[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Le 29/04/11 08:27 AM, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi :) I think there are already guidelines in the "Branding" part of the wiki. There are rules there about the use of the TDF and LibreOffice logos, with particular reference to Dvd labels. Regards from Tom :) Hi Tom I think you are a little confused about this item. We are following the TDF/LO guidelines that are nicely commented. This issue is with the use of 3rd party logos, one was found to have a more restrictive license and we are looking into it. It will be cleared up soon. We just need time to speak to that particular community. Hence the warning text on that page. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
+1 Not because i don't like or don't trust them but just because it would be a bottle-neck and be more demanding than rewarding for them. They are an excellent resource and people would be wise to make use of their skills and talents. However, it's not always going to be possible for people to act wisely fast enough. Regards from Tom :) From: drew To: marketing@libreoffice.org Sent: Mon, 25 April, 2011 10:23:52 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page Hi, I should expand on that - I would like the design team to be a resource for the different groups/teams that will be working on specific items. I would also expect it to continue generating guidelines, recommendations or published best practices if you will. I would not be in favor it acting as a mandated certification body. Hopefully that is a bit more explanatory as to my thinking. Thanks again for all the work you putting in, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Le 2011-04-26 15:00, drew a écrit : Just to clarify - the only issue is with packaging - use on a web page is specifically covered on the W3C site and does not require any contact with them for non-profits as long as one complies with the attribution requirements. I didn't look at the wiki page yet, if the link to the W3C page on this isn't there I'll add it later. Thanks Drew Yup, thanks. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 14:01 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Le 2011-04-23 06:36, Marc Paré a écrit : > > With the designing of different marketing materials for LibreOffice, I > > have created a wiki page listing the "Third Party Logos" weblinks[1] > > that you may want to include on your new designs. These include: > > > > * ODF logos > > * PDF logos > > * SVG logos > > * CC (Creative Commons) logos > > * LGPL logos > > * W3C Conformance logo (I don't think LibreOffice qualifies for this yet > > -- accessibility logo) > > > > The link also shows on the "Conference Kit" wiki page[2] > > > > Cheers > > > > Marc > > > > [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Third_Party_Logos > > [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConferenceKit > > > > > > Just to keep all of this in perspective. > > I created the page to make it easier for anyone needing to add the most > likely 3rd icons to marketing pages -- these links make it easier to > find the icons. On one of the discussion threads, it was commented that > one of these, the SVG icon license, seemed to be too restrictive and > that someone should contact the SVG group in order to clarify the > license permissions that accompanied it. Just to clarify - the only issue is with packaging - use on a web page is specifically covered on the W3C site and does not require any contact with them for non-profits as long as one complies with the attribution requirements. I didn't look at the wiki page yet, if the link to the W3C page on this isn't there I'll add it later. Thanks Drew > I then modified and added a > temporary warning message until the SVG licensing issues could be > cleared up -- after which, the warning message would be removed. Drew > also suggested that perhaps a member of the SC could take up the task to > contact the SVG group to clear up the issues. > > Nothing else was intended other than to make it easier for all to find > and make use of these as needed and in all security of licensing > restrictions with respect to these icons. > > So, in order to finally clear all of this up, who would like to contact > the SVG group to clear this up? I also believe that an SC member should > be contacting the group so the the SVG group be made aware of their > "seemingly" restrictive license. Perhaps we are reading too much into > their license or perhaps they just need to modify their license and make > it a little more restrictive. We need to review all the licenses one > last time just to make sure that our use fall within their licensing > permissions. > > I'm sorry if this somehow seemed to be about any other issues. It wasn't > meant to be anything other than that of the above. > > Cheers > > Marc > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Le 2011-04-23 06:36, Marc Paré a écrit : With the designing of different marketing materials for LibreOffice, I have created a wiki page listing the "Third Party Logos" weblinks[1] that you may want to include on your new designs. These include: * ODF logos * PDF logos * SVG logos * CC (Creative Commons) logos * LGPL logos * W3C Conformance logo (I don't think LibreOffice qualifies for this yet -- accessibility logo) The link also shows on the "Conference Kit" wiki page[2] Cheers Marc [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Third_Party_Logos [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConferenceKit Just to keep all of this in perspective. I created the page to make it easier for anyone needing to add the most likely 3rd icons to marketing pages -- these links make it easier to find the icons. On one of the discussion threads, it was commented that one of these, the SVG icon license, seemed to be too restrictive and that someone should contact the SVG group in order to clarify the license permissions that accompanied it. I then modified and added a temporary warning message until the SVG licensing issues could be cleared up -- after which, the warning message would be removed. Drew also suggested that perhaps a member of the SC could take up the task to contact the SVG group to clear up the issues. Nothing else was intended other than to make it easier for all to find and make use of these as needed and in all security of licensing restrictions with respect to these icons. So, in order to finally clear all of this up, who would like to contact the SVG group to clear this up? I also believe that an SC member should be contacting the group so the the SVG group be made aware of their "seemingly" restrictive license. Perhaps we are reading too much into their license or perhaps they just need to modify their license and make it a little more restrictive. We need to review all the licenses one last time just to make sure that our use fall within their licensing permissions. I'm sorry if this somehow seemed to be about any other issues. It wasn't meant to be anything other than that of the above. