst points are created at the set interval. A. Beckett Aeromotion Limited -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Robert/ donna et al, We use MapInfo, ArcView and ArcInfo, different people specialising in each. ArcInfo seems to be able to do anything if you can find the right command. I would agree that MapInfo and ArcView each have their own strengths and weaknesses and hence we use the one that is most appropriate to the job or the clients requirements. Debbie Bryan - Debbie Bryan WRc plc GIS Analyst Frankland Road Blagrove Direct line : +44 (0) 1793 865050 Swindon Switchboard: +44 (0) 1793 865000 SN5 8YF Fax: +44 (0) 1793 865001 UK WRc - Solutions for Water, Waste and the Environment -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MI AND AV in the same office?
While MI and AV are each excellent products, they do serve different needs. We use both here in our office, and try to exploit the advantages one offers over another and vice versa. I've found that AV offers considerably more powerful analytical advantages for studying raster objects, where MI offers greater strengths or ease of use for vector objects. It would be nice to have one all-encompassing tool, but in the absence of that panacea, I will continue to use both tools as situations warrant. If you can get away with it (moneywise) try to get and maintain both environments, as the marriage of the 2 does provide for a very rich environment. Enjoy, Wade -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MI AND AV in the same office?
Robert- I don't know how common it is, but we also use MI and AV in the same office. We also use AutoCAD 2000, CorelDraw and Photo-Paint, as well as everything from the Microshaft Office package. We have AV because of preferences from our Head Office, but primarily (>95% of the time) use MapInfo for mapping. Our drafting dept. creates maps for geological research and mineral (diamond) exploration, and we also make presentation material, posters, and slide shows hence the other drawing packages. Anything graphic, we handle. With the use of the Universal Translator, we can export MapInfo files to ArcView SHP's in order to share with other users, so we don't need to draft or buy data twice. Same with DWG/DXF files which we still get from consultants, as well as all the original digitizing and mapping work we did before MapInfo (also the need for AutoCAD). Then you add on Access to query data from the database and Excel to give that data to others and to make graphs. All in all, I'm sure it's not too unusual to have more than one piece of software to get your job done. In your case, you probably don't need to upgrade everytime a new AV comes out, as most of the functions you use it for come with your original version. Regards, Jason p.s. If you ever get the time, take a scan through some Mapbasic (MB) programs - it's not to hard to pick up the basics of the language. > -Original Message- > From: Robert Glazier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:33 AM > To: Donna Glover; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > > Donna, > > May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? > The > reason I ask is that I've been using MI Pro 5.0 for about 9 months but > found > that I was being asked to run analyses that I wasn't capable of doing with > out > of the box MI. These analyses involve patient accessibility to our > provider > network i.e. how many providers are within how many miles of particular > patients. I looked for a cost effective extension for MI but couldn't find > any > that met my needs and I have no experience programming (although I am > trying to > pick it up). I was able however to get a good deal on an extension to AV > that > did exactly what I needed (Patient Access). > > To make a long story short I am using MI Pro for 90% of my mapping and AV > for > the other 10%. Note that we have 5 licenses for MI but I do 99% of the GIS > work. > But, I've begun to wonder whether it makes sense to have both packages. It > seems > like having Word and Wordperfect on the same machine. > > We will begin to assemble our wish lists for the 2001 budget soon and I've > been > asked to outline our GIS needs. So, I'm struggling with: a) Keeping both > packages on my machine and MI on everyone else's. b) Converting everyone > to AV. > or, c) Staying with MI and learning to program for my particular needs > (kind of > a painful approach after selling the idea of purchasing AV). Mixing the > two > systems means purchasing data for both systems (primarily streets for > geocoding > or MapMarker updates with occassional ZIP boundary updates). > > To further cloud the process I find particularly favorible attributes in > each > package. And in fact lean towards continuing to use each as the particular > job > warrants. > > I assumed until just recently that a person used one or the other but not > necessarily both. Would you mind sharing your thoughts? > > I posed a similar question to Tony D. as he has experience with both > packages > and recieved a great reply . I'm not so interested in MI vs. AV now but in > whether using both in the same department is in fact not so uncommon. > > I apologize for the long winded question and will submit it to the list to > avoid > asking it again. > > Rob Glazier, Market Analyst > Aurora Health Care > Milwaukee, WI > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MI AND AV in the same office?
I'm a disciple of the "horses for courses" approach. I've never really got into ArcView, but I am a big fan of Maptitude (http://www.caliper.com/) as my alternative system. Quite often I find I can do things in Maptitude that I can't do in MapInfo, and I use it a lot for data exchange with other systems. By coincidence I'm using it right now to import some elevation data which I can then convert to MIF for subsequent export to MapInfo. Cheap and cheerful, and I use it a lot. I think you'll search forever for a GIS which will fulfil all your requirements. === Oliver Moffatt GIS Support Officer Peak District National Park Authority Telephone (01629) 816269 Fax (01629) 816310 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] === On Wednesday, May 03, 2000 1:33 PM, Robert Glazier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > > > Donna, > > May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? The > reason I ask is(snip) -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
Hello listers, hope I won't offend the hardcore MI users here...anyone seen Ms. Roswell lately? :) Very rarely can we complete our more complicated mapping projects solely in one software. As a perfectionist to a fault one of my biggest pet peeves is not accomplishing a task as quickly as possible so I will use any and every software at my disposal to get what I need done - MapInfo, ArcView, Manifold, Corel, etc. etc. Our company has a limited budget as well and we only upgrade when we feel the software offers enough of an improvement to make the purchase worthwhile or if it does something that none of our other softwares can do - that we need!. I always find that if a software expense is less than the extra working expenses incurred trying to get a task done in a software that is not equipped to do it, the purchase is already a winner. A few of you might remember awhile back I was trying to select all my duplicate polygons and delete them (including looking at 50+ columns of data and except for the first instance). I got some good tips on how to do it in MapInfo but not only was it difficult to wrap one's head around it was painfully slow and inefficient. Manifold gave me what I wanted on the same computer in under a minute and I had my final dataset a few minutes later. (That's just one example, there are lots of things I wouldn't use Manifold for (sorry Dimitri!) and for those of you who are saying "What's Manifold?" I'll save you some time, check it out at www.manifold.net) And I'm sure there are a few of you out there that have other softwares that you rarely use because some of your more stubborn clients want you to convert your creations to whatever software they have. One of our clients knows that our cartographic products are of a higher quality in MapInfo but we also get paid to translate our final product into another software as best we can because that in what they have. Thanks, Ron Ron Halliday, Cartographer Portolan Geomatics (also in Calgary, AB!) http://members.home.net/portolan/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MI AND AV in the same office?
