[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Google Calendar wiki extension and International TDF/LibreOffice Google Calendar
FYI: The calendar is really made up of 2 Google Calendars, you can see this by clicking on the "down-arrow" next to the word "Agenda". You can turn calendars "on" or "off" with this filter function. So far the admins with all rights to the 2 calendars are myself and Florian Effenberger. Thanks Florian for being the TDF presence on the calendars. Both of us can then assign other admins with editing rights for the calendars. Cheers, Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Google Calendar wiki extension and International TDF/LibreOffice Google Calendar
Hi Heinz, Le 2012-05-02 10:10, Heinz W. Simoneit a écrit : thanks for this! For D (A) have a look at [2]. I had added the dates on another events "Europe" calendar[1]. The events are the same but there seems to be contact information there. Is it the same person filling in the events? The only ones I did not add are the ones without dates yet. Let me know if I should add more information. Cheers, Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
On 05/02/2012 03:14 PM, Robert Ryley wrote: The features mentioned in the press release are very interesting. I know some professional groups that would be interested in some of these. Great work! - Calc performance improvements; - Lightproof improvements; - collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy; - a Microsoft Publisher import filter; Publisher importing, well that is the last MSO file format that there was no ability to deal with. Well, it will be nice to deal with these file again while using Ubuntu. - a signed PDF export; - a smartphone remote control; - a new UI for picking templates; - a Java based GUI for an Android viewer; Is this the first step in getting a version to work under the Android OS, or just some other thing? - an improved Impress SVG export filter; - tooling for more and better tests. LibreOffice 3.5.3 is available for immediate download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Change logs are available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC1 and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC2. Short link to The Document Foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-h4 -- Italo Vignoli - Director phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
The features mentioned in the press release are very interesting. I know some professional groups that would be interested in some of these. Great work! > - Calc performance improvements; > - Lightproof improvements; > - collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy; > - a Microsoft Publisher import filter; > - a signed PDF export; > - a smartphone remote control; > - a new UI for picking templates; > - a Java based GUI for an Android viewer; > - an improved Impress SVG export filter; > - tooling for more and better tests. > LibreOffice 3.5.3 is available for immediate download from the following > link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. > > Change logs are available at > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC1 and > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC2. > > Short link to The Document Foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-h4 > > -- > Italo Vignoli - Director > phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli > email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org > The Document Foundation > Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany > Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts > Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable?
Hi :) Yes, the 3.4.6 does seem a lot better for people that want stability. Why do we have 2 branches being developed alongside each other? Why bother with any of the versions of the older branch after the new branch has started? Is it just a waste of devs time? Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 17:30 Stable is a relative question. Here is the question I would ask. . . . Would you recommend 3.4.6 or 3.5.3 for business users? That may be the question we should ask. I would not recommend 3.5.2 for business users. Now that 3.5.3 just came out, there will be some time to see how it works out. I thing we need to do more "marketing" thought to what we would tell business users when we are asked which version of LO they should use for their first time trying LO for their needs. I tell them 3.4.6, for now. That is the one I use and can honestly tell them that. There is a bug list linked to the 3.5.x release info page that state the most annoying bugs/issues that that line has. I would love to see some "wording" on that list stating if the bug/issue has been fixed and which version it was fixed in. THEN, I would know if my "show-stopper" bug/issues are fixed or not. There were several in the Writer section that stops me from using LO 3.5.1 or 3.5.2. I hope they will be fixed soon. So, the "stable" word needs to be replaced with some other word/words. LO is having issues with some XP/pro users, as the User List shows. So it is stable for that user? NO. But it works fine with my XP/pro laptop. We need to give more information than just one word. Now could there be some page, that is very easy to find, that states which version is recommended for new Business users of LO, and which version is the best for the users who are willing to try out the newest version[s] for putting it through its paces. You do not want Business users to use a brand new version that is being tested out, BEYOND the RC stage. We find issues with each version after it is released that we would not want a Business user to go through. We use to tell businesses that the later 3.3.x version were the ones we would recommend they