Re: [libreoffice-marketing] June Marketing Call

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Hi All,

I did some preparation work on the subject "guerrilla marketing" for the
meeting this afternoon and made it public on Google Drive 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K4p3HKZ7BQNL8AqupyAwfPyD-1scST7Q/view?usp=share_link

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On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 5:21 PM Italo Vignoli  wrote:

> Finding a time suitable for everyone look really difficult.
>
> So, two different slots:
>
> Monday 17 at 5PM CEST (Berlin)
>
> Wednesday 19 at 9PM CEST (Berlin)
>
> Room: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/marketingmeeting
>
> Agenda
>
> 1. Getting ready for LibreOffice 24.8 upcoming announcement
> 2. How to better position the two different available versions
> 3. Getting ready for a guerrilla marketing campaign after summer
> 4. Update about Microsoft Aptos font
> 5. Suggestions from volunteers about new marketing activities
>
> Looking forward to meeting you all, Italo
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice download page: updating the text

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Hi Mike,

Would be an improvement, indeed.

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On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 2:52 PM Mike Saunders <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Check out the two boxes on the download page, for (currently) the
> LibreOffice 24.2 and 7.6 branches:
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download-libreoffice/
>
> We've heard from users on social media and at our info@ and download@
> addresses that they're confused which version to choose, or believe the
> 24.2 branch isn't stable etc. Obviously both branches are stable (in the
> sense that they don't change radically, and only receive bug and
> security fixes -- no new features in the middle of the branch).
>
> So let's look at updating the text for clarity! My initial suggestion:
>
>
> Newer branch (currently 24.2): The very latest version, with lots of new
> features and improvements.
>
> Older branch (currently 7.6): Our previous release, which we are still
> supporting. For business deployments, we strongly recommend getting
> long-term supported versions from our ecosystem.
>
>
> What do you think? Bear in mind that we want to keep the text short and
> snappy here!
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] New video: LibreOffice general promo

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Much better indeed.

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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 3:39 PM Mike Saunders <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> Since 2016, this has been our general "This is LibreOffice" promotional
> video:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KC0ZdcA6s8
>
> It's quite old now, so I think we should create a newer (and shorter)
> one. This is my idea so far -- unlisted, so please don't share beyond
> this group!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R5x5uzRUAA
>
> All feedback welcome. Of course, if anyone with video editing skills
> wants to help out with improvements, that would be even better :-)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing campaign/infographic idea: Freeing schools from proprietary software

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Hi Mike and all,

In fact, I believe this is good news.
Apparently, Microsoft really sees us as a threat. This looks like
desperation marketing from Microsoft.
We also could make education material for schools, together with other data
privacy minded open source initiatives. Maybe we can get subsidized by the
EU for that.

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Op di 26 mrt 2024 om 11:09 schreef Mike Saunders <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> On Twitter (I mean, "X") someone posted about their school requiring
> students to use Microsoft Office. Even worse, the school has a quiz for
> new students where they are asked what software they can use, and
> LibreOffice is an option, but the "correct" answer is Microsoft Office.
> Here's the thread:
>
> https://twitter.com/WarlockN1ck/status/1771748533038911601
>
> And for those who don't want to use "X", a screenshot:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/nvxTvAm.png
>
> So what can we do about this? My idea is a short infographic that we can
> post in response to such things, pointing out the benefits of FOSS
> (especially with regards to data privacy) and how it's important for
> students to have choice in the tools they use, and the value of learning
> other tools.
>
> Ideas and mockups very welcome :-)
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice 24.2 "New Features" video script for translations

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Super! Let's spread it all over the social network space.

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Op wo 31 jan 2024 om 13:58 schreef Mike Saunders <
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> Hi everyone,
>
> We've made a video showing a few of the new features in LibreOffice 24.2:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9pMn4cffs
>
> The text for the subtitles is on the wiki, so if anyone wants to
> translate, we can add more languages:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/24.2_New_Features_Script
>
> Thanks a lot in advance! :-)
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[libreoffice-marketing] Trustworthy AI Funding Principles. Something to take notice off.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] How to increase donations for LibreOffice

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Very informative. Thank you.
Maybe it is good to publish an annual finicial report on the website?