Short answer - Our GIS Group uses both, and I think it is not uncommon at all. Will Mitchell GIS Manager The Environmental Company, Inc. 2496 Old Ivy Rd Charlottesville, VA 22905 ph 804.295.4446 fx 804.295.4435 http://www.tecinc.com > -Original Message- > From: Robert Glazier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:33 AM > To: Donna Glover; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > > Donna, > > May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? > The > reason I ask is that I've been using MI Pro 5.0 for about 9 months but > found > that I was being asked to run analyses that I wasn't capable of doing with > out > of the box MI. These analyses involve patient accessibility to our > provider > network i.e. how many providers are within how many miles of particular > patients. I looked for a cost effective extension for MI but couldn't find > any > that met my needs and I have no experience programming (although I am > trying to > pick it up). I was able however to get a good deal on an extension to AV > that > did exactly what I needed (Patient Access). > > To make a long story short I am using MI Pro for 90% of my mapping and AV > for > the other 10%. Note that we have 5 licenses for MI but I do 99% of the GIS > work. > But, I've begun to wonder whether it makes sense to have both packages. It > seems > like having Word and Wordperfect on the same machine. > > We will begin to assemble our wish lists for the 2001 budget soon and I've > been > asked to outline our GIS needs. So, I'm struggling with: a) Keeping both > packages on my machine and MI on everyone else's. b) Converting everyone > to AV. > or, c) Staying with MI and learning to program for my particular needs > (kind of > a painful approach after selling the idea of purchasing AV). Mixing the > two > systems means purchasing data for both systems (primarily streets for > geocoding > or MapMarker updates with occassional ZIP boundary updates). > > To further cloud the process I find particularly favorible attributes in > each > package. And in fact lean towards continuing to use each as the particular > job > warrants. > > I assumed until just recently that a person used one or the other but not > necessarily both. Would you mind sharing your thoughts? > > I posed a similar question to Tony D. as he has experience with both > packages > and recieved a great reply . I'm not so interested in MI vs. AV now but in > whether using both in the same department is in fact not so uncommon. > > I apologize for the long winded question and will submit it to the list to > avoid > asking it again. > > Rob Glazier, Market Analyst > Aurora Health Care > Milwaukee, WI > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MI AND AV in the same office?
YES I believe all MI users who have had a opportunity t o work with AV can say that they both have advantages. Funny though MI has not picked up on that and made the changes that would help influence upgrade buyers. We use both as well and I wonder whether I am wasting my money on upgrades. MArlow Cornerstone GEOSystems Calgary AB - Original Message - From: Robert Glazier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Donna Glover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: MI AND AV in the same office? > > > Donna, > > May I ask why you find it necessary to use both AV and MI in your office? The > reason I ask is that I've been using MI Pro 5.0 for about 9 months but found > that I was being asked to run analyses that I wasn't capable of doing with out > of the box MI. These analyses involve patient accessibility to our provider > network i.e. how many providers are within how many miles of particular > patients. I looked for a cost effective extension for MI but couldn't find any > that met my needs and I have no experience programming (although I am trying to > pick it up). I was able however to get a good deal on an extension to AV that > did exactly what I needed (Patient Access). > > To make a long story short I am using MI Pro for 90% of my mapping and AV for > the other 10%. Note that we have 5 licenses for MI but I do 99% of the GIS work. > But, I've begun to wonder whether it makes sense to have both packages. It seems > like having Word and Wordperfect on the same machine. > > We will begin to assemble our wish lists for the 2001 budget soon and I've been > asked to outline our GIS needs. So, I'm struggling with: a) Keeping both > packages on my machine and MI on everyone else's. b) Converting everyone to AV. > or, c) Staying with MI and learning to program for my particular needs (kind of > a painful approach after selling the idea of purchasing AV). Mixing the two > systems means purchasing data for both systems (primarily streets for geocoding > or MapMarker updates with occassional ZIP boundary updates). > > To further cloud the process I find particularly favorible attributes in each > package. And in fact lean towards continuing to use each as the particular job > warrants. > > I assumed until just recently that a person used one or the other but not > necessarily both. Would you mind sharing your thoughts? > > I posed a similar question to Tony D. as he has experience with both packages > and recieved a great reply . I'm not so interested in MI vs. AV now but in > whether using both in the same department is in fact not so uncommon. > > I apologize for the long winded question and will submit it to the list to avoid > asking it again. > > Rob Glazier, Market Analyst > Aurora Health Care > Milwaukee, WI > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put > "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe from this list, send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe MAPINFO-L" in the message body, or contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