try, while other were testing out the early 3.4.x versions. Now the download page leads you to the newest version and it is not "as easy as it should be" to download a different version of LO if the most "cutting edge" [as it use to be called] was not what you wanted to deal with. But the download page "recommends" that newest version for "all users" as it seems to state. We need to make it more friendly for NEW Business users to know which version of LO they should download to test for their business needs. So there are a lot of things we need to talk about instead of if it is "stable". Stable is not a good word to use. On 05/02/2012 11:12 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 12-05-02 07:31 AM, Tom Davies wrote: >> Hi :) >> Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding > rather than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. >> Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try > the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. >> Regards from >> Tom :) >> > I've been using 3.5.x since it's been available and installing/upgrading > quite a few users with it without any single major problem since. > > The mailing list is really not a good indication of where the most > issues / frequent problems are. The mailing list is usually where the > hardest corner cases end up, as it takes an additional knowledge of how > to even post here to ask about them. That's my personal experience, > which is also not an absolute measure of this. > > The bottom line is, unless you have a extensive survey and number to > back any claims like that, please don't spread assumption based on the > very few, English-only problems you're a witness of. > > Cheers, > > Fabian Rodriguez > http://libeoffice.magicfab.ca > > > > - -- - -- > Fabián Rodríguez > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk+hTtgACgkQfUcTXFrypNUdeACgyRyLlWkT2zY5XYNfTloP7jxv > gAsAn2TJsnwH9gH/5eMdJ130rh+WJWpv > =yqNu > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Prob
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable?
Stable is a relative question. Here is the question I would ask. . . . Would you recommend 3.4.6 or 3.5.3 for business users? That may be the question we should ask. I would not recommend 3.5.2 for business users. Now that 3.5.3 just came out, there will be some time to see how it works out. I thing we need to do more "marketing" thought to what we would tell business users when we are asked which version of LO they should use for their first time trying LO for their needs. I tell them 3.4.6, for now. That is the one I use and can honestly tell them that. There is a bug list linked to the 3.5.x release info page that state the most annoying bugs/issues that that line has. I would love to see some "wording" on that list stating if the bug/issue has been fixed and which version it was fixed in. THEN, I would know if my "show-stopper" bug/issues are fixed or not. There were several in the Writer section that stops me from using LO 3.5.1 or 3.5.2. I hope they will be fixed soon. So, the "stable" word needs to be replaced with some other word/words. LO is having issues with some XP/pro users, as the User List shows. So it is stable for that user? NO. But it works fine with my XP/pro laptop. We need to give more information than just one word. Now could there be some page, that is very easy to find, that states which version is recommended for new Business users of LO, and which version is the best for the users who are willing to try out the newest version[s] for putting it through its paces. You do not want Business users to use a brand new version that is being tested out, BEYOND the RC stage. We find issues with each version after it is released that we would not want a Business user to go through. We use to tell businesses that the later 3.3.x version were the ones we would recommend they try, while other were testing out the early 3.4.x versions. Now the download page leads you to the newest version and it is not "as easy as it should be" to download a different version of LO if the most "cutting edge" [as it use to be called] was not what you wanted to deal with. But the download page "recommends" that newest version for "all users" as it seems to state. We need to make it more friendly for NEW Business users to know which version of LO they should download to test for their business needs. So there are a lot of things we need to talk about instead of if it is "stable". Stable is not a good word to use. On 05/02/2012 11:12 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-05-02 07:31 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding rather than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. Regards from Tom :) I've been using 3.5.x since it's been available and installing/upgrading quite a few users with it without any single major problem since. The mailing list is really not a good indication of where the most issues / frequent problems are. The mailing list is usually where the hardest corner cases end up, as it takes an additional knowledge of how to even post here to ask about them. That's my personal experience, which is also not an absolute measure of this. The bottom line is, unless you have a extensive survey and number to back any claims like that, please don't spread assumption based on the very few, English-only problems you're a witness of. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libeoffice.magicfab.ca - -- - -- Fabián Rodríguez -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hTtgACgkQfUcTXFrypNUdeACgyRyLlWkT2zY5XYNfTloP7jxv gAsAn2TJsnwH9gH/5eMdJ130rh+WJWpv =yqNu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 3.5.3 article
