Re:How to treat trolls
>I'd like to ask others for advice. >As you may know, I'm maintaining the Fedora Project page at Google+. And >I have a problem with a troll :) >There is a guy who started posting a "WINDOWS 8 POWER!" message under >every post we have on our page. It's pretty much spamming and it leads >discussions on our page to unwanted directions because people of course >feed the troll. >I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would >harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think >it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction or should I >let him be and hope that he'll stop doing it (although he can do it for >months because it's nothing time taking)? >Jiri Hello jiri, I would wish you leave on the other people who are in that group.If they are enjoying and does not deviate the forum's topic,then according to me it's fine.Otherwise you have to delete the comments unless he will understand that spamming is not possible here and do warn him for posting trolls. Thank you, keshav :"keshavmishra"-- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: What events should NA Ambassadors target in 2013?
At last week's FAmNA meeting, the following events and/or event ideas were suggested: 1. Fedora at ComicCons - kk4ewt has been doing Fedora demos at a couple of Sci-fi cons 2. Would fedora be popular at hamfests? - Get a booth at Dayton Hamvention? [1] 3. Fedora at FreedomFest [2] - FreedomFest would also not be a booth event, more selling/promoting open source/fedora in a community that appreciates our values and work already 4. Fedora at Velocity [3] 5. Fedora at DevOpsDays [4] 6. Fedora at Ignite [5] Opinions? Additional recommendations? Cheers, Sarah [1] http://www.hamvention.org/ [2] http://freedomfest.com/ [3] http://velocityconf.com/velocity2012 [4] http://devopsdays.org/ [5] http://igniteshow.com/ On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Sarah White wrote: > * > Are there conferences or events in any of following categories that you > think Fedora should consider attending, sending swag to, sponsoring, > holding activities at, just keeping on our radar, etc.? > > DIY, Makers, Robotics > ARM, alternative devices, multitouch surfaces > DevOps > SysAdmins > Cloud > UX, UI > Developer platforms (Python, Ruby, JVM, Clojure, Web, etc) > Example: JavaOne http://www.oracle.com/javaone/index.html > Data and Data Distribution > Virtualization > Methodologies (Agile, TDD) > Example: Agile2013 http://agile2013.agilealliance.org/ > Community Organization, Processes, and Management > Government > Enterprise > Education > Documentation > Example: Open Help Conf http://openhelpconference.com/ > Project Management > Security > Game Development, Culture > Other > > Corresponding ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ticket/47 > * -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
> > They are not providing anything meaningfull to the discussion. If it > was even "I prefer windows 8 over fedora because..." that would be > great, but it's not. It's just mindless spam, IMHO. > Nicely said ;) You should just silently ban him. > +1 from me. -- - Uditha Bandara Wijerathna - -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:32:43AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:01:25 -0500 > Máirín Duffy wrote: > > > On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 15:30 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that > > > would harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. > > ...snip... > > Posting over and over "windows 8 power" is not a dialog or providing > any actual involvement, it's just spam. I'd say the same thing if some > Fedora user was posting "Fedora power" on all microsoft posts. > > > > > You should just silently ban him. > > +1. > > They are not providing anything meaningfull to the discussion. If it > was even "I prefer windows 8 over fedora because..." that would be > great, but it's not. It's just mindless spam, IMHO. +1 here too for the same reasons. -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 11:01:25 -0500 Máirín Duffy wrote: > On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 15:30 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that > > would harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. ...snip... Posting over and over "windows 8 power" is not a dialog or providing any actual involvement, it's just spam. I'd say the same thing if some Fedora user was posting "Fedora power" on all microsoft posts. > > You should just silently ban him. +1. They are not providing anything meaningfull to the discussion. If it was even "I prefer windows 8 over fedora because..." that would be great, but it's not. It's just mindless spam, IMHO. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On 18.12.2012 13:45, Gabriele Trombini wrote: > You're right, trolls like to be in the spotlight, but we have to show > our presence otherwise everything may appear allowed. > How we can do that? if the other "community" member take it either with humor or ignore him, he will disappear sooner - or if not he will disappear later ;) -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsi...@fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
You're right, trolls like to be in the spotlight, but we have to show our presence otherwise everything may appear allowed. How we can do that? Gabri Il giorno mar, 18/12/2012 alle 16.53 +0100, Joerg Simon ha scritto: > And IMHO, if you really have to block or ban him, do it with less > excitement around it as possible - because trolls are emotional > atrophied people and will love the fuss > > > cu Joerg -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On 18.12.2012 16:58, S.Kemter wrote: > Joerg it will be hard on google+ to come back with another identity ah, it is not - you just need a fake-email somewhere else to create it - but ... ok i made my point - going back in idle mode ;) -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsi...@fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On Tue, 2012-12-18 at 15:30 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. I used to struggle with this myself, but over time realized that there's a difference between censorship and stopping someone who is a repeat harasser. E.g., at least in the US, you have a right to free speech but you can't scream 'Fire' in a movie theater that is not on fire, that just causes trouble and hardship for others. You have to weigh the right this person has to cause trouble against the right of others to peacefully function in the community who would be driven away from the trouble he causes. The folks who would be driven away by his behavior do have rights as well. You should just silently ban him. ~m -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
