Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Jean I agree with you about eBook formatting. I have a number of eBooks that I convert to text files then run it through LO to change the page format and then export it out to PDF. That is the only way I can read most eBooks on my tablet "easily". There are problems with eBooks and some tablets. I am talking about ones that are not iPads, Nook, or Kindles. Just normal 7 inch tablets that are in my price range. SO yes, it will be a lot of work for our documentation editors to make an eBook out of the LO documents. On 02/06/2013 01:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi Marc, Jean, Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: [...] (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about written books will come from the users. Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. And all books are available as pdf. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications This is a good idea. PDFs are available, but I do not think the formatting of the eBook for 3.3 (done by Lulu) is very good. Creating a well-formatted eBook is not easy, because our template contains features (including the tables for tips, notes, cautions, and the use of custom styles for headings, among other things) that do not convert well. This is a big reason why I want to change some things in the template. Dan Lewis has notes on how he hacked the conversion of one chapter, but we need to improve the template and the process. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi Jean, Thanks for you comments on these. (No other comments follow below.) Cheers, Marc Le 2013-02-06 13:05, Jean Weber a écrit : On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Jean and Fabian Le 2013-02-06 01:17, Jean Weber a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-05 11:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote: This is a great idea. If people want to buy sample copies of LO user guides to donate to a library, they can contact i...@friendsofopendocument.com to request them at the wholesale price, saving a few dollars. Please provide info on which libraries you intend to give them to. We can't promise to honour every request, but it's worth asking. Note: the wholesale price is only for sample copies, not purchases by libraries or their customers. At least in Canada most libraries won't take such donations unless there's an ISSN / ISBN number on the publication. Is there one? Yes, our books have ISBN. --Jean Correction: all except the Math Guide. Jean: Thanks for this generous offer. It is really kind of you and of ODFAuthors go give us the option of this generous discount. This offer comes from Friends of OpenDocument, the publisher and distributor of the printed and eBook copies. I imagine the sample copies of LO are complete guides with no missing pages? And would this be for a complete "Sample copy" of all the guides or would it be for just one "Sample copy"? Would the word SAMPLE be stamped on the pages/cover or anywhere on/in the guide book(s) -- this may make a difference to the library where they are sent to. Copies are identical to those anyone can buy from Lulu.com: complete, with no overprinting of SAMPLE or anything else. Whether we provide only the Getting Started guide or any/all of the other guides is negotiable with whoever makes the request. Is the math guide getting its ISBN? The Math guide would be an important book to have in the collection. I can give the Math Guide an ISBN. Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any temptation for any abuse of purchase. I could send directly to the Library or to the user making the request. However, I cannot include a cover letter (Lulu.com does the distribution), so it might be better to send to an individual who can then take to the Library or add a cover letter and then send. Again, negotiable. --Jean -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Le 2013-02-06 13:13, Jean Weber a écrit : On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: Hi Marc, Jean, Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: [...] (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about written books will come from the users. Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. And all books are available as pdf. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications This is a good idea. PDFs are available, but I do not think the formatting of the eBook for 3.3 (done by Lulu) is very good. Creating a well-formatted eBook is not easy, because our template contains features (including the tables for tips, notes, cautions, and the use of custom styles for headings, among other things) that do not convert well. This is a big reason why I want to change some things in the template. Dan Lewis has notes on how he hacked the conversion of one chapter, but we need to improve the template and the process. --Jean If only we had a small and efficient ODF viewer, then this would not be a problem. We had a discussion on this quite a while ago and it was quite a lively one (it was on the discussion list). I don't believe there was much interest by the devs to work on any of it. ;-( Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:15 AM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I think the Maths Guide is about to have a major re-vamp, probably after the > 4.0.0. I'm not sure if that would affect an application for an ISBN number. Where do you get the idea that the Maths Guide is about to have a major re-vamp? Have I missed something at Docs? For an ISBN, all I have to do is add one to the book. Note, however, that at this point only the printed version of the books have ISBN; the PDFs do not (because we don't sell them). PDFs and printed books and eBooks each require a separate ISBN. Friends of OpenDocument buys ISBN in sets of 100, so I have plenty to use. > > As for abusing the wholesale offer i think that is not really a worry. The > aim is to get the guides out there as far and widely as possibly. If someone > is smart enough and keen enough (about LO) then they hopefully will make good > use of the guides anyway, either to make sure they get seen or to help