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Hi Drew Le 2011-04-25 08:06, drew a écrit : For myself I'm trying to set a good example, but if that is being taken as a sign of my agreement that this one team has final say in all work product then let me assuage you of that misconception without further delay. If the person(s) working on a particular item wants to put their work up for review, I would encourage them to do so, voluntarily. Yes, however, if following the meritocratic style of the LibreOffice project, you have, in my most honest opinion, merit to do this. You have a proven track record of working within the confines of the agreed guidelines and you have proven yourself, clearly, as an asset to the project. Having any kind of vetting process is to make sure that people, who have not as yet merit with the project, have a validation process to give merit to the their work. Nothing wrong with voluntarily passing items for review, but I would imagine, that if these people have not as yet reached merit within the group, that a validation process should be followed. I happen to like the process under which we are working at this point. As far as the text in the material, in this particular case ... marketing material, the marketing team would give approval for the text included in document/materials. Marketing text is not the area of expertise of the design team. It goes without saying that in both these cases the TDF membership is involved through their participation in these groups giving validity to the approval process of both groups. So, in this particular case, dealing with the 3rd party icons, it would seem to me, the design team should be given mandate of assuring the proper usage of these icons On this one point - yes I agree. This was the point in putting up a temporary warning note on the wiki page until we sort out the licensing stipulations. We need to either find a way to conform or, as you suggested, contact them and try to negotiate a more friendly use of their icon set if possible. I agree that someone from the TDF should be involved in negotiating this. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 07:01 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Drew > > Le 2011-04-25 05:23, drew a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > I should expand on that - I would like the design team to be a resource > > for the different groups/teams that will be working on specific items. I > > would also expect it to continue generating guidelines, recommendations > > or published best practices if you will. > > > > I would not be in favor it acting as a mandated certification body. > > > > Hopefully that is a bit more explanatory as to my thinking. > > > > Thanks again for all the work you putting in, > > > > Drew > > > > > > Thanks for the comments. We should however have some group ultimately > responsible for the release of new designed materials. > > IMO the marketing teams create and disseminate materials that often > contain pre-approved design elements (ex logos, graphics, fonts etc.) > from the design team. Key phrase - pre-approved. > In these cases, and in particular marketing > materials and documents, these should be put to the scrutiny of the > design team when design elements are included. Again, I simply disagree. As long as a good faith effort to comply with the guidelines is being made then I see no reason for a vetting process on each work item. > I think we have been > using this process quite effectively with the marketing materials that > we have published thus far. For myself I'm trying to set a good example, but if that is being taken as a sign of my agreement that this one team has final say in all work product then let me assuage you of that misconception without further delay. If the person(s) working on a particular item wants to put their work up for review, I would encourage them to do so, voluntarily. > > As far as the text in the material, in this particular case ... > marketing material, the marketing team would give approval for the text > included in document/materials. Marketing text is not the area of > expertise of the design team. > > It goes without saying that in both these cases the TDF membership is > involved through their participation in these groups giving validity to > the approval process of both groups. > > So, in this particular case, dealing with the 3rd party icons, it would > seem to me, the design team should be given mandate of assuring the > proper usage of these icons On this one point - yes I agree. Thanks, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Hi Drew Le 2011-04-25 05:23, drew a écrit : Hi, I should expand on that - I would like the design team to be a resource for the different groups/teams that will be working on specific items. I would also expect it to continue generating guidelines, recommendations or published best practices if you will. I would not be in favor it acting as a mandated certification body. Hopefully that is a bit more explanatory as to my thinking. Thanks again for all the work you putting in, Drew Thanks for the comments. We should however have some group ultimately responsible for the release of new designed materials. IMO the marketing teams create and disseminate materials that often contain pre-approved design elements (ex logos, graphics, fonts etc.) from the design team. In these cases, and in particular marketing materials and documents, these should be put to the scrutiny of the design team when design elements are included. I think we have been using this process quite effectively with the marketing materials that we have published thus far. As far as the text in the material, in this particular case ... marketing material, the marketing team would give approval for the text included in document/materials. Marketing text is not the area of expertise of the design team. It goes without saying that in both these cases the TDF membership is involved through their participation in these groups giving validity to the approval process of both groups. So, in this particular case, dealing with the 3rd party icons, it would seem to me, the design team should be given mandate of assuring the proper usage of these icons as they are the most logical group who are most knowledgeable in icon use and license adherence. The approval process does not necessarily mean the rubber stamping of material from one particular goups, but may involve a tiered approval process. We tend to follow this process naturally anyway. BTW, as Bernhard suggested, the warning on the 3rd party wiki page is temporary until the licensing issues are cleared up for their use on marketing material. Just my take on this. Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 00:41 -0400, drew wrote: > On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 22:00 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > > Hi Bernhard > > > > Le 2011-04-24 19:02, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : > > > Hi Marc, all, > > > > > > Marc Paré schrieb: > > >> With the designing of different marketing materials for LibreOffice, I > > >> have created a wiki page listing the "Third Party Logos" weblinks[1] > > >> that you may want to include on your new designs.These include: > > >> > > >> * ODF logos > > >> * PDF logos > > >> * SVG logos > > >> * CC (Creative Commons) logos > > >> * LGPL logos > > >> * W3C Conformance logo (I don't think LibreOffice qualifies for this yet > > >> -- accessibility logo) > > > > > > As already mentioned in our thread about the DVD cover design on the > > > design list, some of these logos are licensed in a way that doesn't > > > allow us to use them in every case. > > > > > > Could you or anybody else find out the licenses for the logos - and add > > > a notice to the wiki page [1] to have a close look at the logo licenses > > > on the linked pages until we don't have the license information on our > > > wiki page? > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Bernhard > > >> > > >> [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Third_Party_Logos > > > > > > > Completely agree and we should also keep to the agreed steps in the > > creation/design of any materials, that these are cleared by the > > LibreOffice design team before put to use. > > > > I have updated the page with the following: > > > > "This page lists third party (downloadable) logos that may be necessary > > for some marketing materials. NOTE: before adding any of these logos on > > any material, their license information should be considered and > > confirmed. Some of these licenses may be restrictive and must be > > observed. REMINDER: all designs must be confirmed and usage confirmed by > > the LibreOffice design team." > > Hi, > > Sorry, but I cant agree to that. The Design team is not the arbiter of > all and every effort by and all and every person on this project. > Hi, I should expand on that - I would like the design team to be a resource for the different groups/teams that will be working on specific items. I would also expect it to continue generating guidelines, recommendations or published best practices if you will. I would not be in favor it acting as a mandated certification body. Hopefully that is a bit more explanatory as to my thinking. Thanks again for all the work you putting in, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 22:00 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Bernhard > > Le 2011-04-24 19:02, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : > > Hi Marc, all, > > > > Marc Paré schrieb: > >> With the designing of different marketing materials for LibreOffice, I > >> have created a wiki page listing the "Third Party Logos" weblinks[1] > >> that you may want to include on your new designs.These include: > >> > >> * ODF logos > >> * PDF logos > >> * SVG logos > >> * CC (Creative Commons) logos > >> * LGPL logos > >> * W3C Conformance logo (I don't think LibreOffice qualifies for this yet > >> -- accessibility logo) > > > > As already mentioned in our thread about the DVD cover design on the > > design list, some of these logos are licensed in a way that doesn't > > allow us to use them in every case. > > > > Could you or anybody else find out the licenses for the logos - and add > > a notice to the wiki page [1] to have a close look at the logo licenses > > on the linked pages until we don't have the license information on our > > wiki page? > > > > Best regards > > > > Bernhard > >> > >> [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Third_Party_Logos > > > > Completely agree and we should also keep to the agreed steps in the > creation/design of any materials, that these are cleared by the > LibreOffice design team before put to use. > > I have updated the page with the following: > > "This page lists third party (downloadable) logos that may be necessary > for some marketing materials. NOTE: before adding any of these logos on > any material, their license information should be considered and > confirmed. Some of these licenses may be restrictive and must be > observed. REMINDER: all designs must be confirmed and usage confirmed by > the LibreOffice design team." Hi, Sorry, but I cant agree to that. The Design team is not the arbiter of all and every effort by and all and every person on this project. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Re: Third Party Logs wiki page
Hi Bernhard Le 2011-04-24 19:02, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi Marc, all, Marc Paré schrieb: With the designing of different marketing materials for LibreOffice, I have created a wiki page listing the "Third Party Logos" weblinks[1] that you may want to include on your new designs.These include: * ODF logos * PDF logos * SVG logos * CC (Creative Commons) logos * LGPL logos * W3C Conformance logo (I don't think LibreOffice qualifies for this yet -- accessibility logo) As already mentioned in our thread about the DVD cover design on the design list, some of these logos are licensed in a way that doesn't allow us to use them in every case. Could you or anybody else find out the licenses for the logos - and add a notice to the wiki page [1] to have a close look at the logo licenses on the linked pages until we don't have the license information on our wiki page? Best regards Bernhard [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Third_Party_Logos Completely agree and we should also keep to the agreed steps in the creation/design of any materials, that these are cleared by the LibreOffice design team before put to use. I have updated the page with the following: "This page lists third party (downloadable) logos that may be necessary for some marketing materials. NOTE: before adding any of these logos on any material, their license information should be considered and confirmed. Some of these licenses may be restrictive and must be observed. REMINDER: all designs must be confirmed and usage confirmed by the LibreOffice design team." Let me know if it should be worded differently. Cheers Marc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