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-05-02 11:07 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > > I've written an article about the new LibreOffice release: > À l'occasion de la sortie de la nouvelle version de LibreOffice j'ai > préparé ce billet: > > http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/?p=4786 I forgot to mention, this is (for now) the first article in Planet Ubuntu: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hUdEACgkQfUcTXFrypNUz2wCfaBox97dUkYj7w3mF1U3WLNQH uekAmwWJo500uK3ZCjV3fHw7FMziyAru =QOEO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 3.5.3 article
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've written an article about the new LibreOffice release: À l'occasion de la sortie de la nouvelle version de LibreOffice j'ai préparé ce billet: http://www.fabianrodriguez.com/blog/?p=4786 Remember the LibreOffice PPA for Ubuntu can be used directly in Trisquel 5.5. Prenez note que le PPA de LibreOffice pour Ubuntu peut être utilisé directement dans Trisquel 5.5. Bonne journée, Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hTaoACgkQfUcTXFrypNULCQCgmuQpPsOcEe+U2ph/YnhlfCre Gw0AoOhW8Zix8T+pYqXeQrlgPbo5Kn9u =Vcbr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-05-02 07:31 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding rather than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. > > Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. > > Regards from > Tom :) > I've been using 3.5.x since it's been available and installing/upgrading quite a few users with it without any single major problem since. The mailing list is really not a good indication of where the most issues / frequent problems are. The mailing list is usually where the hardest corner cases end up, as it takes an additional knowledge of how to even post here to ask about them. That's my personal experience, which is also not an absolute measure of this. The bottom line is, unless you have a extensive survey and number to back any claims like that, please don't spread assumption based on the very few, English-only problems you're a witness of. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez http://libeoffice.magicfab.ca - -- - -- Fabián Rodríguez -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+hTtgACgkQfUcTXFrypNUdeACgyRyLlWkT2zY5XYNfTloP7jxv gAsAn2TJsnwH9gH/5eMdJ130rh+WJWpv =yqNu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Collateral Scheme
On 2 May 2012, at 09:27, Florian Effenberger wrote: > Hi Simon, > > thanks for your proposal! Since I am - as usual :) - swamped with work, I > cannot help much, but: > > Simon Phipps wrote on 2012-05-01 01:19: > >> * Is there an upcoming event we can set as a goal so we have a target (lat >> May-early June)? > > Maybe LinuxTag, starting May 23rd, but that might be too soon. Sounds worth trying. Who would be our geek-on-the-ground for that event? > >> * Board: Will you give this scheme your agreement please? > > Sounds good for me! > > Just one remark: The stores you mentioned IMHO keep a lot of money in their > pockets, so it might be cheaper to seek for alternatives, when we "buy for > ourselves". But I have no real experience here... They are not the cheapest approach to bulk production, but their convenience for very short runs of the kind I'm anticipating here probably outweighs that disadvantage. Once the more formal approach Marc has explained gets established I'm sure we'll optimise for volume. S. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Google Calendar wiki extension and International TDF/LibreOffice Google Calendar
Hi Marc, * Am 02.05.2012 15:49, schrieb Marc Paré: The Google Calendar wiki extension was recently installed on the wiki and a LibreOffice International Calendar was created both for testing and usage. You can find the calendar on this wiki page[1]. I've input some of the upcoming date into the calendar. Let me know of any other dates and I will put these in. thanks for this! For D (A) have a look at [2]. While I don't think there is a need at this point for many admins, it would be nice if there were 5-6 people available to admin the calendar. I don't think it will require too much time to maintain the calendar. It really only needs the input of data and, if you are familiar with the workings of Google Calendar, then, there is no "learning curve". Note that you have to have a Google Account to admin the calendar. I am also going to test a version for the main website but need to check on a couple of technical points, but this means that we would only need to input data once and have it appear both on the wiki and website at the same time. Comments are welcome. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar [2]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/de Best, Heinz -- Have a nice time! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Google Calendar wiki extension and International TDF/LibreOffice Google Calendar
The Google Calendar wiki extension was recently installed on the wiki and a LibreOffice International Calendar was created both for testing and usage. You can find the calendar on this wiki page[1]. I've input some of the upcoming date into the calendar. Let me know of any other dates and I will put these in. While I don't think there is a need at this point for many admins, it would be nice if there were 5-6 people available to admin the calendar. I don't think it will require too much time to maintain the calendar. It really only needs the input of data and, if you are familiar with the workings of Google Calendar, then, there is no "learning curve". Note that you have to have a Google Account to admin the calendar. I am also going to test a version for the main website but need to check on a couple of technical points, but this means that we would only need to input data once and have it appear both on the wiki and website at the same time. Comments are welcome. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Servus Charles :-) Am 02.05.2012 14:07, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: > What else do you think a mailing list for users is designed > for if not for bug reports? Of course, it can be used for bug reports. However, I think, it´s primarily meant for all kind of user´s questions, that do not necessarily result from a bug. I guess this has nothing to do with Tom´s statement, which I simply do not understand... ;-) Enjoy the sun! Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:31) Try following the Users List. I do and I take notice. Suggestions / questions I posted before to be specific on assumptions, have been without result. So FUD indeed. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