people > migrate to LibreOffice. The aim is less about generating profit and more > about getting the guides out there. I agree. I am not concerned about this. > > Hopefully people wont try to abuse the system too much. Even at full price > the guides really don't cost much especially when compared to similar guides > for rival products. Also i am sure the Friends of OpenDocument are sensible > enough to manage the requests sensibly. Sending full sets of guides out to > all 51 libraries might or might not present a bit of a challenge to them but > i'm sure they could figure out a way of doing something sensible. There is a bit of work for me involved in buying the books, but including all copies is trivially more work than just ordering one. > > It still makes sense to send directly to where they are required to save the > effort of re-distributing. See my earlier note in response to Marc. I am not so sure sending directly to the library is the better idea... unless the request comes directly from the library. > >> >> From: Marc Paré >>To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >>Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 8:45 >>Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local >>Libraries Project" >> >> >>Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be >>sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at >>wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any >>temptation for any abuse of purchase. >> >>Cheers, >> >>Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:35 AM, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote: > Hi Marc, Jean, > Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: > > [...] >> (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others >> quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often >> are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later >> disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only >> after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow >> school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the >> texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted >> for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but >> still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more >> well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) > > In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many > in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. > Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? > No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about > written books will come from the users. > > Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this > may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. > And all books are available as pdf. > > [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications This is a good idea. PDFs are available, but I do not think the formatting of the eBook for 3.3 (done by Lulu) is very good. Creating a well-formatted eBook is not easy, because our template contains features (including the tables for tips, notes, cautions, and the use of custom styles for headings, among other things) that do not convert well. This is a big reason why I want to change some things in the template. Dan Lewis has notes on how he hacked the conversion of one chapter, but we need to improve the template and the process. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Jean and Fabian > > Le 2013-02-06 01:17, Jean Weber a écrit : > >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Rodriguez >>> wrote: On 13-02-05 11:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote: > > This is a great idea. If people want to buy sample copies of LO user > guides to donate to a library, they can contact > i...@friendsofopendocument.com to request them at the wholesale price, > saving a few dollars. Please provide info on which libraries you > intend to give them to. We can't promise to honour every request, but > it's worth asking. Note: the wholesale price is only for sample > copies, not purchases by libraries or their customers. At least in Canada most libraries won't take such donations unless there's an ISSN / ISBN number on the publication. Is there one? >>> >>> >>> Yes, our books have ISBN. >>> >>> --Jean >> >> >> Correction: all except the Math Guide. >> > > Jean: Thanks for this generous offer. It is really kind of you and of > ODFAuthors go give us the option of this generous discount. This offer comes from Friends of OpenDocument, the publisher and distributor of the printed and eBook copies. > I imagine the sample copies of LO are complete guides with no missing pages? > And would this be for a complete "Sample copy" of all the guides or would it > be for just one "Sample copy"? Would the word SAMPLE be stamped on the > pages/cover or anywhere on/in the guide book(s) -- this may make a > difference to the library where they are sent to. Copies are identical to those anyone can buy from Lulu.com: complete, with no overprinting of SAMPLE or anything else. Whether we provide only the Getting Started guide or any/all of the other guides is negotiable with whoever makes the request. > > Is the math guide getting its ISBN? The Math guide would be an important > book to have in the collection. I can give the Math Guide an ISBN. > > Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be > sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at > wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any > temptation for any abuse of purchase. I could send directly to the Library or to the user making the request. However, I cannot include a cover letter (Lulu.com does the distribution), so it might be better to send to an individual who can then take to the Library or add a cover letter and then send. Again, negotiable. