Re: [Maria-developers] parallel replication monitoring
Hi Kristian, Thanks for the explanation. Let me elaborate a bit about the questions: * how many workers are used: I know how many workers I have *enabled* by @@slave_parallel_threads. But how many are really used? I see in mysql.gtid_slave_pos that the number of rows grows and shrinks while the workers are replicating, but this does not give me any useful information on the effectiveness of the operations. Just to give you an idea, in Tungsten replication, I can see for every thread how many requests were processed. This can help me fine tuning the process, and add or remove threads to reach optimal performance. * which database they are running is important even if the parallel replication is not split by schema. As a DBA, I need to know at a glance where the action is occurring. SHOW PROCESSLIST gives me that information, but it doesn't tell me the GTID, which is the info that gives me the pulse of the replication progress. What bothers me is that I can get either the GTID list or where the action is happening. Having both in one place should not be difficult (a I_S or P_S view, for example). I see in MariaDB implementation some of the lack of integration that I have seen in MySQL 5.6. I hope to see better integration and more tools in the future. As it is now, parallel replication seems to be a very powerful engine with brake and steering wheel but with a blackened out dashboard. Makes for some adventurous driving! Cheers Giuseppe On November 15, 2013 at 08:49:29 , Kristian Nielsen (kniel...@knielsen-hq.org) wrote: Giuseppe Maxia g.ma...@gmail.com writes: I am looking for: * how many workers are used; The number of workers created is determined by the value of @@slave_parallel_threads. That many worker threads are in the replication worker thread pool, shared among all multi-source master connections. Workers are scheduled by the SQL threads dynamically, depending on what parallelism is available in the events being read from the relay logs at any given point in time. Workers for which there is currently no work available will appear as Waiting for work from SQL thread in SHOW PROCESSLIST. * what query they are running. I think this should appear in SHOW PROCESSLIST, same as for the SQL thread in non-parallel replication. * in which schema they are working; That is not really meaningful? A worker thread can be working in multiple schemas at the same time (multi-table update...). The parallel replication feature works like this: - On the master, binlog events are marked for whether they can be replicated in parallel. Two events can be replication in parallel if 1) their GTID events have the same group commit ID (cid=XXX in mysqlbinlog output), or 2) if their GTID has different replication domain (first number in the GTID=D-S-N tripple), and the slave is operating in GTID mode. - On the slave, the SQL thread reads events from the relay log, and dynamically schedules the same or a new worker to execute the events so read, depending on whether parallelism is possible or not. If the pool of threads is exhausted, the SQL thread waits for a worker thread to become idle. So unlike MySQL multi-threaded slave, worker threads in MariaDB have no identity. Any worker thread can potentially be scheduled to work on any event from any master connection. What can I use to see the status of parallel replication? Nowhere, really :-( The parallel replication feature has been basically rushed ruthlessly to release, with no time taken for any polish like this or other similar reasonable concerns... I did briefly think of what could be made available, but I did not come up with any immediate ideas. The scheduling of parallel replication work really is very dynamic in nature, just like any other application load. Maybe the performance schema or something like that could be used, but I am not familiar with how it works. Suggestions definitely welcome. Giuseppe, btw, thanks for once again taking the time to look and comment on my work! - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-developers] parallel replication monitoring
useful to have in I_S or P_S. I vote for I_S. P_S may be disabled by admin due to its memory and cpu overhead. -- Peter -- Webyog On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Kristian Nielsen kniel...@knielsen-hq.org wrote: Giuseppe Maxia g.ma...@gmail.com writes: * which database they are running is important even if the parallel replication is not split by schema. As a DBA, I need to know at a glance where the action is occurring. SHOW PROCESSLIST gives me that information, but it doesn't tell me the GTID, which is the info that gives me the pulse of the replication progress. What bothers me is that I can get either the GTID list or where the action is happening. Having both in one place should not be difficult (a I_S or P_S view, for example). Right, I think I see. So it could be useful to have in I_S or P_S a table that gives for each worker stuff like: - The GTID of the event group currently executing, or NULL if idle - Status (executing, waiting for prior transaction before starting, waiting for prior transaction before committing, stuff like that) - The current database (USE xxx) - Currently executing query - Whether this worker was scheduled in parallel with something else, and if so, why that was possible (group commit id or replication domain id) - Total number of events and event groups executed by worker thread - Possibly time spent idle, time spent executing, and time spent waiting for prior transactions to commit (if such times can be obtained without too high performance overhead). That is a nice input, thanks. Something like this would definitely be nice to have. I've put this into Jira: https://mariadb.atlassian.net/browse/MDEV-5296 On top of this, I think we could also add some statistics for the SQL thread. Like, how often did it have to wait for a worker to become free to schedule a potentially parallel transaction (might indicate a too-low --slave-parallel-threads). And how many transactions could / could not