2012/5/2 Tom Davies > Hi :) > That is not the problem. Of course nothing is 100% perfect and a lot of > the work that people do is to make things better. > > > We currently have 1 release that does seem to be excellent and very > stable, the 3.4.6. > > The 3.5.x is not as stable as the 3.4.6 (from what we see on the User > List) but does have an advantage in having significantly more > functionality, a better look, more features and is generally just a lot > sexier. > > Each new branch seems to introduce a ton of new features and additional > functionality. This sometimes seems to add regressions or creates problems > that were not there in previous releases. As the branch matures the > instabilities settle down. > > In sales&marketing it would seem obvious that it is better to sell a > product based on it's advantages NOT on wishful thinking. > Wishful thinking? Users complaints ? How familiar are you with software development? What else do you think a mailing list for users is designed for if not for bug reports? Thanks, Charles. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Charles-H. Schulz < > charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org> wrote: > > From: Charles-H. Schulz > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The > Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:47 > > Tom, > > When we release versions it means that we're trying to improve the software > anyway. But because it is software, please understand that there will > always be bugs. Even if we release a 3.5.19, it will still be buggy. That's > the nature of software. So if by any chance you have the impression that > developers do not care about bugs or that we will reach one day a point > where we release something without bugs, you are quite misguided. This > being said, if you have bugs, or know people who have specific bugs I > encourage you and them to file bug reports, as that is something helpful. > > Best, > Charles. > > 2012/5/2 Tom Davies > > > Hi :) > > Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding > rather > > than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. > > > > Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the > > 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. > > > > Regards from > > Tom :) > > > > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: > > > > From: Cor Nouws > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The > > Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 > > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:24 > > > > Hi :-( > > Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20) > > > Hi :) > > > Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable > > than 3.4.6? > > > > Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ? > > > > -- - Cor > > - http://nl.libreoffice.org > > > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Hi :) That is not the problem. Of course nothing is 100% perfect and a lot of the work that people do is to make things better. We currently have 1 release that does seem to be excellent and very stable, the 3.4.6. The 3.5.x is not as stable as the 3.4.6 (from what we see on the User List) but does have an advantage in having significantly more functionality, a better look, more features and is generally just a lot sexier. Each new branch seems to introduce a ton of new features and additional functionality. This sometimes seems to add regressions or creates problems that were not there in previous releases. As the branch matures the instabilities settle down. In sales&marketing it would seem obvious that it is better to sell a product based on it's advantages NOT on wishful thinking. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: From: Charles-H. Schulz Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:47 Tom, When we release versions it means that we're trying to improve the software anyway. But because it is software, please understand that there will always be bugs. Even if we release a 3.5.19, it will still be buggy. That's the nature of software. So if by any chance you have the impression that developers do not care about bugs or that we will reach one day a point where we release something without bugs, you are quite misguided. This being said, if you have bugs, or know people who have specific bugs I encourage you and them to file bug reports, as that is something helpful. Best, Charles. 2012/5/2 Tom Davies > Hi :) > Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding rather > than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. > > Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the > 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: > > From: Cor Nouws > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The > Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:24 > > Hi :-( > Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20) > > Hi :) > > Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable > than 3.4.6? > > Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ? > > -- - Cor > - http://nl.libreoffice.org > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] "upgrading" to 3.5.x created problems Fw: [libreoffice-users] Templates Disappeared
