Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[pcreso]

Bulk downloads are indeed discouraged, but setting up your own OSM database 
(imposm, osmosis, etc...) from downloaded OSM data, & creating a locally cached 
tileset from these data is supported, if not encouraged.

Brent Wood

--- On Thu, 3/8/12, thomas bonfort  wrote:

From: thomas bonfort 
Subject: Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS
To: "Paolo Corti" 
Cc: mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org
Date: Thursday, March 8, 2012, 4:43 AM

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 16:23, Paolo Corti  wrote:
>>
>> One of the mentioned constraints was offline usage...
>>
>
> yes, but it is possible to pre-generate the tiles, though not sure if
> this is feasible on just one server for the whole OSM dataset, but
> maybe for much simpler datasets would be the way to go
> P

By "pregenerate" I suppose you mean pre-download from the osm servers?
This in the general case is prohibited by osm's TOS :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy

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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Paolo Corti]

> By "pregenerate" I suppose you mean pre-download from the osm servers?
> This in the general case is prohibited by osm's TOS :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy

Yes, I am referring to the possibility to do the "seeding" of the
tiles, for example, referring to MapProxy, look at the mapproxy-seed
command [1].

Looking at the link you sent, the sentence "Bulk downloading is
strongly discouraged. Do not download tiles unnecessarily." seems to
prohibit this use case, so you are definitely right. Thought, this
would be seem prohibited just for zoom levels >= 17:

"In particular, downloading significant areas of tiles at zoom levels
17 and higher for offline or later usage is forbidden without prior
consultation with a System Administrator. These tiles are generally
not available (cached) on the server in advance, and have to be
rendered specifically for those requests, putting an unjustified
burden on the available resources.
To avoid having your access blocked, please discuss your requirement
with system administrators either via their wiki pages or on the IRC
channel prior to starting."

In any case, as supposed in my previous email, it is not feasible to
seed the whole OSM on common cases normal sized hardware (unless you
want just to display maps to low zoom levels): on the OSM own servers
they are not caching it for zoom levels >= 17 and I guess they have a
very large infrastructure.
But, could still be a viable approach for smaller datasets coming from
existing WMS that do not prohibit this kind of use.

thanks for pointing this out ;)
P


[1] http://mapproxy.org/docs/1.3.0/seed.html


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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[thomas bonfort]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 16:23, Paolo Corti  wrote:
>>
>> One of the mentioned constraints was offline usage...
>>
>
> yes, but it is possible to pre-generate the tiles, though not sure if
> this is feasible on just one server for the whole OSM dataset, but
> maybe for much simpler datasets would be the way to go
> P

By "pregenerate" I suppose you mean pre-download from the osm servers?
This in the general case is prohibited by osm's TOS :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy

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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Paolo Corti]

>
> One of the mentioned constraints was offline usage...
>

yes, but it is possible to pre-generate the tiles, though not sure if
this is feasible on just one server for the whole OSM dataset, but
maybe for much simpler datasets would be the way to go
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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[thomas bonfort]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 16:00, Paolo Corti  wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM, thomas bonfort
>  wrote:
>> Here http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/RenderingOsmDataUbuntu you
>> have detailed instructions for how to setup mapserver as a wms server
>> for openstreetmap imagery.
>> As the basemap rendering isn't specially light on server ressources I
>> would recommend using a tile cache and not expose the wms service
>> directly. Mapcache can assemble the cached tiles to serve complete wms
>> getmap requests should some of your clients not support tiled requests
>> (see http://www2.terriscope.fr/geocache/demo/wms for a possible
>> rendering style, you can select the "singletile" layer for untiled
>> getmap requests).
>
> for keeping things even much easier, and without the need to create a
> dedicated GIS infrastructure, I think Reinoud could just start caching
> the OSM service (for example with MapProxy, MapCache, GeoWebCache,
> TileCache, there is a wide choice).
> This should be compatible with the OSM license AFAIK.

One of the mentioned constraints was offline usage...