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Op wo 17 jan 2024 om 17:11 schreef Gorjan Lakaliski <
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> We should start with Cost-volume-profit analysis. With Cost-volume-profit
> analysis, we can determine how many donations we need for LibreOffice to
> breakeven and how many donations we need to reach a target donation amount.
>
> We start by dividing costs by fixed and variable costs:
>
> LibreOffice Fixed Costs 2022:
>
> Legal Advice $50,736.31
> Infrastructure, Hosting, VMs, Cloud, Domains $59,082.43
> Insurances, Fees $4,640.58
> Accounting, Tax and Legal Advice $33,992.64
> Fees for Banking and Money Transfer $67,319.98
> Running Costs, Fees, Contributions $31,210.62
> Depreciation/Investments $2,796.22
> Total Fixed Costs $239,988.11
>
> LibreOffice Variable Costs 2022:
>
> Developer Conference $56,454.94
> Marketing/Community Projects $20,363.67
> Student Project $11,871.93
> Promotion of Projects and Organizations $4,064.41
> Test Procedures for Quality Assurance $12,943.99
> Improved Implementation of Complete Character Sets $12,519.91
> Implementation of SmartArt $48,054.55
> Cost Employees/Freelancers $674,898.44
> Total Project Costs $217,009.71
> Total Other Expenses $196,246.25
> Total Variable Costs $1,253,339.30
>
>
> Formulas for Breakeven:
>
>  Number of One Time Donations  = Total Costs / One Time Donation
>  Number of Monthly Donations = Total Costs / (Monthly Donation * 12)
>  Number of Quarterly Donations = Total Costs / (Quarterly Donation * 4)
>  Number of Yearly Donations = Total Costs / Yearly Donation
>
> Given the default donation options on LibreOffice's donation form:
>
> One time donation $29.00
> Monthly donation $5.00
> Quarterly donation $15.00
> Yearly donation $39.00
>
> To breakeven, we need
> 51494 donations to breakeven with a one time donation of $29.
> 24889 donations to breakeven with monthly donations of $5.
> 24889 donations to breakeven with quarterly donations of $15.
> 38290 donations to breakeven with yearly donations of $39.
>
> With Cost-Volume-Profit Analysis, we can determine how many donations we
> need to reach a target donation amount.
>
> We need to determine our Variable cost per unit. Variable cost per unit =
> Total Variable Costs/Total Number of Donations. We can use historical data
> to determine total number of donations. Or we can also use What if
> Analysis, such as Goal Seek.
>
> We need to determine how much a given donation can cover LibreOffice's
> fixed costs with Contribution Margin per Unit. Once the fixed costs are
> covered, any additional contribution margin increases income for brand
> awareness.
>
> Contribution Margin per Unit = Donation Amount − Variable Cost per Unit
>
> Next, we can determine the BreakEven Volume =  Total Fixed
> Costs/Contribution Margin per Unit.
>
> Last but not least, we determine our Target Donation Volume or the amount
> of donations we need to collect to reach our Target Donation Amount. Target
> Donation Volume = Total Fixed Costs + Target Profit /
> Contribution Margin per Unit.
>
> LibreOffice's Donation is a combination of the Pay What You Want Pricing
> Model and Pay What You Can.
>
> 3 Ways We Can Increase Donations
>
> We can ask users for a donation after users have downloaded and used
> LibreOffice. It reduces buyer remorse that can occur from asking a payment
> before using a piece of software.
>
> What we can learn from research studies
>
> "Another PWYW (Pay What You Want Pricing Model) experiment looked at
> determinants for the price chosen by consumers of the application iProduct,
> which provided tutorials and lessons for potential application developers
> on the App Store (iOS). The application was offered as free with in-app
> purchases, including a gratuity mechanism that allowed users to 

[libreoffice-marketing] The need for an Open Source character in character sets like (R)(c)

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Dear all,

We should set things in motion to get an "open source" character in the
Unicode character set. Just like © character. I know this will be long
processes. But if you don't start it, you never get it. It should be based
on the open source software logo, I think.