Hi, 2012/12/18 Joerg Simon > On 18.12.2012 13:12, Gabriele Trombini wrote: > > Hi, > > banning is not a good way IMHO. > > If you begin to ban, for any reason, people can think that this is your > > way to handle issues when you're in trouble. > > I prefer the admin makes a public advice, pointing out that he's a > > troll, telling him that next posts will be erased if he will not stop. > > again, banning in social media is different from other eco-systems - and > is normally not a good way - because this gives them a challenge to come > back and it gives them too much attention ;) - i think we give him too > much attention already ;) > > And IMHO, if you really have to block or ban him, do it with less > excitement around it as possible - because trolls are emotional > atrophied people and will love the fuss > Joerg it will be hard on google+ to come back with another identity br gnokii > > > cu Joerg > -- > Joerg (kital) Simon > jsi...@fedoraproject.org > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon > http://kitall.blogspot.com > Key Fingerprint: > 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 > > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On 18.12.2012 13:12, Gabriele Trombini wrote: > Hi, > banning is not a good way IMHO. > If you begin to ban, for any reason, people can think that this is your > way to handle issues when you're in trouble. > I prefer the admin makes a public advice, pointing out that he's a > troll, telling him that next posts will be erased if he will not stop. again, banning in social media is different from other eco-systems - and is normally not a good way - because this gives them a challenge to come back and it gives them too much attention ;) - i think we give him too much attention already ;) And IMHO, if you really have to block or ban him, do it with less excitement around it as possible - because trolls are emotional atrophied people and will love the fuss cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsi...@fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
Hi, banning is not a good way IMHO. If you begin to ban, for any reason, people can think that this is your way to handle issues when you're in trouble. I prefer the admin makes a public advice, pointing out that he's a troll, telling him that next posts will be erased if he will not stop. Gabri Il giorno mar, 18/12/2012 alle 15.30 +0100, Jiri Eischmann ha scritto: [cut] > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think > it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction or should I > let him be and hope that he'll stop doing it (although he can do it for > months because it's nothing time taking)? > > Jiri Hi, banning is not a good way IMHO. If you begin to ban, for any reason, people can think that this is your way to handle issues when you're in trouble. I prefer the admin makes a public advice pointing out that he's a troll and telling him that next posts will be erased if he will not stop. Gabri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
- Original Message - > From: "Matthew Miller" > To: "Fedora Marketing team" > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 9:57:23 PM > Subject: Re: How to treat trolls > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 03:30:51PM +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that > > would harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. > > Do you think > > Ban him. This isn't censorship, because the troll isn't taking part > in any sort of dialog. It just hijacks the real conversation. If he > wants to have a Windows 8 fan club on Google+, that's fine. +1. Ban him. We did that in a lot of similar cases in our local community. It would not harm our reputation because of banning such that trolls. Kind regards, Tuan -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On 18.12.2012 15:30, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think > it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction i would not start troll hunting - mostly they feel challenged and come back with another identity from what i can see the responses from other community members are healthy and as long as there is no legal violation it will regulate naturally cu Joerg -- Joerg (kital) Simon jsi...@fedoraproject.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon http://kitall.blogspot.com Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think > it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction or should I > let him be and hope that he'll stop doing it (although he can do it for > months because it's nothing time taking)? I think you can: a. delete his comments b. warn him privately that we will take further actions if he persists c. ban/report him if everything else fail -- Gianluca Sforna http://morefedora.blogspot.com http://identi.ca/giallu - http://twitter.com/giallu -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 03:30:51PM +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think Ban him. This isn't censorship, because the troll isn't taking part in any sort of dialog. It just hijacks the real conversation. If he wants to have a Windows 8 fan club on Google+, that's fine. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: How to treat trolls
I manage the India page on Google plus and trolls are a big problem there too. You should message him privately, if he still doesn't respond then ban him. Do not report him as that may be a problem. On 18 Dec 2012 20:01, "Jiri Eischmann" wrote: > Hi, > I'd like to ask others for advice. > As you may know, I'm maintaining the Fedora Project page at Google+. And > I have a problem with a troll :) > There is a guy who started posting a "WINDOWS 8 POWER!" message under > every post we have on our page. It's pretty much spamming and it leads > discussions on our page to unwanted directions because people of course > feed the troll. > > I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would > harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think > it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction or should I > let him be and hope that he'll stop doing it (although he can do it for > months because it's nothing time taking)? > > Jiri > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
How to treat trolls
Hi, I'd like to ask others for advice. As you may know, I'm maintaining the Fedora Project page at Google+. And I have a problem with a troll :) There is a guy who started posting a "WINDOWS 8 POWER!" message under every post we have on our page. It's pretty much spamming and it leads discussions on our page to unwanted directions because people of course feed the troll. I'm considering to ban him, but I don't want to do anything that would harm our reputation of open and censorship-free community. Do you think it crosses the line and banning is an appropriate reaction or should I let him be and hope that he'll stop doing it (although he can do it for months because it's nothing time taking)? Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