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Tom, Le 2013-02-06 06:57, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) Please could we try to keep discussions on the right lists? When something is relevant to the documentation team we could just forwards the thread to the documentation team for them to discuss. Of course the docs team are interested in getting the guides out to as many distribution networks as reasonably possible. Also they are likely to be in a better position to decide how to make it possible. Of course the marketing team can try to make all the decisions for them but this list might not be aware of details. Details that the documentation team might have factored in if they had been allowed to discuss it themselves. Delegating is a good way to manage a project. Regards from Tom :) This thread is all about Lulu and a suggested distribution process, and does not involve documentation. Documentation does not produce printed books nor, thus far, e-books ... which Lulu does (no ebooks except for one I believe). Also, ODFAuthors manage the Lulu.com account and not the TDF/LibreOffice. I believe that Jean is the contact person with Lulu. ODFAuthors have been extremely generous in offering back to the community profits from the sale of the paperbacks. So far, I have not mentioned anything that comes from the Docs team. Seeing from KJ's note about e-books, yes, if the docs team gets into offering e-books, then we could then ask if Libraries could offer e-books. However, at this point, the only product available, which we could help in promoting, are the on-demand printed products from Lulu.com. Most Libraries still offer printed text books and most school board still look seriously at printed text as most classrooms are not outfitted with personalized "at every desk" computer device. So, I don't think the docs team need to be involved here at this point, other than our giving them thanks for their on-going commitment to completing the guides, which, without this, would not be available in print at Lulu.com. We could later let the docs team know that we have a process where we will try proactively to get the printed books into libraries. We can promote ebooks when they arrive, and, to our user base. Libraries will only need to be told of the accessibility of ebooks and really not require any follow-up except for the occasional check to see if the ebook version has been updated. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Le 2013-02-06 07:15, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I think the Maths Guide is about to have a major re-vamp, probably after the 4.0.0. I'm not sure if that would affect an application for an ISBN number. As for abusing the wholesale offer i think that is not really a worry. The aim is to get the guides out there as far and widely as possibly. If someone is smart enough and keen enough (about LO) then they hopefully will make good use of the guides anyway, either to make sure they get seen or to help people migrate to LibreOffice. The aim is less about generating profit and more about getting the guides out there. Hopefully people wont try to abuse the system too much. Even at full price the guides really don't cost much especially when compared to similar guides for rival products. Also i am sure the Friends of OpenDocument are sensible enough to manage the requests sensibly. Sending full sets of guides out to all 51 libraries might or might not present a bit of a challenge to them but i'm sure they could figure out a way of doing something sensible. It still makes sense to send directly to where they are required to save the effort of re-distributing. Regards from Tom :) No, this is not correct. The point of this discussion is to get the guides to targeted libraries and try to get a commitment to continued yearly acquisition. They have the funds to purchase texts such as these as well as to put them on a yearly review for either purchase more of the same texts depending on usage or purchase newer updated versions. We would take care of promoting these to libraries just like any other publisher would, however direct them to Lulu.com for the purchases. We are not in the printing business as the Lulu.com model is more efficient. Jean's offer was more of a user/member offering to purchase a guide destined for library use, and, giving the user a preferred rate for that purchase. I doubt very much that a particular user will offer to purchase the whole series for a Library. But, still getting a guide to a Library this way is fine. I am more interested in a more committed effort to convince Libraries to carry our complete guides on their stacks for their membership use. Then, we will be able to lay claim that our guides are available at most libraries and we could possibly keep a record of which libraries are carrying our guides. The acquisition department at libraries is our target. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi KJ Le 2013-02-06 04:35, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol a écrit : Hi Marc, Jean, Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about written books will come from the users. Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. And all books are available as pdf. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Thanks, yes, we could. But as you point out there are no ebook formats to offer other than the .pdf version. We still do not have a .odt viewer that would work, nor do most libraries carry .odt viewers as well. IMO, we should try to promote our ODF formats as much as possible. But this can easily be done when approaching the libraries with a suggestion to purchase our guides for their shelves. Most libraries will usually carry at least on complete set of guides for such large/popular/successful software projects. But yes, ebooks added to the list of suggestion when we approach libraries would be good and smart. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