[image: afbeelding.png]


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Moving to LibreOffice 8?

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Dear all,

Is it an option to stick to 7 as long as there are no major changes? And
for clear communication, stop using the 5.1 etc. and replace is with 23
(for the year) and .1 (for the release in the year). Starting with no
additional number.
So 7.23 and then if there is a second release in 2023 7.23.1 and so on.
Development can then stick to proper version control. And for the user, it
is easier where he/she is. (in sync or not).

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Op ma 27 mrt 2023 om 19:37 schreef Italo Vignoli :

> Moving to LibreOffice 8 (instead of 7.6) makes sense for marketing
> purposes, as media is looking at LibreOffice as the real innovator in
> the open source office suite market, and the feeling of journalists is
> that we are forever stuck at 7.x.
>
> We all know that the next version will not include any significant
> innovation which can justify the change of version, apart from the new
> build system for Windows and the availability of LibreOffice for Arm
> processors on Windows (which has not been announced).
>
> Playing with the number 8, which can be rotated 90° to become the
> "infinite" symbol, we can frame the next version as LibreOffice for an
> infinite number of users, as we cover all hardware platforms and all
> operating systems for personal productivity.
>
> This is my opinion. If the community wants to stick with 7.6, I won't
> insist. I have received enough insults both public and private for the
> marketing plan, and I am still receiving them from a few people, that I
> am not willing to enter into that process again (even if the decision on
> the "community" tag has not been mine, but it looks like people have a
> very short memory).
>
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Call March 2022

[Clocked Modular]

Thanks Italo,

I have other appointments and can not attend.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
 or* RCS
 *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
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is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier

gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
-account of RCS
 gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op wo 23 mrt. 2022 om 11:12 schreef Italo Vignoli :

> Tomorrow there will be a marketing call at 3PM CET (2PM UTC).
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Availability of slide decks for presentations
> 2. Availability of an index for training videos
> 3. Marketing activities during spring months
> 4. Questions & Answers
>
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>
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/marketing
>
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[libreoffice-marketing] 2022

[Clocked Modular]

All the best for 2022. A nice number. Let's hope it will bring luck.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
 or* RCS
 *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier

gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
-account of RCS
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chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.

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Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

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Interesting. Thanks.

Met vriendelijke groet,
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Boudi van Vlijmen.

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not known with us, you can use the web contact form
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If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
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is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 10:58 schreef Ravi Dwivedi :

> On 30/12/21 12:18 pm, Clocked Modular wrote:
> > Ravi,
> >
> > You are right about signal being a centralized service.
> > Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for
> > Signal?
>
> Yes it is encrypted. See https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0384.html.
> Android clients of Jabber encrypt messages by default. Quicksy encrypts
> messages by default too.
>
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Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

[Clocked Modular]

The Gnome community.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 07:56 schreef Clocked Modular :

> By the way,
>
> Gnome uses Rocket.chat.
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> With kind regards,
> Boudi van Vlijmen.
>
> *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
> we will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and
> are not known with us, you can use the web contact form
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
> If you are known with us you can use our signal account
> <https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or
> we share an cloud environment.*
> ===
> Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
> is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u
> contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
> contactformulier
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
> gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
> <https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om
> te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.
>
>
> Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 07:48 schreef Clocked Modular :
>
>> Ravi,
>>
>> You are right about signal being a centralized service.
>> Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for
>> Signal?
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>> With kind regards,
>> Boudi van Vlijmen.
>>
>> *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
>> we will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and
>> are not known with us, you can use the web contact form
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
>> If you are known with us you can use our signal account
>> <https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or
>> we share an cloud environment.*
>> ===
>> Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
>> is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u
>> contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
>> contactformulier
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
>> gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
>> <https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om
>> te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.
>>
>>
>> Op wo 29 dec. 2021 om 21:30 schreef Ravi Dwivedi :
>>
>>> On 28/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocked Modular wrote:
>>>
>>>  > I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We
>>>  > should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the
>>> old
>>>  > dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are.
>>>
>>> You are recommending integrating something which is centralized and in
>>> control of one single entity(Signal) rather than something which is
>>> decentralized and federated(email).
>>>
>>> We can integrate matrix/xmpp/IRC chats rather than Signal. As far as the
>>> matter of convenience or registering via phone numbe

Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

[Clocked Modular]

By the way,

Gnome uses Rocket.chat.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op do 30 dec. 2021 om 07:48 schreef Clocked Modular :

> Ravi,
>
> You are right about signal being a centralized service.
> Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for
> Signal?
>
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> With kind regards,
> Boudi van Vlijmen.
>
> *Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol
> we will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and
> are not known with us, you can use the web contact form
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
> If you are known with us you can use our signal account
> <https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or
> we share an cloud environment.*
> ===
> Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
> is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u
> contact met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
> contactformulier
> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
> gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
> <https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om
> te chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.
>
>
> Op wo 29 dec. 2021 om 21:30 schreef Ravi Dwivedi :
>
>> On 28/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocked Modular wrote:
>>
>>  > I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We
>>  > should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the
>> old
>>  > dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are.
>>
>> You are recommending integrating something which is centralized and in
>> control of one single entity(Signal) rather than something which is
>> decentralized and federated(email).
>>
>> We can integrate matrix/xmpp/IRC chats rather than Signal. As far as the
>> matter of convenience or registering via phone number is concerned,
>> Quicksy https://quicksy.im/ can be used which is a part of XMPP family.
>> People who want convenience can use Quicksy and register via phone
>> number, while others like me who don't want to register via phone number
>> can register on another xmpp service(or they can have their own server)
>> and still talk to Quicksy users.
>>
>> Signal maybe good for now but we cannot guarantee it will continue to be
>> as good. It is effectively a lock-in, which is a problem of
>> centralization. In future if the Signal service gets compromised(like
>> change of the owner of the company might change their values or they
>> might change something about Signal that you do not agree with), nobody
>> bothers to switch.
>>
>> Quicksy is a brilliant hack which offers both convenience and freedom.
>>
>> --
>> Ravi Dwivedi
>> https://ravidwivedi.in/
>> GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc
>>
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[Clocked Modular]

Ravi,

You are right about signal being a centralized service.
Is Jabber encrypted? Is there a federated and encrypted alternative for
Signal?

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op wo 29 dec. 2021 om 21:30 schreef Ravi Dwivedi :

> On 28/12/21 3:32 pm, Clocked Modular wrote:
>
>  > I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We
>  > should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the
> old
>  > dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are.
>
> You are recommending integrating something which is centralized and in
> control of one single entity(Signal) rather than something which is
> decentralized and federated(email).
>
> We can integrate matrix/xmpp/IRC chats rather than Signal. As far as the
> matter of convenience or registering via phone number is concerned,
> Quicksy https://quicksy.im/ can be used which is a part of XMPP family.
> People who want convenience can use Quicksy and register via phone
> number, while others like me who don't want to register via phone number
> can register on another xmpp service(or they can have their own server)
> and still talk to Quicksy users.
>
> Signal maybe good for now but we cannot guarantee it will continue to be
> as good. It is effectively a lock-in, which is a problem of
> centralization. In future if the Signal service gets compromised(like
> change of the owner of the company might change their values or they
> might change something about Signal that you do not agree with), nobody
> bothers to switch.
>
> Quicksy is a brilliant hack which offers both convenience and freedom.
>
> --
> Ravi Dwivedi
> https://ravidwivedi.in/
> GPG Keys-> https://ravidwivedi.in/files/ravidwivedi.asc
>
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[Clocked Modular]

Hi All,

I've worked in multinationals and for governments in Europe and the US. I
know how email dependent they are.
But I've also worked with Taiwan and Korean business. And 20 years ago
already they were moving to mobile.
Also, outside the old stile corporate and gov bubbles, most communication
today is done without email. And in some cases even already without domain
names.