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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Paolo Corti]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM, thomas bonfort
 wrote:
> Here http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/RenderingOsmDataUbuntu you
> have detailed instructions for how to setup mapserver as a wms server
> for openstreetmap imagery.
> As the basemap rendering isn't specially light on server ressources I
> would recommend using a tile cache and not expose the wms service
> directly. Mapcache can assemble the cached tiles to serve complete wms
> getmap requests should some of your clients not support tiled requests
> (see http://www2.terriscope.fr/geocache/demo/wms for a possible
> rendering style, you can select the "singletile" layer for untiled
> getmap requests).

for keeping things even much easier, and without the need to create a
dedicated GIS infrastructure, I think Reinoud could just start caching
the OSM service (for example with MapProxy, MapCache, GeoWebCache,
TileCache, there is a wide choice).
This should be compatible with the OSM license AFAIK.

P

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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Reinoud Bokhorst]

Thank you. Yes, I was planning to use a tile cache for this service. I am not new to MapServer but 
have never used OSM or tile caching and am not particularly experienced in styling, so I have many 
questions now. But I'll first study the documentation in the answers!


On 03/07/2012 10:16 AM, thomas bonfort wrote:

Here http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/RenderingOsmDataUbuntu you
have detailed instructions for how to setup mapserver as a wms server
for openstreetmap imagery.
As the basemap rendering isn't specially light on server ressources I
would recommend using a tile cache and not expose the wms service
directly. Mapcache can assemble the cached tiles to serve complete wms
getmap requests should some of your clients not support tiled requests
(see http://www2.terriscope.fr/geocache/demo/wms for a possible
rendering style, you can select the "singletile" layer for untiled
getmap requests).

--
thomas

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 09:29, Reinoud Bokhorst
  wrote:

Dear list,

Until now I have been using the public Demis, Metacarta, Google Maps
services as base map providers in my WMS clients. Since our company creates
commercial services, I don't want to be dependent any longer on those
because:
- availability is never guaranteed
- can not use those off-line
- license restrictions a la Google Maps prohibits use for closed services

So I am keen to start hosting our own base map WMS server containing a good
resolution world map to start with. Later local maps for smaller areas can
be added. The world map should be something like Demis with layers
coastlines, borders, bathymetry, topography, place names, inland waters,
main roads and place names.

I could buy a WMS server including world map data, e.g. Demis or ArcIMS but
I don't really want that. We already use GeoServer and MapServer and would
rather add world map data. So I could:
1. buy world map data
2. create world map myself by assembling freely available data (gshhs,
etopo, vmap, srtm, ...).

I am afraid (2) will cost a lot of time. Regarding (1) I already found world
data for sale from DM Solutions and ThinkGeo, are there others? Which is
better?

There is surprisingly little information on the net about this issue, I
guess most people are either using public services or using commercial
packages.

My question is a general one: I wondered if anybody has encountered the same
problem and what solution has been chosen, what data sources when creating a
map yourself, other commercial data, what data is better than other, etc.
All comments welcome!

Reinoud Bokhorst





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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Reinoud Bokhorst]

Thank you for your answers.

@Edward: Thank you for that link, just what I needed. I have been looking at OSM before but it 
always seemed to be mainly about street maps with too many features and I never really found out how 
to use it.

In the link you provided I now also see decent topographic maps so I'll 
certainly give it a try!

@Andrea: Natural Earth indeed seems to be a good alternative to start with, 
thank you for that link.



On 03/07/2012 10:02 AM, Andrea Aime wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Edward Mac Gillavry > wrote:


Reinoud,

For this, I'd recommend going with OpenStreetMap data 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/). You can
either download the whole data set for the world yourself and start 
building, or you can take
mapping services from various suppliers. Check out 
http://www.switch2osm.org/ for further
information. You'll be in good company!


I've also seen people download and use OSM data in locations where no internet 
connection is available
(closed networks), they just downloaded the full OSM world file, imported it in postgis using osm 
in a box,

and then used the osm in a box styles to map it with GeoServer.

If the dataset is too big and you just need to do low scale cartography the "natural earth" 
dataset is also

quite good: http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/

Cheers
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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Rahkonen Jukka]

Hi,

A bit outdated but still super easy way for having a try on Windows
http://latuviitta.org/documents/Super_easy_WMS_server.pdf

Package is combined from MS4W and mapfiles by Thomas Bonfort. Package will be 
much better when everything is ready for updating it to contain super fast 
Spatialite support (exists already in GDAL trunk and seems to make Spatilite 
faster that PostGIS), preconfigured MapCache and georeferenced PDF output.

