Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Filipe Gomes Morgado 
Hi Mike,

> "(...) I think it's fair to call it a successor project (...)"
If you think so, I agree :) (y)
After all it`s just a word, heritor, successor, or whatever.
Everybody understands ...
Sometimes I'm nitpicking. And "If you spent less time nitpicking, you'd get
more work done.".

Cheers,

Filipe Gomes Morgado *is using:*


On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 10:41, Ravi Dwivedi  wrote:

>  > Try submitting a bug report to Microsoft. They want you to pay like
>  > (US)$40 for the privilege. Contrast this with LO and other free software
>  > projects, where one can log into a bug tracker, submit the report, and
>  > hear back from the developers without even touching one's wallet or
>  > keying in a credit card number.
>  >
>  > Yes, someone has to pay for development but simply submitting a bug
>  > report shouldn't cost money on top of what one paid for the
>  > (proprietary) software, which in theory is being sold/licensed per
>  > "seat" primarily to cover the cost of support.
>  >
>  > In theory, yes, MS can plagiarize the bug tracker model LO uses.
>  > Honestly, given it's already quite tedious and odious to deal with bugs
>  > in MS software, I wish they would.
>
> I would say that the main issue is that you cannot fix the bug yourself
> and that also means you cannot hire someone to fix it and it is not a
> matter of how easy it is to submit a bug report. MS Office is a nonfree
> software which users do not control.
>
> Let's think of ways on how to emphasize that. The day Microsoft makes it
> easy to submit a bug report, it does not make it acceptable for me to
> use MS Office.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Ravi Dwivedi 

> Try submitting a bug report to Microsoft. They want you to pay like
> (US)$40 for the privilege. Contrast this with LO and other free software
> projects, where one can log into a bug tracker, submit the report, and
> hear back from the developers without even touching one's wallet or
> keying in a credit card number.
>
> Yes, someone has to pay for development but simply submitting a bug
> report shouldn't cost money on top of what one paid for the
> (proprietary) software, which in theory is being sold/licensed per
> "seat" primarily to cover the cost of support.
>
> In theory, yes, MS can plagiarize the bug tracker model LO uses.
> Honestly, given it's already quite tedious and odious to deal with bugs
> in MS software, I wish they would.

I would say that the main issue is that you cannot fix the bug yourself 
and that also means you cannot hire someone to fix it and it is not a 
matter of how easy it is to submit a bug report. MS Office is a nonfree 
software which users do not control.


Let's think of ways on how to emphasize that. The day Microsoft makes it 
easy to submit a bug report, it does not make it acceptable for me to 
use MS Office.


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Shawn K. Quinn 
On 11/29/21 10:00, Nigel Verity wrote:
> A feature table is great for providing an "at a glance" list of what LO does 
> that MS Office doesn't. It has the unfortunate side-effect, though, of 
> providing a list of features for MS to build into the requirements for their 
> next version of Office, thereby nullifying that difference.
> 
> There are other aspects which are less easy for MS to plagiarise, however.

Try submitting a bug report to Microsoft. They want you to pay like
(US)$40 for the privilege. Contrast this with LO and other free software
projects, where one can log into a bug tracker, submit the report, and
hear back from the developers without even touching one's wallet or
keying in a credit card number.

Yes, someone has to pay for development but simply submitting a bug
report shouldn't cost money on top of what one paid for the
(proprietary) software, which in theory is being sold/licensed per
"seat" primarily to cover the cost of support.

In theory, yes, MS can plagiarize the bug tracker model LO uses.
Honestly, given it's already quite tedious and odious to deal with bugs
in MS software, I wish they would.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Mike Saunders 

Hi Nige,

On 29.11.21 17:00, Nigel Verity wrote:
>
A feature table is great for providing an "at a glance" list of what LO 
does that MS Office doesn't. It has the unfortunate side-effect, though, 
of providing a list of features for MS to build into the requirements 
for their next version of Office, thereby nullifying that difference.


Interesting point, although if Microsoft really wanted to do that, they 
could get way more info here:


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office

There are other aspects which are less easy for MS to plagiarise, 
however. Try contacting Microsoft to ask for a new feature to be 
implemented and see how far you get either (a) contacting the person who 
makes such decisions or (b) succeeding in having your request actioned. 
Compare that with LO where, in principle at least, you could implement 
that feature yourself, or canvas other users for support to get it 
implemented.


Yes, I think this is something we could really emphasise in such a table 
on the website! We'd need some quick and clear way of showing how anyone 
can get involved and make things happen, maybe linking to a blog 
interview of someone who "scratched their own itch" and achieved 
something, without going through a large corporate structure as you 
mention...


Cheers,
Mike

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

2021-11-30 Thread Mike Saunders 

Hi Filipe,

On 29.11.21 17:44, Filipe Gomes Morgado wrote:
 >"(...) how LibreOffice is by far the most actively developed successor 
to the OpenOffice.org project."


I think successor is a very strong word to refer to someone who still has:
/6 October 2021:/
Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.11 
 (1)


There are still minor patch updates, but no new features since Apache 
OpenOffice's last major release, 4.1, back in April 2014. Since then, 
virtually all development has been on LibreOffice (17,443 code commits 
last year in LO, vs 429 in AOO). LibreOffice has .docx/.xlsx export, 
extra security options and many other things that AOO is missing, that 
users find extremely useful.


https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/02/19/10-great-libreoffice-only-features/

So on that basis, with virtually all development happening in LO since 
2014, I think it's fair to call it a successor project to the 
OpenOffice.org codebase.


Mike

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