This is the marketing list, and it does not make any sense to post messages about bugs and regressions. Tom Davies wrote: > Another example where there was no problem with previous releases -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Tom, When we release versions it means that we're trying to improve the software anyway. But because it is software, please understand that there will always be bugs. Even if we release a 3.5.19, it will still be buggy. That's the nature of software. So if by any chance you have the impression that developers do not care about bugs or that we will reach one day a point where we release something without bugs, you are quite misguided. This being said, if you have bugs, or know people who have specific bugs I encourage you and them to file bug reports, as that is something helpful. Best, Charles. 2012/5/2 Tom Davies > Hi :) > Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding rather > than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. > > Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the > 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: > > From: Cor Nouws > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The > Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:24 > > Hi :-( > Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20) > > Hi :) > > Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable > than 3.4.6? > > Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ? > > -- - Cor > - http://nl.libreoffice.org > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall?
Tom, I'd like to quickly jump in here, perhap opening a new thread if necessary. I am not part of the Membership Committee, and therefore my suggestion should not be taken as anything authoritative. If you do what you have written below (helping people on users mailing lists and forums) then it means that your contribution is documented, and therefore you're eligible for membership. I thought I'd point it out of fairness and out of information as I feel many people do not know or are not aware of their eligibility. -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-Founder & Director, The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint 2012/5/2 Tom Davies > Hi :) > While editing the previous email an error crept in. Near the end i said > "we hard workers" but i only answer tons of questions and help hundreds of > people gain confidence in solving their problems and obviously that doesn't > count as work. Anyway i don't feel i belong in any group that needs to > break through the barriers (such as the glass ceiling) although i guess > some people would say otherwise. I meant to say "our" or "your" hard > workers. > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Tom Davies wrote: > > From: Tom Davies > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall? > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 11:09 > > Hi :) > How a person looks can raise barriers. > > Everyone is biased against one group or another. People that claim they > are not are either unaware or trying fool themselves or trying to fool > other people. In some countries there are laws to prevent certain groups > being treated unfairly. However those countries still find an imbalance > sometimes given names such as "the glass ceiling". Communicating by email > ostensibly reduces some of those barriers as we cannot hear each others > accents nor see skin colour and are not distracted by how physically > attractive (or not) others might be. Subconciously we guess and judge > based on chosen usernames, topics and ways of writing. One big problem is > that using computers at all takes a high level of education and in many > countries (including the one i live in) that creates a > hidden bias due to the nature of our education systems. > > We should take notice that although there were a few founders that > were/are female none of those have stood for election. All BoD members are > white, well educated and male. Luckily there seems to be some diversity in > ethnicity or at least in the countries people come from. > > While we strive (at least i think we do) for equality and give people > equal opportunity to get involved it doesn't look like we care about > diversity at all. Some of the disparity could be resolved if we existing > ling-term hard-workers felt confident about standing for positions of > authority. > > I worry that by moving to video we would increase the accidental disparity > but we obviously need to do something different and maybe communicating by > video might make us more aware of the lack of diversity. > > Regards from > Tom :) > > > --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor > Nouws wrote: > > From: Cor Nouws > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall? > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 9:34 > > Florian Effenberger wrote (02-05-12 10:25) > > >> And many people only know each other a little. > >> - So a clear agenda helps: topics + description + what is expected in > >> the call (collection or discussing or making a choice). > > > > Yes, indeed, that's something that was simply missing for April's call, > > due to the lack of time, and I am sure this contributed to the lack of > > interest. > > Yep - preparation ... > > >> - And then that the call is done so that it is easy to have a good > >> discussion and so more. But > often this already is difficult when people > >> meet, so without seeing each other ... > > > > So, you are proposing video meetings, or adding pictures to the wiki so > > we "see" each other? > > Communication is not only the voice, also where, how a person looks etc > etc. > Video would help, but raise the technical barrier incredibly. > So a clear agenda, possibly input from participants before the meeting and > guiding the meeting will help. This is a specific task, for which someone > needs to bring in time and experience. > > > -- - Cor > - http://nl.libreoffice.org > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+