-Jukka Rahkonen-



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> Lähettäjä: mapserver-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org 
> [mailto:mapserver-users-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Puolesta 
> thomas bonfort
> Lähetetty: 7. maaliskuuta 2012 11:16
> Vastaanottaja: Reinoud Bokhorst
> Kopio: mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org
> Aihe: Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS
> 
> Here http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/RenderingOsmDataUbuntu you
> have detailed instructions for how to setup mapserver as a wms server
> for openstreetmap imagery.
> As the basemap rendering isn't specially light on server ressources I
> would recommend using a tile cache and not expose the wms service
> directly. Mapcache can assemble the cached tiles to serve complete wms
> getmap requests should some of your clients not support tiled requests
> (see http://www2.terriscope.fr/geocache/demo/wms for a possible
> rendering style, you can select the "singletile" layer for untiled
> getmap requests).
> 
> --
> thomas
> 
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 09:29, Reinoud Bokhorst
>  wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Until now I have been using the public Demis, Metacarta, Google Maps
> > services as base map providers in my WMS clients. Since our 
> company creates
> > commercial services, I don't want to be dependent any 
> longer on those
> > because:
> > - availability is never guaranteed
> > - can not use those off-line
> > - license restrictions a la Google Maps prohibits use for 
> closed services
> >
> > So I am keen to start hosting our own base map WMS server 
> containing a good
> > resolution world map to start with. Later local maps for 
> smaller areas can
> > be added. The world map should be something like Demis with layers
> > coastlines, borders, bathymetry, topography, place names, 
> inland waters,
> > main roads and place names.
> >
> > I could buy a WMS server including world map data, e.g. 
> Demis or ArcIMS but
> > I don't really want that. We already use GeoServer and 
> MapServer and would
> > rather add world map data. So I could:
> > 1. buy world map data
> > 2. create world map myself by assembling freely available 
> data (gshhs,
> > etopo, vmap, srtm, ...).
> >
> > I am afraid (2) will cost a lot of time. Regarding (1) I 
> already found world
> > data for sale from DM Solutions and ThinkGeo, are there 
> others? Which is
> > better?
> >
> > There is surprisingly little information on the net about 
> this issue, I
> > guess most people are either using public services or using 
> commercial
> > packages.
> >
> > My question is a general one: I wondered if anybody has 
> encountered the same
> > problem and what solution has been chosen, what data 
> sources when creating a
> > map yourself, other commercial data, what data is better 
> than other, etc.
> > All comments welcome!
> >
> > Reinoud Bokhorst
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[thomas bonfort]

Here http://trac.osgeo.org/mapserver/wiki/RenderingOsmDataUbuntu you
have detailed instructions for how to setup mapserver as a wms server
for openstreetmap imagery.
As the basemap rendering isn't specially light on server ressources I
would recommend using a tile cache and not expose the wms service
directly. Mapcache can assemble the cached tiles to serve complete wms
getmap requests should some of your clients not support tiled requests
(see http://www2.terriscope.fr/geocache/demo/wms for a possible
rendering style, you can select the "singletile" layer for untiled
getmap requests).

--
thomas

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 09:29, Reinoud Bokhorst
 wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> Until now I have been using the public Demis, Metacarta, Google Maps
> services as base map providers in my WMS clients. Since our company creates
> commercial services, I don't want to be dependent any longer on those
> because:
> - availability is never guaranteed
> - can not use those off-line
> - license restrictions a la Google Maps prohibits use for closed services
>
> So I am keen to start hosting our own base map WMS server containing a good
> resolution world map to start with. Later local maps for smaller areas can
> be added. The world map should be something like Demis with layers
> coastlines, borders, bathymetry, topography, place names, inland waters,
> main roads and place names.
>
> I could buy a WMS server including world map data, e.g. Demis or ArcIMS but
> I don't really want that. We already use GeoServer and MapServer and would
> rather add world map data. So I could:
> 1. buy world map data
> 2. create world map myself by assembling freely available data (gshhs,
> etopo, vmap, srtm, ...).
>
> I am afraid (2) will cost a lot of time. Regarding (1) I already found world
> data for sale from DM Solutions and ThinkGeo, are there others? Which is
> better?
>
> There is surprisingly little information on the net about this issue, I
> guess most people are either using public services or using commercial
> packages.
>
> My question is a general one: I wondered if anybody has encountered the same
> problem and what solution has been chosen, what data sources when creating a
> map yourself, other commercial data, what data is better than other, etc.
> All comments welcome!
>
> Reinoud Bokhorst
>
>
>
>
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Re: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Andrea Aime]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Edward Mac Gillavry <
emacgilla...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  Reinoud,
>
> For this, I'd recommend going with OpenStreetMap data (
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/). You can either download the whole data
> set for the world yourself and start building, or you can take mapping
> services from various suppliers. Check out http://www.switch2osm.org/ for
> further information. You'll be in good company!
>

