[libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
I think the matter is interesting. In Monachium of Bayern (Germany) people said that calls to the help desk fell from about 70 to about 46 (per day or month, I don't remember exactly) when they removed proprietary software from their 15,000 desktops, fucking one of the main arguments of Microsoft. Another interesting matter was told in Rovereto (Italy) when they adopted LibreOffice instead of Microsoft: proprietary software provides for sure a higher quality, but do we really need all that quality? (and to pay for, I would add). It happens always even with smartphones or so: people buy things bigger than they need. http://www.datamation.com/applications/how-libreoffice-writer-tops-ms-word-12-features-1.html Microsoft reports some speech or comments from some experts / professionals, but the list of cases of succesful adoption of LibreOffice is much longer. For sure, to say that Microsoft is a marketing champion enterprise. I mostly hate 2 things of Microsoft (thinking of Office in particular). first is the lock-in of platform, software and data: no office for linux, no access to linux partitions and use of open data (if the docx format is open data I am mr Obama - would write better in english). Second: they change slowly the data format every time they produce a new software version, giving consumers the wrong idea that every version is revolutionary and a must have (it means still that in offices, schools, public institutions people spend money for unneeded new software versions). Where I work they have 300 desktops with different versions of microsoft office, with people complaining all the time that what works on a computer doesn't work on another. I am trying to convince them to use free software to solve the problem... i will talk them again after holidays From: Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com To: Marketing marketing@global.libreoffice.org; market...@us.libreoffice.org; disc...@documentfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice? Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as well only differently. -Collaboration: depends... We have collaborative features (cmis anyone?) too -No Outlook?... Seriously? Well, no Outlook, true. But I can think of many arguments why this is a good choice. We need something ( a webpage) that takes what we have in the 4.0 and compares it witg MSOffice. Anyone would like to drive this? Best, Charles. Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
Hello Charles, I would be happy and honored to take a more active role. LibreOffice is truly amazing. I am so excited, I printed the 2013 LO calendar and it's on my desk wall now :) Anyways, I think our competitor's arguments are aimed at business users, not individuals. And for those businesses that required the extra features such as email and collaboration, well, there is a solution out there offered by Novell: - Novell Open Workgroup Suite http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/ - Novell Open Workgroup Suite for Small Business http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/smallbiz/ (both include LibreOffice) You probably knew about these already, but thought it's worth mentioning again for anyone who wasn't aware. Cheers, Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as well only differently. -Collaboration: depends... We have collaborative features (cmis anyone?) too -No Outlook?... Seriously? Well, no Outlook, true. But I can think of many arguments why this is a good choice. We need something ( a webpage) that takes what we have in the 4.0 and compares it witg MSOffice. Anyone would like to drive this? Best, Charles. Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
I wonder when in 2012 did MS create this document, since they use OOo instead of AOO? Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Then there is this interesting warranty statement. [bottom of page 3] This document is for informational purposes only. MICROSOFT MAKES NO WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IN THIS To me that states that they can include miss-information and be covered for that. Also they are implying that MSO is now on Smart Phones and not via the next item Browser. [bottom right of page 2] There are things in this document that are correct. LO and OOo [not AOO] lacks certain items [by name] that are owned by MS/MSO. I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second version of this document. On 12/29/2012 12:04 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Hello Charles, I would be happy and honored to take a more active role. LibreOffice is truly amazing. I am so excited, I printed the 2013 LO calendar and it's on my desk wall now :) Anyways, I think our competitor's arguments are aimed at business users, not individuals. And for those businesses that required the extra features such as email and collaboration, well, there is a solution out there offered by Novell: - Novell Open Workgroup Suite http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/ - Novell Open Workgroup Suite for Small Business http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/smallbiz/ (both include LibreOffice) You probably knew about these already, but thought it's worth mentioning again for anyone who wasn't aware. Cheers, Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as well only differently. -Collaboration: depends... We have collaborative features (cmis anyone?) too -No Outlook?... Seriously? Well, no Outlook, true. But I can think of many arguments why this is a good choice. We need something ( a webpage) that takes what we have in the 4.0 and compares it witg MSOffice. Anyone would like to drive this? Best, Charles. Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing material suggestion: Why LibreOffice?
On 12/29/2012 01:32 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: I wonder when in 2012 did MS create this document, since they use OOo instead of AOO? Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Then there is this interesting warranty statement. [bottom of page 3] This document is for informational purposes only. MICROSOFT MAKES NO WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, IN THIS To me that states that they can include miss-information and be covered for that. Also they are implying that MSO is now on Smart Phones and not via the next item Browser. [bottom right of page 2] I believe that Truth in advertising laws would cover false claims. The claims must be factually correct even if they highlight ones best features and a competitors worst features. The question is does this document cross the line. There are things in this document that are correct. LO and OOo [not AOO] lacks certain items [by name] that are owned by MS/MSO. I really would like to know how much MSO feels that LO and OOo are going to take their market away for them to spend time to make this second version of this document. Good point, MS must getting some information indicating that LO/AOO are increasing market penetration. On 12/29/2012 12:04 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote: Hello Charles, I would be happy and honored to take a more active role. LibreOffice is truly amazing. I am so excited, I printed the 2013 LO calendar and it's on my desk wall now :) Anyways, I think our competitor's arguments are aimed at business users, not individuals. And for those businesses that required the extra features such as email and collaboration, well, there is a solution out there offered by Novell: - Novell Open Workgroup Suite http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/ - Novell Open Workgroup Suite for Small Business http://www.novell.com/products/openworkgroupsuite/smallbiz/ (both include LibreOffice) You probably knew about these already, but thought it's worth mentioning again for anyone who wasn't aware. Cheers, Immanuel On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:36 AM, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Immanuel, Nice pick! it's The First time we got mentionned by our biggest competitor, so it's time for a bottle of champagne :-D More seriously, if these are three arguments they can come up with it seems we got a looong way.simce 2005 or so. -Pivot table: Bullshit, we do it just as well only differently. -Collaboration: depends... We have collaborative features (cmis anyone?) too -No Outlook?... Seriously? Well, no Outlook, true. But I can think of many arguments why this is a good choice. We need something ( a webpage) that takes what we have in the 4.0 and compares it witg MSOffice. Anyone would like to drive this? Best, Charles. Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all, Microsoft put out a three-page document that hits on some of the weaknesses of LO (and bundles LO with OOo): http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/0/D/D0DA0C4B-22DE-40C7-A84D-0C7E03347A9C/Considering-LibreOffice-and-OO-v2.pdf Is there some materials that can explain the strong points of LO and offer counter-arguments to what MS says ? Some of the key points would be: - lack of calendaring/email - collaboration tools - pivot tables Immanuel -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Envoyé de mon téléphone avec Kaiten Mail. Excusez la brièveté. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