Still, email is big, I agree. But it is clearly not the future. The main
reason being that the protocol was developed in a different technological
reality (no mobile, no internet). All attempts to adapt the protocol to
modern needs fail time and time again. And there are obvious technological
reasons for it.
Consequently, governments, banks and corporate client communication is
moving to dedicated message boxes. Not using email anymore. This is because
that way they can control the privacy. Email (or RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>) then is only
used to inform about new messages in the private inbox.

The root cause is that an email address is not a unique end user ID but a
unique server user ID. The ITU phone number system however is a unique end
user ID system.
Google and Apple clearly have identified this reality, and also are moving
step by step towards mobile phone numbering rather than email addressing.
But always inside their bubble(Android or iOS), of course.
Signal is open source, works on all platforms already and offers all the
modern communication facilities.

I recommend integrating Signal into LibreOffice rather than email. We
should look at Google and Apple for what the market is doing. Not the old
dinosaurs like IBM and Microsoft are pointing the way, but they are.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<https://www.signal.org/> or* RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
===
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeW6oPf3_HhJ6P_ONNCAVy7CJNSmga7WX4ln2CgAxZB6ycfzg/viewform>
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<https://www.signal.org/>-account of RCS
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.


Op di 28 dec. 2021 om 09:13 schreef James Harking :

> Hi all,
>
> I completely disagree that e-mail is a fading technology that will soon be
> replaced. It is the only  universal communication method realistically for
> business outside of telephone calls. We after all are now using e-mail to
> communicate on this mailing list.
>
> I work in a large multinational and e-mail is absolutely essential for me
> when dealing with colleagues and customers outside my organisation.
>
> Also mail clients often have a calendar and contacts function that are
> integrated. That is why I really think this is a short coming of
> LibreOffice currently.
>
> I'm forced to use Outlook daily I appreciate all it does, after this I next
> use Excel and Teams, sometimes Word.
>
> From this list LibreOffice only has comparable applications to two (Word
> and Excel) and that in my opinion makes any migrations problematic if you
> need to research a lot of solutions before you can replace this core
> functionality in Microsoft Office.
>
> Kind regards
>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 07:39 Clocked Modular,  wrote:
>
> > Following Microsoft never was a good idea.
> > Until the mobile phone revolution, MS applied horde-control for their
> > marketing.
> > Now the horde goes largely their own way. Only western governments stay
> > behind.
> >
> > Email is a fading out technology and is most of the time replaced by
> > smartphone based solutions.
> > That is why we should consider integrating signal.org and be part of the
> > horde rather than joining the lagging behind.
> > https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop
> > That way we hook in all the functionality of meeting, chatting, etc.
> > All open source, free and privacy secure.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groet,
> > With kind regards,
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Re: R: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

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Following Microsoft never was a good idea.
Until the mobile phone revolution, MS applied horde-control for their
marketing.
Now the horde goes largely their own way. Only western governments stay
behind.

Email is a fading out technology and is most of the time replaced by
smartphone based solutions.
That is why we should consider integrating signal.org and be part of the
horde rather than joining the lagging behind.
https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop
That way we hook in all the functionality of meeting, chatting, etc.
All open source, free and privacy secure.

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Op ma 27 dec. 2021 om 22:12 schreef James Harking :