be scheduled in parallel (could indicate the need to tune the master to provide more parallelism in the binlog). What would be really nice is to have two numbers in SHOW SLAVE STATUS. One is the wall-clock time since START SLAVE. The other is the total time spent by workers on executing events for this master connection (excluding waiting for other replication threads). The ratio between these two numbers would immediately give an indication of how effective parallel replication is at utilising the machine, same as the cpu% numbers in the `top` Linux utility. I see in mysql.gtid_slave_pos that the number of rows grows and shrinks while the workers are replicating, but this does not give me any useful information on the effectiveness of the operations Agree, that is mostly useless information. All except the rows with maximal sub_id are justa garbage rows, the deletion of which has been delayed to avoid lock contention between transactions. I hope to see better integration and more tools in the future. As it is now, parallel replication seems to be a very powerful engine with brake and steering wheel but with a blackened out dashboard. Makes for some adventurous driving! Hehe, a very nice and succinct description ;-) Thanks, - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-developers] parallel replication monitoring
Kristian, Thanks for taking action with this issue. Another nice touch would be having the default value of slave_parallel_threads=1 instead of 0, and doing the right thing, as explained in this article: http://datacharmer.blogspot.it/2013/11/parallel-replication-off-by-one.html Cheers Giuseppe On November 15, 2013 at 11:20:36 , Kristian Nielsen (kniel...@knielsen-hq.org) wrote: Giuseppe Maxia g.ma...@gmail.com writes: * which database they are running is important even if the parallel replication is not split by schema. As a DBA, I need to know at a glance where the action is occurring. SHOW PROCESSLIST gives me that information, but it doesn't tell me the GTID, which is the info that gives me the pulse of the replication progress. What bothers me is that I can get either the GTID list or where the action is happening. Having both in one place should not be difficult (a I_S or P_S view, for example). Right, I think I see. So it could be useful to have in I_S or P_S a table that gives for each worker stuff like: - The GTID of the event group currently executing, or NULL if idle - Status (executing, waiting for prior transaction before starting, waiting for prior transaction before committing, stuff like that) - The current database (USE xxx) - Currently executing query - Whether this worker was scheduled in parallel with something else, and if so, why that was possible (group commit id or replication domain id) - Total number of events and event groups executed by worker thread - Possibly time spent idle, time spent executing, and time spent waiting for prior transactions to commit (if such times can be obtained without too high performance overhead). That is a nice input, thanks. Something like this would definitely be nice to have. I've put this into Jira: https://mariadb.atlassian.net/browse/MDEV-5296 On top of this, I think we could also add some statistics for the SQL thread. Like, how often did it have to wait for a worker to become free to schedule a potentially parallel transaction (might indicate a too-low --slave-parallel-threads). And how many transactions could / could not be scheduled in parallel (could indicate the need to tune the master to provide more parallelism in the binlog). What would be really nice is to have two numbers in SHOW SLAVE STATUS. One is the wall-clock time since START SLAVE. The other is the total time spent by workers on executing events for this master connection (excluding waiting for other replication threads). The ratio between these two numbers would immediately give an indication of how effective parallel replication is at utilising the machine, same as the cpu% numbers in the `top` Linux utility. I see in mysql.gtid_slave_pos that the number of rows grows and shrinks while the workers are replicating, but this does not give me any useful information on the effectiveness of the operations Agree, that is mostly useless information. All except the rows with maximal sub_id are justa garbage rows, the deletion of which has been delayed to avoid lock contention between transactions. I hope to see better integration and more tools in the future. As it is now, parallel replication seems to be a very powerful engine with brake and steering wheel but with a blackened out dashboard. Makes for some adventurous driving! Hehe, a very nice and succinct description ;-) Thanks, - Kristian. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Maria-developers] parallel replication monitoring
Hi, I think it makes sense to have it this way as its consistent with other options in MySQL/MariaDB which makes it easier to check/bench the overhead of a function. Its also usually noted on the documentation that using this parameter is not recommanded on a normal usecase (eg. https://mariadb.com/kb/en/segmented-key-cache/). Regards. On 15/11/2013 11:31, Giuseppe Maxia wrote: Kristian, Thanks for taking action with this issue. Another nice touch would be having the default value of slave_parallel_threads=1 instead of 0, and doing the right thing, as explained in this article: http://datacharmer.blogspot.it/2013/11/parallel-replication-off-by-one.html Cheers Giuseppe ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Maria-developers] parallel replication monitoring
What can I use to see the status of parallel replication? I am looking for: * how many workers are used; * in which schema they are working; * what query they are running. So far, I only see mysql.gtid_slave_pos and information_schema.processlist. Anything else available? Thanks in advance Giuseppe___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers Post to : maria-developers@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~maria-developers More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
