Re: Markdown development

2010-03-06 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* david parsons o...@pell.chi.il.us [2010-03-06 05:25]:
 In article 20100306020548.gb...@protagoras.phil.berkeley.edu,
 John MacFarlane  markdown-discuss@six.pairlist.net wrote:
 `` a```a ``
 
 should render as
 
 codea```a/code

 Now that's a defect all right. It looks like the reference
 matches any run of ticks, not just the one or two that I read
 from the standard.

According to the spec it *is* supposed to match any number of
ticks – but they are supposed to be the *same* number on both
ends.

Regards,
-- 
Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
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Re: Markdown development

2010-03-06 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Fletcher T. Penney fletc...@fletcherpenney.net [2010-03-06 00:00]:
 The point is that each of these variant forms of Markdown
 evolved to scratch someone's particular itch.

As indeed did Markdown himself. Once it scratched John’s own
itch well enough, he lost the compulsion to improve it. Which
I can relate to very well – a lot of my personal projects end up
this way.

The problem we are having is that by virtue of being the
principal designer of Markdown, he is also the only one with the
authority to set a direction and have all implementations
unilaterally follow it. Michel Fortin is probably the only one in
an at all comparable position.

Personally I find most extensions to Markdown lacking in that
ineffable spirit that ties Markdown together. But I’m pretty
sure that the designers of these extensions disagree, and would
in turn find my proposals lacking.

And if that is the case, then I’d be even less likely to want
anything that any likely committee would cook up.

This is why the fact that Gruber himself no longer participates
causes a problem for everyone else who is invested in Markdown:
there is no longer a central voice.

But Gruber created what he did, and shared it, and he marketed it
(and very successfully, as we all are proof of) for what it was.
That no one else has had the same success in pushing their own
evolution of the format does not oblige Gruber to anything.

If Markdown is to evolve, this is the problem that needs to be
solved: it needs a principal designer with a good enough sense
for its spirit and enough of a voice to gain the authority to
have his or her mandates followed.

Regards,
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Re: Markdown development

2010-03-06 Thread Michel Fortin
Le 2010-03-06 à 11:56, Aristotle Pagaltzis a écrit :

 If Markdown is to evolve, this is the problem that needs to be
 solved: it needs a principal designer with a good enough sense
 for its spirit and enough of a voice to gain the authority to
 have his or her mandates followed.

I'm of the same opinion, although I'll say the problem goes a little deeper.

Personally, I see little to be gained by improving Markdown. This applies to 
myself, but probably to John Gruber too. There's not much more recognition I 
can get by improving PHP Markdown and very little money to make with it.

I'm still answering my emails about PHP Markdown, giving tips to whoever needs 
them, and I'm fixing bugs from time to time. But all this I do by charity: I 
don't gain anything personally or professionally by doing it except perhaps the 
goodwill of a few people. That could change if I were to return to web 
development, but right now I'm working on other things to pay the bills. I 
think John is in a similar situation.

Is there anyone interested in sponsoring Markdown development? I think you 
first need a solution to this problem if you want to have a lead designer.

-- 
Michel Fortin
michel.for...@michelf.com
http://michelf.com/



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Media type for markdown?

2010-03-06 Thread Dietrich Epp
I think it's about time that markdown had its own IANA media type.   
Markdown is mature enough and there are plenty of implementations.  I  
suggest text/markdown.


Here's a list of currently registered text subtypes: 
http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/text/

What are your thoughts?

--Dietrich Epp
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