> Hi all,
>
> I just responded to a question on the LibreOffice reddit thread regarding
> if LibreOffice needs a Outlook like application.
>
>
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/roj4m8/who_would_love_to_see_libreoffice_include_a/
>
> It appears that the vast majority of responders think it does, however
> that's not my point. I'll paste what I wrote there. Maybe you guys have
> some thoughts?
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
> #
>
> The short answer is of course it should, it has for 10 years and Open
> Office did before it. But needing something and having the resources to do
> that are not the same things.LibeOffice does not compete with Microsoft
> Office, only Writer, Calc and arguably Impress are comparable to their
> counterparts.
>
> There is not a replacement for OneNote and Teams which are the growth
> applications for Microsoft. Arguably the rest are in 'maintenance mode' as
> they are very mature by now. Office suites are moving to the cloud in the
> mid term, desktop clients are still very important but their importance
> will start to wain eventually. Next cloud see this hence why they have the
> collaboration with Collabora.
>
> What the FLOSS Office space needs is a strong and focused working group
> between applications that could help to fill the void that LibreOffice is
> lacking compared to Microsoft Office such as Project Libre (Project),
> Betterbird (Outlook) possibly Joplin (One Note). Goals should be agreed for
> closer integration and cross promotion be emphasised.
>
> The sum of these individual projects will be larger than that of any
> individual project going its own way. I believe that there is something
> similar for the 'art' applications like GIMP, Scribus, Inkscape and Krita
> with an annual conference that takes place.
>
> This is missing from what I can tell for the productivity space. I have
> posted this previously on the LibreOffice marketing mailing list.
>
> If you are a management consultant it is easy to choose Microsoft because
> it is all so integrated and the cost is not necessarily a hindrance in most
> cases. But choosing LibreOffice forces you to look at supporting apps and
> there appears to be little focus on providing an integrated solution and
> that's the issue.
>
> To successfully compete with Microsoft and their huge resources cross
> project collaboration is essential or else everyone will 'pull' in their
> own way and each individual project will remain as niche as it is currently
> when there is so much opportunity to really go out there and compete on not
> price but user freedom and privacy which are so topical for the space
> LibreOffice et al are competing in.
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 18:09 Filipe Gomes Morgado,  wrote:
>
> > Paolo, thank you for focusing on this EU "angle", and to all the others
> for
> > so many and so rich interventions, IMO (y).
> >
> > Portugal, as far as I know, and just to give easily observed data -
> > information/intel -, has been working in the area of interoperability,
> > since June 21, 2011.
> > >> https://dre.pt/dre/detalhe/lei/36-2011-670285
> >
> > On November 8, 2012, with ODF 1.1.
> > >>
> https://dre.pt/dre/detalhe/resolucao-conselho-ministros/91-2012-191863
> > >> 

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Great. Thanks.

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Op zo 26 dec. 2021 om 17:56 schreef Italo Vignoli :

> I have been talking about this issue at events for the last 8 years,
> online you can find presentations with plenty of data. I am preparing an
> updated presentation which will be shared with community members in 2022
> (will be speaking about this issue at FOSDEM).
>
> On 12/26/21 17:38, Clocked Modular wrote:
> > Interesting. Can we gather research to back this up?
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groet,
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> >
> >
> > Op zo 26 dec. 2021 om 13:57 schreef Italo Vignoli  >:
> >
> >> On 12/26/21 07:30, Ravi Dwivedi wrote:
> >>> On 13/12/21 7:17 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote:
> >>>   > A few facts:
> >>>   >
> >>>   > 1. MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware worldwide
> >>>
> >>> What does this mean?
> >>
> >> MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are
> >> intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate user lock-in (the more
> >> complex the document, the lower the chances that third party software
> >> such as LibreOffice is able to interoperate). The hidden complexity is
> >> strictly related to the way OOXML - MS Office pseudo-standard format -
> >> has been intentionally developed. So, this means that switching from
> >> OOXML to ODF - LibreOffice standard document format - would reduce
> >> security issues by a significant percentage.
> >> --
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Interesting. Can we gather research to back this up?

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Op zo 26 dec. 2021 om 13:57 schreef Italo Vignoli :

> On 12/26/21 07:30, Ravi Dwivedi wrote:
> > On 13/12/21 7:17 pm, Paolo Debortoli wrote:
> >  > A few facts:
> >  >
> >  > 1. MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware worldwide
> >
> > What does this mean?
>
> MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are
> intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate user lock-in (the more
> complex the document, the lower the chances that third party software
> such as LibreOffice is able to interoperate). The hidden complexity is
> strictly related to the way OOXML - MS Office pseudo-standard format -
> has been intentionally developed. So, this means that switching from
> OOXML to ODF - LibreOffice standard document format - would reduce
> security issues by a significant percentage.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

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Impressive.

