Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
Folks I would really avoid to compare such a delicate matter as licences unless you are a lawyer. And even then that's not marketing but rather legal advice. Thanks, Charles. Jay Lozier a écrit : >On 12/31/2012 02:40 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> In the marketing materials that I am writing covering LO vs AOO, I >was >> wondering if it would be relevant to go into an explanation about why >the >> GPL/LGPL licence used by LO was superior to the ASL as a "true open >source". >> >> I found this great document that explains the three "most common" >licences: >> ASL, GPL and LGPL (MPL is not included) (1, 2) >> >> Any thoughts on how relevant it would be to extract some of the >information >> and apply it on the materials? >> >> >> Cheers and Happy New Year >> >> Immanuel >> >> (1) >> >http://www.openlogic.com/Portals/172122/docs/understanding-the-three-most-common-open-source-licenses.pdf >> (2) http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/10518967 >> >Reviewing the Openlogic information I think we should compare the >GPL/LGPL with the typical proprietary license not the ASL. The >differences between the ASL and GPL/LGPL while important are, IMHO, >more >a matter of degree than kind. Both are intended to be user friendly and > >allow user modifications and access to the source code that the typical > >proprietary license does not allow. > >Comparing GPL/LGPL to a proprietary license > >1. GPL gives users complete access to the source code. This allows >users >to compile the code for another platform, modify the code, or extend >the >code as they see fit. Proprietary code does not allow any access to the > >source code. > >2. GPL license implies the unrestricted installation of the program >without cost to the user. Proprietary licenses have varying >restrictions >on the number of allowed installations. > >3. FOSS projects have free, unlimited user support from dedicated users > >with some form of question and answer interaction between the user and >responder(s). Some projects also have commercial support available. >Proprietary software often does not have free user forums or user lists > >where anyone can ask a question and get answers. Typically, proprietary > >software offers knowledge base articles and paid support. > >4. Most GPL licensed projects promote contributions from all interested > >individuals. This community, often worldwide, brings a broader >perspective to the project even if the actual code development is done >by relatively few individuals. Proprietary projects can have problems >with gaining a sufficiently broad perspective because the developers >are >more isolated from the end users during development. > >-- >Jay Lozier >jsloz...@gmail.com > > >-- >Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to >marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
On 12/31/2012 02:40 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Hello all, In the marketing materials that I am writing covering LO vs AOO, I was wondering if it would be relevant to go into an explanation about why the GPL/LGPL licence used by LO was superior to the ASL as a "true open source". I found this great document that explains the three "most common" licences: ASL, GPL and LGPL (MPL is not included) (1, 2) Any thoughts on how relevant it would be to extract some of the information and apply it on the materials? Cheers and Happy New Year Immanuel (1) http://www.openlogic.com/Portals/172122/docs/understanding-the-three-most-common-open-source-licenses.pdf (2) http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/10518967 Reviewing the Openlogic information I think we should compare the GPL/LGPL with the typical proprietary license not the ASL. The differences between the ASL and GPL/LGPL while important are, IMHO, more a matter of degree than kind. Both are intended to be user friendly and allow user modifications and access to the source code that the typical proprietary license does not allow. Comparing GPL/LGPL to a proprietary license 1. GPL gives users complete access to the source code. This allows users to compile the code for another platform, modify the code, or extend the code as they see fit. Proprietary code does not allow any access to the source code. 2. GPL license implies the unrestricted installation of the program without cost to the user. Proprietary licenses have varying restrictions on the number of allowed installations. 3. FOSS projects have free, unlimited user support from dedicated users with some form of question and answer interaction between the user and responder(s). Some projects also have commercial support available. Proprietary software often does not have free user forums or user lists where anyone can ask a question and get answers. Typically, proprietary software offers knowledge base articles and paid support. 4. Most GPL licensed projects promote contributions from all interested individuals. This community, often worldwide, brings a broader perspective to the project even if the actual code development is done by relatively few individuals. Proprietary projects can have problems with gaining a sufficiently broad perspective because the developers are more isolated from the end users during development. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice and OpenERP
Hello all, I got in touch with Fabrice Henrion (Director of Business Development Americas at OpenERP) via LinkedIn, and here was his response to two points the mailing list raised previously 1- Intentions to have an integration with LibreOffice? > We don't intend to work on a LibreOffice integration because we will > prefer to invest in a new report engine that will be more usable, more > integrated, allows drill-down, is embedded in the interface, etc... > However, I have read in the past certain people were able to get > LibreOffice to work with OpenERP 6; I didn't try it myself. 2- How to connect OpenERP with LibreOffice in v7? > You should install the module base_report_designer and follow the steps > explained during the installation. Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Targeting LO4 at MSO 2003 users
Hello all, With only six weeks before the release, I was wondering if there was a marketing plan/strategy in place (or to be discussed at the Jan. marketing call) for targeting current MSO 2003 users with WinXP and Vista. Cheers, Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