I've also seen people download and use OSM data in locations where no
internet connection is available
(closed networks), they just downloaded the full OSM world file, imported
it in postgis using osm in a box,
and then used the osm in a box styles to map it with GeoServer.

If the dataset is too big and you just need to do low scale cartography the
"natural earth" dataset is also
quite good: http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/

Cheers
Andrea

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RE: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Edward Mac Gillavry]

Reinoud,

For this, I'd recommend going with OpenStreetMap data 
(http://www.openstreetmap.org/). You can either download the whole data set for 
the world yourself and start building, or you can take mapping services from 
various suppliers. Check out http://www.switch2osm.org/ for further 
information. You'll be in good company!

Kind regards,

Edward

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> From: reinoud.bokho...@bmtargoss.com
> To: mapserver-users@lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: [mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> Until now I have been using the public Demis, Metacarta, Google Maps services 
> as base map providers 
> in my WMS clients. Since our company creates commercial services, I don't 
> want to be dependent any 
> longer on those because:
> - availability is never guaranteed
> - can not use those off-line
> - license restrictions a la Google Maps prohibits use for closed services
> 
> So I am keen to start hosting our own base map WMS server containing a good 
> resolution world map to 
> start with. Later local maps for smaller areas can be added. The world map 
> should be something like 
> Demis with layers coastlines, borders, bathymetry, topography, place names, 
> inland waters, main 
> roads and place names.
> 
> I could buy a WMS server including world map data, e.g. Demis or ArcIMS but I 
> don't really want 
> that. We already use GeoServer and MapServer and would rather add world map 
> data. So I could:
> 1. buy world map data
> 2. create world map myself by assembling freely available data (gshhs, etopo, 
> vmap, srtm, ...).
> 
> I am afraid (2) will cost a lot of time. Regarding (1) I already found world 
> data for sale from DM 
> Solutions and ThinkGeo, are there others? Which is better?
> 
> There is surprisingly little information on the net about this issue, I guess 
> most people are either 
> using public services or using commercial packages.
> 
> My question is a general one: I wondered if anybody has encountered the same 
> problem and what 
> solution has been chosen, what data sources when creating a map yourself, 
> other commercial data, 
> what data is better than other, etc. All comments welcome!
> 
> Reinoud Bokhorst
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[mapserver-users] Base map data for WMS

[Reinoud Bokhorst]

Dear list,

Until now I have been using the public Demis, Metacarta, Google Maps services as base map providers 
in my WMS clients. Since our company creates commercial services, I don't want to be dependent any 
longer on those because:

- availability is never guaranteed
- can not use those off-line
- license restrictions a la Google Maps prohibits use for closed services

So I am keen to start hosting our own base map WMS server containing a good resolution world map to 
start with. Later local maps for smaller areas can be added. The world map should be something like 
Demis with layers coastlines, borders, bathymetry, topography, place names, inland waters, main 
roads and place names.


I could buy a WMS server including world map data, e.g. Demis or ArcIMS but I don't really want 
that. We already use GeoServer and MapServer and would rather add world map data. So I could:

1. buy world map data
2. create world map myself by assembling freely available data (gshhs, etopo, 
vmap, srtm, ...).

I am afraid (2) will cost a lot of time. Regarding (1) I already found world data for sale from DM 
Solutions and ThinkGeo, are there others? Which is better?


There is surprisingly little information on the net about this issue, I guess most people are either 
using public services or using commercial packages.


My question is a general one: I wondered if anybody has encountered the same problem and what 
solution has been chosen, what data sources when creating a map yourself, other commercial data, 
what data is better than other, etc. All comments welcome!


Reinoud Bokhorst





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