[libreoffice-marketing] "upgrading" to 3.5.x created problems Fw: [libreoffice-users] Templates Disappeared
Hi :) Another example where there was no problem with previous releases Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Keith Bates wrote: From: Keith Bates Subject: [libreoffice-users] Templates Disappeared To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 2:16 With the new release of Ubuntu last week I received a new release of LO 3.5.2.2 For some reason, my templates are no longer accessible. The files are present in a folder that is referenced in the "Tools-Options-Paths" - all unchanged since the previous version of 3.4. When I try to access the templates through the organise templates feature, there are no templates. I also get an error message "templates already exists"- presumably a reference to the folder templates rather than really bad English. This error message also comes up when I open an existing document. When I try to start a new document using a template I get this message: "Error creating a new document; templates already exists." I've checked paths and permissions and I can't see what is wrong. -- God bless you Keith Bates Narrabri NSW Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] "upgrading" to 3.5.x caused problems here Fw: [libreoffice-users] Re: Legacy Base reports won't open in LibreOffice 3.5
Hi :) Here is the latest thread where the problem didn't exist in previous releases. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, David Mitchell wrote: From: David Mitchell Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Legacy Base reports won't open in LibreOffice 3.5 To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:23 I had exactly same problem after upgrading to Ubuntu 12.04 with LibreOffice 3.5. Suggested solution to add "Sorting" control worked perfectly. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Legacy-Base-reports-won-t-open-in-LibreOffice-3-5-tp3916293p3954900.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Hi :) Try following the Users List. Listen to what the users are finding rather than trying to impose your or the devs opinion. Most of the questions on the list are solved by asking people to try the 3.4.6 instead of the 3.5.whatever. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: From: Cor Nouws Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:24 Hi :-( Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20) > Hi :) > Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than > 3.4.6? Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Hi :-( Tom Davies wrote (02-05-12 13:20) Hi :) Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than 3.4.6? Is there any proof for this, or again FUD ? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] stable? Re: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3
Hi :) Does this "additional stability" mean that it's still far less stable than 3.4.6? Are we still going to see large numbers of people give up on LO because they are pushed into using the least stable? Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Italo Vignoli wrote: From: Italo Vignoli Subject: [tdf-announce] The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3 To: "TDF Announce" Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 12:03 Record number of new contributors + 10 Google Summer of Code projects Berlin, May 2, 2012 - The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 3.5.3, the fourth version of the 3.5 family. LibreOffice 3.5.3 provides additional stability to corporate and individual users of the best free office suite ever. "In April 2012, 34 new developers contributed code to The Document Foundation, the largest number since January 2011 [Source: http://www.ohloh.net]. Eight of them have already committed more than once, thanks to the help of an extremely welcoming community, where old developers spend a portion of their time mentoring new ones to bring them up to speed," comments Norbert Thiebaud, a volunteer developer active since September 28, 2010. "In less than two years, we have been able to build an authentically diverse community, where full time and volunteer developers coexist and help each other, as it should happen in every free software project." Ten of the new developers are Google Summer of Code 2012 students, who will work at developing the following features: - Calc performance improvements; - Lightproof improvements; - collaborative spreadsheet editing using Telepathy; - a Microsoft Publisher import filter; - a signed PDF export; - a smartphone remote control; - a new UI for picking templates; - a Java based GUI for an Android viewer; - an improved Impress SVG export filter; - tooling for more and better tests. LibreOffice 3.5.3 is available for immediate download from the following link: http://www.libreoffice.org/download/. Change logs are available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC1 and http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.5.3/RC2. Short link to The Document Foundation blog: http://wp.me/p1byPE-h4 -- Italo Vignoli - Director phone +39.348.5653829 - skype italovignoli email italo.vign...@documentfoundation.org The Document Foundation Zimmerstraße 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal Details: www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to announce+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall?