This is a marketing issue as well as a documentation issue. Getting the LO books on the shelves of the local libraries is a good idea. That will make LO a more "accepted" package to some people, if they can see the reference books in their local libraries. On 02/06/2013 06:57 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Please could we try to keep discussions on the right lists? When something is relevant to the documentation team we could just forwards the thread to the documentation team for them to discuss. Of course the docs team are interested in getting the guides out to as many distribution networks as reasonably possible. Also they are likely to be in a better position to decide how to make it possible. Of course the marketing team can try to make all the decisions for them but this list might not be aware of details. Details that the documentation team might have factored in if they had been allowed to discuss it themselves. Delegating is a good way to manage a project. Regards from Tom :) From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org Cc: LibreO - Marketing Global Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 9:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project" Hi Marc, Jean, Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: [...] (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about written books will come from the users. Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. And all books are available as pdf. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi :) I think the Maths Guide is about to have a major re-vamp, probably after the 4.0.0. I'm not sure if that would affect an application for an ISBN number. As for abusing the wholesale offer i think that is not really a worry. The aim is to get the guides out there as far and widely as possibly. If someone is smart enough and keen enough (about LO) then they hopefully will make good use of the guides anyway, either to make sure they get seen or to help people migrate to LibreOffice. The aim is less about generating profit and more about getting the guides out there. Hopefully people wont try to abuse the system too much. Even at full price the guides really don't cost much especially when compared to similar guides for rival products. Also i am sure the Friends of OpenDocument are sensible enough to manage the requests sensibly. Sending full sets of guides out to all 51 libraries might or might not present a bit of a challenge to them but i'm sure they could figure out a way of doing something sensible. It still makes sense to send directly to where they are required to save the effort of re-distributing. Regards from Tom :) > > From: Marc Paré >To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 8:45 >Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local >Libraries Project" > >Hi Jean and Fabian > >Le 2013-02-06 01:17, Jean Weber a écrit : >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Rodriguez >>> wrote: >>>> On 13-02-05 11:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote: >>>>> This is a great idea. If people want to buy sample copies of LO user >>>>> guides to donate to a library, they can contact >>>>> i...@friendsofopendocument.com to request them at the wholesale price, >>>>> saving a few dollars. Please provide info on which libraries you >>>>> intend to give them to. We can't promise to honour every request, but >>>>> it's worth asking. Note: the wholesale price is only for sample >>>>> copies, not purchases by libraries or their customers. >>>> At least in Canada most libraries won't take such donations unless >>>> there's an ISSN / ISBN number on the publication. Is there one? >>> >>> Yes, our books have ISBN. >>> >>> --Jean >> >> Correction: all except the Math Guide. >> > >Jean: Thanks for this generous offer. It is really kind of you and of >ODFAuthors go give us the option of this generous discount. > > >I imagine the sample copies of LO are complete guides with no missing pages? >And would this be for a complete "Sample copy" of all the guides or would it >be for just one "Sample copy"? Would the word SAMPLE be stamped on the >pages/cover or anywhere on/in the guide book(s) -- this may make a difference >to the library where they are sent to. > >ALSO be aware that some/many Libraries will not put just any book(s) on their >stacks unless it has either been approved by the library acquisition >librarian, or if there has been some public demand for (in our case) >LibreOffice guides. > >(For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others quite >large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often are not put >on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later disposal or distributed >to teachers who think may use them, BUT only after being vetted by the head >librarian to make sure the texts follow school board teaching philosophies and >programme expectations. If the texts do not follow programme expectations, >then they are not accepted for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice >guides fit in well but still must go through internal vetting approval >process. The more well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) > >Is the math guide getting its ISBN? The Math guide would be an important book >to have in the collection. > >Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be >sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at >wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any >temptation for any abuse of purchase. > >Cheers, > >Marc > > >-- Marc Paré >m...@marcpare.com >http://www.parEntreprise.com >parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) >parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org > > >-- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsub
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi :) Please could we try to keep discussions on the right lists? When something is relevant to the documentation team we could just forwards the thread to the documentation team for them to discuss. Of course the docs team are interested in getting the guides out to as many distribution networks as reasonably possible. Also they are likely to be in a better position to decide how to make it possible. Of course the marketing team can try to make all the decisions for them but this list might not be aware of details. Details that the documentation team might have factored in if they had been allowed to discuss it themselves. Delegating is a good way to manage a project. Regards from Tom :) > > From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol >To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org >Cc: LibreO - Marketing Global >Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2013, 9:35 >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local >Libraries Project" > >Hi Marc, Jean, >Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: > >[...] >> (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others >> quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often >> are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later >> disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only >> after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow >> school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the >> texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted >> for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but >> still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more >> well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) > >In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many >in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. >Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? >No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about >written books will come from the users. > >Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this >may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. >And all books are available as pdf. > >[1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications > >-- >Grüße >k-j > >-- >Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi Marc, Jean, Am 06.02.2013 09:45, schrieb Marc Paré: [...] > (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others > quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often > are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later > disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only > after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow > school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the > texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted > for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but > still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more > well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) In Germany many libraries start now to offer e-books. And I think many in Canada/Australia and all over the world do this. Why don't you try to get our e-books (epub/pdf) first in the libraries? No expenses. When we will get in such a library then the question about written books will come from the users. Ok, there is for now only one epub for Getting started 3.3 [1] but this may be an Easy Hack for documentation list doing it especially with 4.0. And all books are available as pdf. [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Hi Jean and Fabian Le 2013-02-06 01:17, Jean Weber a écrit : On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Jean Weber wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote: On 13-02-05 11:13 PM, Jean Weber wrote: This is a great idea. If people want to buy sample copies of LO user guides to donate to a library, they can contact i...@friendsofopendocument.com to request them at the wholesale price, saving a few dollars. Please provide info on which libraries you intend to give them to. We can't promise to honour every request, but it's worth asking. Note: the wholesale price is only for sample copies, not purchases by libraries or their customers. At least in Canada most libraries won't take such donations unless there's an ISSN / ISBN number on the publication. Is there one? Yes, our books have ISBN. --Jean Correction: all except the Math Guide. Jean: Thanks for this generous offer. It is really kind of you and of ODFAuthors go give us the option of this generous discount. I imagine the sample copies of LO are complete guides with no missing pages? And would this be for a complete "Sample copy" of all the guides or would it be for just one "Sample copy"? Would the word SAMPLE be stamped on the pages/cover or anywhere on/in the guide book(s) -- this may make a difference to the library where they are sent to. ALSO be aware that some/many Libraries will not put just any book(s) on their stacks unless it has either been approved by the library acquisition librarian, or if there has been some public demand for (in our case) LibreOffice guides. (For example, my school board operates 51 libraries, some small/others quite large, sample texts arrive weekly to the libraries and most often are not put on the stacks but are either left on a shelf for later disposal or distributed to teachers who think may use them, BUT only after being vetted by the head librarian to make sure the texts follow school board teaching philosophies and programme expectations. If the texts do not follow programme expectations, then they are not accepted for library use. In our case, the LibreOffice guides fit in well but still must go through internal vetting approval process. The more well-known are guides the shorter the vetting process.) Is the math guide getting its ISBN? The Math guide would be an important book to have in the collection. Also, just to be clear to everyone, Jean, are you saying the guides would be sent directly to the Libraries and not the user requesting the guides at wholesale rate costs? This to me would make sense, as it would remove any temptation for any abuse of purchase. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Le 2013-02-03 08:32, webmaster-Kracked_P_P a écrit : On 02/03/2013 07:48 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-03 07:24, Ma Xiaojun a écrit : This sounds cool. I guess I can do my part for Hong Kong. Let's wait and see before doing anything. We would need to set up the process first and then we can get to work on it. But I think this would be an easy entry-level marketing chore for newcomers to the team. Cheers, Marc How about donating a book with the current version[s] of LibreOffice, as a "bundle". Give them a book with the software so they could give it to their IT person to see what LibreOffice is all about. I gave my local Library system a DVD before, but I found out that their IT person knew all about OOo and LO at that point. ALSO if you have any community-based computer centers,or even a "English as a second language" teaching center, there may be someappreciation for LO there. Having several languages