Hello all, In the marketing materials that I am writing covering LO vs AOO, I was wondering if it would be relevant to go into an explanation about why the GPL/LGPL licence used by LO was superior to the ASL as a "true open source". I found this great document that explains the three "most common" licences: ASL, GPL and LGPL (MPL is not included) (1, 2) Any thoughts on how relevant it would be to extract some of the information and apply it on the materials? Cheers and Happy New Year Immanuel (1) http://www.openlogic.com/Portals/172122/docs/understanding-the-three-most-common-open-source-licenses.pdf (2) http://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/embed_code/10518967 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12-12-31 09:32 AM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: > In the new version of Office 2013, you will be able to: > >> *3. Edit PDF documents in Word 2013:* You can open a PDF in Word, and its >> paragraphs, lists, tables, and other content act just like Word content. >> You can make changes to the file as per your requirements and save it back >> again as a PDF document. (1) >> > > Will LO4 Writer be able to do that? > > > > (1) > http://www.pc-tablet.com/11858-microsoft-office-2013-release-date-coming-10-features-office-2013/#xUK5qHZBSPEUjsZe.99 > You can very much open any PDF in LibreOffice Draw and edit it / export again to PDF. More importantly (and efficiently), LibO Writer can export to PDF *including the source ODT* in the the PDF for re-editing. I don't believe it's enabled by default though: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1356970061.png IMO including the source of the document in the PDF file is better. AFAIK Word 2013 will convert, then let you edit the converted document (a current feature in LibO Draw): http://winsupersite.com/article/office/whats-coming-microsoft-word-15-142595 Fabian Rodriguez http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDhub0ACgkQfUcTXFrypNVtUACgyR2pbaldL2McHx2WCEsELObu /2oAmweScbDPZ8FddXkI53coOoj7zjaT =wViF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
On 12/31/2012 09:32 AM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: In the new version of Office 2013, you will be able to: *3. Edit PDF documents in Word 2013:* You can open a PDF in Word, and its paragraphs, lists, tables, and other content act just like Word content. You can make changes to the file as per your requirements and save it back again as a PDF document. (1) Will LO4 Writer be able to do that? (1) http://www.pc-tablet.com/11858-microsoft-office-2013-release-date-coming-10-features-office-2013/#xUK5qHZBSPEUjsZe.99 Testing LO 4.0 Beta 2 - PDF files are opened directly into Draw and can be edited there. This is the same as before. Writer can export to PDF and one of the options is to embed an odt version with the PDF to allowing editing with Writer. From the article I think Word-2013 is directly opening the PDF files but the author is unclear about this point. A couple of points about direct editing PDF files. One PDF files are intend to be stand alone documents for users to read and if allowed enter data in specific fields. Direct editing of the PDF files is by users is not intended or desirable. This tends to undermine the idea that PDF documents are reference only documents because most end users can not edit them. If one can edit easily the source document such as an ODT file in Write and Export/Save/Print as a PDF file the real functionality exists for the creator to revise the PDF file as needed. The latter has been available in LO/AOO for sometime now. With an embedded ODT file, any user with LO can edit the PDF file. I think the need of the creator to modify the source document is met by the LO export feature. IMHO users do not need the ability to modify PDF files except in some extremely rare circumstances. I have never modified a PDF file that I received or downloaded or needed to modify the these files. I only have ever needed to modify the PDF files I created, which I can do in LO already. Looking at the list the author gave IMHO I do not see any feature that is a must have. I see many that are nice-to-have but are not going to make me want to buy MSO 2013. IMHO this is a problem of any office suite (LO/AOO/MSO/etc.) that new features are almost always nice-to-have at best for users but not something that will make them eagerly buy or download the latest version. Since LO and AOO are free, it is easier for me to justify upgrading; it only takes a few minutes of my time to upgrade which can be done at my convenience. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
In the new version of Office 2013, you will be able to: > *3. Edit PDF documents in Word 2013:* You can open a PDF in Word, and its > paragraphs, lists, tables, and other content act just like Word content. > You can make changes to the file as per your requirements and save it back > again as a PDF document. (1) > Will LO4 Writer be able to do that? (1) http://www.pc-tablet.com/11858-microsoft-office-2013-release-date-coming-10-features-office-2013/#xUK5qHZBSPEUjsZe.99 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
On 12/31/2012 12:46 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Immanuel, Le 2012-12-30 08:44, Immanuel Giulea a écrit : Hi Marc and all, On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Marc Paré wrote: I think Immanuel has offered to lead on this. I can help with setting up the page. I like the good arguments on this thread. We have to make sure that we are as factual as possible. MS will capitalize on any claims that we make that are not factual, so we have to watch carefully over our claims. Immanuel, let me know if you need any help with the wiki page. Cheers, Marc I am happy to help in any way I can. If you could be kind enough to run me through the 101 of wiki page creation, I can get started. I've only edited 1 or 2 wiki pages in my life. Immanuel I can see you already have an account and started the page[1]. You can find "most frequently used types of wiki markup" on the wikimedia site and from there, there are links on the bottom of that page with more markup help pages.[2] To begin with, I would type in the information/data and then format/beautify the page once all or most of the information is on the page. I also often cruise the wiki to see pages that have been formatted a particular way that I like and then view the markup text to see if I could adapt the text to the page(s) I am working on. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Selling_points_MSO [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing What I do, when I work on text for a Wiki page, is type the unformatted text in Writer so I can get all of the spelling [and such] correct. Then when the text part is correct, I copy/paste it into the text box/window of the editing process of the Wiki page. There are other ways of doing things. Also, I have taken the "formatting characters" for the Wiki page and added it to the text while in Writer. Sometimes it is easier that way. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Hi Tom, Tom Davies wrote (30-12-12 23:24) I think contacting people in different countries just "shows off" how widespread TDF and LO are geographically, especially if Cor can mention a Montreal connection. Thanks for your positive suggestion. I'll just do it. And of course hope that Immanual will mention the Dutch LibreOffice connection too ;-) Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] new years wishes
Wishing you all the best for 2013: love, joy, happiness, inspiration for your work and fun in building and sharing good things in life. Cor -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - www.librelex.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