Hi :) While editing the previous email an error crept in. Near the end i said "we hard workers" but i only answer tons of questions and help hundreds of people gain confidence in solving their problems and obviously that doesn't count as work. Anyway i don't feel i belong in any group that needs to break through the barriers (such as the glass ceiling) although i guess some people would say otherwise. I meant to say "our" or "your" hard workers. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Tom Davies wrote: From: Tom Davies Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall? To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 11:09 Hi :) How a person looks can raise barriers. Everyone is biased against one group or another. People that claim they are not are either unaware or trying fool themselves or trying to fool other people. In some countries there are laws to prevent certain groups being treated unfairly. However those countries still find an imbalance sometimes given names such as "the glass ceiling". Communicating by email ostensibly reduces some of those barriers as we cannot hear each others accents nor see skin colour and are not distracted by how physically attractive (or not) others might be. Subconciously we guess and judge based on chosen usernames, topics and ways of writing. One big problem is that using computers at all takes a high level of education and in many countries (including the one i live in) that creates a hidden bias due to the nature of our education systems. We should take notice that although there were a few founders that were/are female none of those have stood for election. All BoD members are white, well educated and male. Luckily there seems to be some diversity in ethnicity or at least in the countries people come from. While we strive (at least i think we do) for equality and give people equal opportunity to get involved it doesn't look like we care about diversity at all. Some of the disparity could be resolved if we existing ling-term hard-workers felt confident about standing for positions of authority. I worry that by moving to video we would increase the accidental disparity but we obviously need to do something different and maybe communicating by video might make us more aware of the lack of diversity. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: From: Cor Nouws Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall? To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 9:34 Florian Effenberger wrote (02-05-12 10:25) >> And many people only know each other a little. >> - So a clear agenda helps: topics + description + what is expected in >> the call (collection or discussing or making a choice). > > Yes, indeed, that's something that was simply missing for April's call, > due to the lack of time, and I am sure this contributed to the lack of > interest. Yep - preparation ... >> - And then that the call is done so that it is easy to have a good >> discussion and so more. But often this already is difficult when people >> meet, so without seeing each other ... > > So, you are proposing video meetings, or adding pictures to the wiki so > we "see" each other? Communication is not only the voice, also where, how a person looks etc etc. Video would help, but raise the technical barrier incredibly. So a clear agenda, possibly input from participants before the meeting and guiding the meeting will help. This is a specific task, for which someone needs to bring in time and experience. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall?