for spell checking, or even menus, might be a good idea in some of those places. They might like the idea of "free" as well, since these places tend to not have much of a budget to get orkeep their systems updated. I know of one place that had older/used systems donated to them since they could not afford to buy them. These places are a good candidate for user manuals and "getting started" guides. SO there are more places than just libraries that might benefit from a donation. Yup, this would be fine. However, my suggestion is to get docs into libraries and hope that they would put the LibreOffice docs on their yearly budget requests. For example, University budget requests in Canada are mostly due by the end of their fiscal year in April. We would have to suggest LibreOffice docs to them in January as a reminder. For example, school board high school library fiscal year ends in June in my local school boards, we would also have to remind them of LibreOffice docs purchases in January as well. We should concentrate on organizations with recurring budgets who can afford the $$$ to purchase the texts as well as have a large readership who may be able to use them. This will also give us more brand exposure. But, as you say, there is nothing to stop LibreOffice individuals to donate a book to a local group where it may benefit from it. This is certainly a good idea. BTW ... when I say reminder ... most countries/districts now demand that organizations get prior approval to send such emails. We would have to get prior approval from these institutions to get on a reminder list before sending then any other emails. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
On 02/03/2013 07:48 AM, Marc Paré wrote: Le 2013-02-03 07:24, Ma Xiaojun a écrit : This sounds cool. I guess I can do my part for Hong Kong. Let's wait and see before doing anything. We would need to set up the process first and then we can get to work on it. But I think this would be an easy entry-level marketing chore for newcomers to the team. Cheers, Marc How about donating a book with the current version[s] of LibreOffice, as a "bundle". Give them a book with the software so they could give it to their IT person to see what LibreOffice is all about. I gave my local Library system a DVD before, but I found out that their IT person knew all about OOo and LO at that point. ALSO if you have any community-based computer centers,or even a "English as a second language" teaching center, there may be someappreciation for LO there. Having several languages for spell checking, or even menus, might be a good idea in some of those places. They might like the idea of "free" as well, since these places tend to not have much of a budget to get orkeep their systems updated. I know of one place that had older/used systems donated to them since they could not afford to buy them. These places are a good candidate for user manuals and "getting started" guides. SO there are more places than just libraries that might benefit from a donation. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Le 2013-02-03 07:58, timofonic timofonic a écrit : Interesting... Are there plans to deploy this on other than English countries? I see there is a volunteer from Hong Kong, so maybe the book is translated in Chinese too. I would like to like know about the availability of other translations and their completion percentages. What about collaboration with local organizations? These can be LUGs, pro open source organisations like cultural ones (specially those of progressive nature, at least on my country). There's a big need of making FOSS teaching events about Free Software like LibreOffice and Linux, at least here at Spain. This could ease the average people to use and get interest in this other projects and also get feedback from people to know how to improve usability and features to improve or add. Those can be done by local organizations in a volunteer way and using official teaching material by The Document Foundation. Giving some kind of certificate and a rigorous teaching way could attract ruins of people (specially the unemployed ones, too much in Spain). I'm highly interested in this "extreme guerrilla marketing" approach that even newbies coil help on it, please inform me about new stuff. El 03/02/2013 13:24, "Ma Xiaojun" escribió: Well, for now this thread is all about getting our documentation into libraries. As for the translated texts, you will find them here[1]. Unfortunately, the nl teams need to organize their own translation teams and join the docs team mailing list if they need more information. Hmmm, on that list[1] is missing the DE team docs translations, I thought that they were working on some. But as you can see, the list, other than the ones there is quite short. The translation of docs is a process for dedicated translators/localizers. if you are an nl team member, you would need to talk to your nl team member leads for more information on this. But, yes, this thread is about getting docs into Libraries wherever possible. == As for teaching events etc., why wait? Organize one yourself, contact people in your area, get marketing materials done up in your native language (we can help with this); but this should be talked on another thread. If you have any marketing questions specifically regarding this we can help; but could we keep this thread about the libraries and not branch out? You can start another thread about any other marketing ideas and continue it there. Thanks for your input. -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice "Documentation in Local Libraries Project"
Le 2013-02-03 07:24, Ma Xiaojun a écrit : This sounds cool. I guess I can do my part for Hong Kong. Let's wait and see before doing anything. We would need to set up the process first and then we can get to work on it. But I think this would be an easy entry-level marketing chore for newcomers to the team. Cheers, Marc -- Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com http://www.parEntreprise.com parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF) parEntreprise.com Supports http://www.LibreOffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