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Op ma 6 dec. 2021 om 15:06 schreef Kannan Moudgalya :

> Hi All,
>
> We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India.
> The training involves downloading LibreOffice and practising.  We could
> not have done this with MS Office - how could we afford so many
> licenses?  The number of people we trained are:
>
> Writer - 440,000
> Calc - 380,000
> Impress - 301,000
> Base - 230,000
> Draw - 106,000
> Math - 85,000
>
> One can gather these details from this URL:
> https://spoken-tutorial.org/statistics/training/
>
> Regards,
> Kannan
>
>
> On 06/12/21 7:15 pm, Parthasarathy Narasimhan wrote:
> >   Hi All,
> > I am a new user of Libreoffice. I am attending an Executive MBA course
> where the course is being taught using MSXL and the topic is statistics. I
> see this is one area where the screen input functionality between XL and
> Libre differs.
> > Like XL shows more parameters on the screen for the student to input
> while it seems Libre might be defaulting.
> > Just thought of sharing.
> > Regards,Partha
> >
> >  On Monday, December 6, 2021, 06:39:52 PM GMT+5:30, James Harking <
> james.hark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi all,
> >
> > I agree with this for the most part, I think direct comparison are
> > difficult as the applications you can compare directly Word to Writer,
> > Excel to Calc and PowerPoint to Impress is not the totality of Microsoft
> > Office. So there is a significant short coming there.
> >
> > We do have Base and Math although I'm not sure how popular and used these
> > components are. Interoperability is a very important consideration that
> > currently hinders adoption in my humble opinion. Although things have
> > certainly improved. I also think the current user interface is a major
> > downside for many people and a criticism I hear leveled at LibreOffice in
> > almost every discussion on LibreOffice in general.
> >
> > Where we do have the advantage is on the community and freedom aspects
> that
> > truly separates LibreOffice from its proprietary counterparts. This is
> the
> > area I would 'evangelise.' Although this might not be a major
> consideration
> > for some as the Libre aspects might not outweigh the gratis aspect.
> >
> > King regards and greetings to all,
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 12:37 Shaun Bharth, 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey hey,
> >>
> >> Idk but I think "User Stories" might be good to feature. The UX guys
> >> probably have done some research already before they generated their
> >> personas. This can form the basis of "Who LibreOffice was designed for".
> >> I'm not sure if a feature by feature comparison would actually be
> >> effective. My understanding is that people are emotional. Most people
> never
> >> use the full feature set of Microsoft Office. They use it because
> EVERYBODY
> >> DOES. My preference is to not compete directly per se with MS Office
> but as
> >> a complement. I think the existing angle is interoperability? That could
> >> work in the sense of MS Office at work, LibreOffice at home. "You're
> >> chained to the desk all day, why do it at home?" yada yada.
> >>
> >> Filipe's idea is quite a good one. I don't think Collabora has as much
> >> traction as LibreOffice and featuring them does help quite a bit i
> guess?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Shaun
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:28 AM Filipe Gomes Morgado 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> Bearing in mind the topic, I would like to contribute with my opinion,
> >>> which I think is very important to mention or express the facts:
> >>>- Open source or FOSS;
> >>>- LibreOffice runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows,
> >>>- “While The Document Foundation doesn't currently offer an
> Android
> >> or
> >>> iOS version of LibreOffice, there is a LibreOffice-based product in app
> >>> stores from Collabora, one of our 

[libreoffice-marketing] Basic / Java / Python

[Clocked Modular]

Dear all,

Am I wrong when I conclude that Python is widely adopted by the new
programmers crowd?
And if I'm not, is it then not wise to focus more on Python?
I suggest to make Python the standard for LO-scripting. Keep Basic only for
legacy reasons, and define a phaseout timeline. The same for Java.
Maybe that way we can get more involvement in development?
Probably you are already aware of https://pypi.org/project/odfpy/ for
example.