Hi :) How a person looks can raise barriers. Everyone is biased against one group or another. People that claim they are not are either unaware or trying fool themselves or trying to fool other people. In some countries there are laws to prevent certain groups being treated unfairly. However those countries still find an imbalance sometimes given names such as "the glass ceiling". Communicating by email ostensibly reduces some of those barriers as we cannot hear each others accents nor see skin colour and are not distracted by how physically attractive (or not) others might be. Subconciously we guess and judge based on chosen usernames, topics and ways of writing. One big problem is that using computers at all takes a high level of education and in many countries (including the one i live in) that creates a hidden bias due to the nature of our education systems. We should take notice that although there were a few founders that were/are female none of those have stood for election. All BoD members are white, well educated and male. Luckily there seems to be some diversity in ethnicity or at least in the countries people come from. While we strive (at least i think we do) for equality and give people equal opportunity to get involved it doesn't look like we care about diversity at all. Some of the disparity could be resolved if we existing ling-term hard-workers felt confident about standing for positions of authority. I worry that by moving to video we would increase the accidental disparity but we obviously need to do something different and maybe communicating by video might make us more aware of the lack of diversity. Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 2/5/12, Cor Nouws wrote: From: Cor Nouws Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall? To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 2 May, 2012, 9:34 Florian Effenberger wrote (02-05-12 10:25) >> And many people only know each other a little. >> - So a clear agenda helps: topics + description + what is expected in >> the call (collection or discussing or making a choice). > > Yes, indeed, that's something that was simply missing for April's call, > due to the lack of time, and I am sure this contributed to the lack of > interest. Yep - preparation ... >> - And then that the call is done so that it is easy to have a good >> discussion and so more. But often this already is difficult when people >> meet, so without seeing each other ... > > So, you are proposing video meetings, or adding pictures to the wiki so > we "see" each other? Communication is not only the voice, also where, how a person looks etc etc. Video would help, but raise the technical barrier incredibly. So a clear agenda, possibly input from participants before the meeting and guiding the meeting will help. This is a specific task, for which someone needs to bring in time and experience. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall?
Florian Effenberger wrote (02-05-12 10:25) And many people only know each other a little. - So a clear agenda helps: topics + description + what is expected in the call (collection or discussing or making a choice). Yes, indeed, that's something that was simply missing for April's call, due to the lack of time, and I am sure this contributed to the lack of interest. Yep - preparation ... - And then that the call is done so that it is easy to have a good discussion and so more. But often this already is difficult when people meet, so without seeing each other ... So, you are proposing video meetings, or adding pictures to the wiki so we "see" each other? Communication is not only the voice, also where, how a person looks etc etc. Video would help, but raise the technical barrier incredibly. So a clear agenda, possibly input from participants before the meeting and guiding the meeting will help. This is a specific task, for which someone needs to bring in time and experience. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Collateral Scheme
Hi Simon, thanks for your proposal! Since I am - as usual :) - swamped with work, I cannot help much, but: Simon Phipps wrote on 2012-05-01 01:19: * Is there an upcoming event we can set as a goal so we have a target (lat May-early June)? Maybe LinuxTag, starting May 23rd, but that might be too soon. * Board: Will you give this scheme your agreement please? Sounds good for me! Just one remark: The stores you mentioned IMHO keep a lot of money in their pockets, so it might be cheaper to seek for alternatives, when we "buy for ourselves". But I have no real experience here... Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Cancelling the confcall?
Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-04-30 00:56: A conference call - with often not so good quality lines - is not easy. about the quality, based on my experience, this heavily depends on people's equipment. Not all, but most errors are due to hands-free phones or bad lines on the dialler's side. However, my feeling tells me that phone lines are more reliable than PC-based solutions, so using Skype, Google Hangout and such would IMHO create more problems than it solves. I am open for tests, of course. My question is specifically why people do not want to join, so if anyone else has problems with the phone quality, please let us know. Otherwise, I don't count it in as a reason for not joining. :) And many people only know each other a little. - So a clear agenda helps: topics + description + what is expected in the call (collection or discussing or making a choice). Yes, indeed, that's something that was simply missing for April's call, due to the lack of time, and I am sure this contributed to the lack of interest. - And then that the call is done so that it is easy to have a good discussion and so more. But often this already is difficult when people meet, so without seeing each other ... So, you are proposing video meetings, or adding pictures to the wiki so we "see" each other? - And then when people want to say something, that they start with mentioning their name ... +1 - If it is for discussing random ideas, the participants should submit those on the wiki before the meeting. +1 Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