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[libreoffice-marketing] CloudAdmin update

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CloudAdmin Update

7 jun 2021

Hoi Marieke,

*Web statistiek*

Bijgaand de doelgroep-rapportage van TLHVvE beheer over vorige maand.

Deze werkt nog steeds!

Echter door alle veranderingen met betrekking tot cookies en maatregelen
die Firefox en Apple nemen om Google en Facebook te blokkeren, worden ze
steeds minder relevant.

Als je het goed vindt, stop ik met het bijhouden en rapporteren ervan.
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice get involved and donation infobars - how often to show them?

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Dear friends,

The first thing, I think, what we need is an open source(O-S) public ethics
awareness.
Not only for our users but for all open-source users.

Free and open is not effortless. If all O-S users start to have the
perception that even the smallest monthly amount helps them to stay free.
That they are not powerless towards big-corp. if they together put their
energy in the goal of remaining free.
Only that way they will remain to be free.

Personally I have chosen to live an as environmental friendly live as
possible. My choice is to have a low as possible income because that is the
most environmental friendly. That is the reason for me to avoid 'big-corp'.
(I've been there).
Still I pay a small fee for all "free" software I use, because I do
understand software is not made from thin air. And I want to stay free.

For example:
If all Mozilla-Firefox users paid a few dollars a month to the Mozilla
foundation, Mozilla would not be dependent from Google.

So I think we first need a Free Software Foundation wide ethical
open-source users conduct. So every "Free" software can hook in to a
central code of conduct linked to a "Freedom is not effortless" campaign.

From that, I think, we need a stay-free logo/icon that can be used by all
O-S apps to link to the monthly contribution page.

By the way the other side of this is a public available annual financial
report by all who use the "Freedom is not effortless" trade-marks.

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Op wo 28 apr. 2021 om 16:33 schreef Telesto :

> Op 28-4-2021 om 11:50 schreef Mike Saunders:
> >> To be transparent of these info-bars, I would like it to appear
> >> somewhere on the official LibreOffice site where the frequency is shown
> >> and perhaps also the rationale for the frequency and a good explanation
> >> of what is meant as "Get Involved" and "Donate ..." (or linked to their
> >> appropriate pages). Make it clear as to where the money is being
> >> invested and to the German non-profit/charitable laws governing the use
> >> of the money ... do the German non-profit/charitable laws/rules force
> >> the project to spend all of the donation income within that fiscal year?
> > The https://www.libreoffice.org/donate/ page that we link to has an
> > infographic on the right showing what the money is being used for, and
> > some text underneath about the non-profit status. There's also a link to
> > "financials and budget", although it's further down the right-hand
> > column. We're working on a website redesign now, so maybe we can make
> > those more prominent on the donate page...
> Not to nag, but well I still struggle with the whole donation topic.
> As I personally perceive it as kind of misleading (easy to misconceive).
> In the sense that especially bugfixing (but maybe also features),
> being outside of the scope of TDF . Obviously infra, meetings,
> documentation and such is also important.
>
> However people do see  a relation between donation and bugfixing. Or to
> phrase it differently.
> Some say, I have donated, why is bug XYZ not gone. This obviously not
> how it works,
> but implies a relation between donation to bugfixing. And that's what I
> would expect to. But that's exactly how it not works.
> No money is flowing to development directly.  And actually can't flow,
> because of the non-profit status and rules attached.
> Donations maybe also thank you to developers who fixed something, while
> TDF being kind of unrelated.
>
> TDF needs funding to obviously. All the other stuff is also important.
> However the whole mystery around TDF and spending makes kind of public
> secret.
> You have to make study to actually know about the 'broken transfer
> system' regarding bugfixing
> You're actually doing more 'good' by buying LibreOffice from eco-system
> partners, IMHO.
>
> And yes, this is not marketing topic, but well marketing circling around
> the hairy area 

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"Open Source or Open Windows"?
That is the question!


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*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
.
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
 or* RCS
 *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
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Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
contactformulier

gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
-account of RCS
 gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.

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