[Marketing] Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

[James Hogarth]

On 15 June 2016 at 22:07, Paul W. Frields  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 09:08:35AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 17:08 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 19:26 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > > So I was rather surprised by this Softpaedia article today:
> > > >
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/snap-packages-become-the-universal-bin
> > > > ary-format-for-all-gnu-linux-distributions-505241.shtml
> > > > It claims that Canonical state that they have been working with
> > > > Fedora developers to make this the universal packaging format.
> > > > The snapcraft.io site instructions say to use a COPR by a Canonical
> > > > employee who is not a Fedora packager.
> > > > Does anyone in marketing or development now what the article is
> > > > referring to and what's going on?
> > >
> > > Snappy fundamentally relies on apparmour to do confinement (i.e. it
> > > doesn't use filesystem namespaces like flatpak), how does this work on
> > > fedora? You can't use selinux and apparmour at the same time, so this
> > > shouldn't be able to work, unless they disable the containment feature.
> >
> > Right now, apparently, their install instructions tell you to disable
> > SELinux.
>
> Permissive mode is what they require:
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zyga/snapcore/
>
>
>
In terms of security of the system that's effectively the same as disabling.

There's no need to differentiate in this context.
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[Marketing] Marketing Weekly Meeting Recap 2016-06-15

[Justin W. Flory]

Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 21:56:37 2016 UTC.
Minutes: 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-06-15/marketing.2016-06-15-20.57.html
Minutes (text): 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-06-15/marketing.2016-06-15-20.57.txt
Log: 
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-06-15/marketing.2016-06-15-20.57.log.html


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#fedora-meeting-1: Fedora Marketing meeting (2016-06-15)



Meeting started by jflory7 at 20:57:59 UTC. The full logs are available
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Meeting summary
---
* Roll Call  (jflory7, 20:58:11)
  * Name; Timezone; Other sub-projects / interest areas  (jflory7,
20:58:19)
  * Justin W. Flory; UTC-4; Marketing / Magazine, CommOps, Ambassadors,
Infrastructure-fi, Join, Diversity, etc.  (jflory7, 20:59:05)

* Announcements  (jflory7, 21:05:01)
  * === Last week: Fedora 24 no-go, delayed to June 21 ===  (jflory7,
21:05:03)
  * LINK:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/de...@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CCPEFDBYMHBNLTNG2CC57KUBBQOO67RD/
(jflory7, 21:05:08)
  * Due to a remaining blocker bug in F24, the release has been delayed
by one week to June 21st, 2016. If all goes well, we should be back
again here next week with a new Fedora release on our hands.
(jflory7, 21:05:14)
  * === Events coming soon: Red Hat Summit, Flock ===  (jflory7,
21:05:19)
  * LINK: https://www.redhat.com/en/summit   (jflory7, 21:05:23)
  * LINK: https://flocktofedora.org/   (jflory7, 21:05:28)
  * Two upcoming events on the Fedora calendar are Red Hat Summit (June
27-29) and Flock, Fedora's annual contributor conference (August
2-5).  (jflory7, 21:05:35)

* Action items from last meetings  (jflory7, 21:08:46)
  * LINK:

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2016-06-08/marketing.2016-06-08-20.57.html
(jflory7, 21:08:52)
  * === decause Open a ticket on Council Trac for Python Marketing
Objective request ===  (jflory7, 21:08:58)
  * ACTION: decause Open a ticket on Council Trac for Python Marketing
Objective request  (jflory7, 21:11:30)
  * === [COMPLETE] jflory7 Post to Marketing list asking for opinions
and thoughts on next steps to finalize Friends of Fedora proposal
===  (jflory7, 21:11:36)
  * LINK:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/DCIQXI4T7YCCUUUIOJ2GOQW7N47OCWEQ/
(jflory7, 21:11:43)

* Tickets  (jflory7, 21:12:08)
  * === Ticket #227 ===  (jflory7, 21:12:15)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/227   (jflory7,
21:12:19)
  * "Create the release announcement for Fedora 24"  (jflory7, 21:12:26)
  * LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_general_release_announcement
(jflory7, 21:13:59)
  * AGREED: bkp working on penning release announcement, received
feedback from decause, mattdm, and jzb. Stay tuned for the final
announcement next Tuesday!  (jflory7, 21:25:23)
  * === Ticket #222 ===  (jflory7, 21:29:39)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/222   (jflory7,
21:29:44)
  * "Publicizing "Fedora affiliates" (or groups using Fedora)"
(jflory7, 21:29:49)
  * LINK: https://friends.fedoraproject.org/lulzbot or something like
that  (decause, 21:35:44)
  * IDEA: Propose the creation of a website for this with the Websites
Team (e.g. friends.fedoraproject.org)  (jflory7, 21:36:45)
  * IDEA: Take a "template" organization, say Lulzbot, and create an
example "page" of all the fields to fill in on their profile with
blurbs provided from the partner  (jflory7, 21:37:26)
  * IDEA: Once a ticket is populated with info, can assign to CommOps
and try tackling a page at a time  (jflory7, 21:37:54)
  * ACTION: jflory7 Work on creating an initial "template" draft for
Friends of Fedora websites example  (jflory7, 21:39:27)
  * LINK:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Scratch/Affiliates#Becoming_a_Friend_of_Fedora
(jflory7, 21:40:30)
  * === Ticket #226 ===  (jflory7, 21:42:39)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/ticket/226   (jflory7,
21:42:44)
  * "Screenshots for Fedora 24"  (jflory7, 21:42:49)
  * ACTION: jflory7 Follow up with linuxmodder about the last round of
screenshots for F24 on KDE and Xfce  (jflory7, 21:45:06)

* Upcoming Tasks  (jflory7, 21:46:22)
  * LINK:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-marketing-tasks.html
(jflory7, 21:46:28)
  * (1) Final Release Public Availability (GA) (Tue 2016-06-21)
(jflory7, 21:46:34)
  * (2) Marketing Retrospective (due: Tue 2016-07-05)  (jflory7,
21:46:40)

* Open Floor  (jflory7, 21:48:00)
  * LINK: http://imgur.com/pTN3rAu   (decause, 21:52:26)

Meeting ended at 21:56:37 UTC.




Action Items

* decause Open a ticket 

[Marketing] Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 09:08:35AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 17:08 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 19:26 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> > > So I was rather surprised by this Softpaedia article today:
> > > http://news.softpedia.com/news/snap-packages-become-the-universal-bin
> > > ary-format-for-all-gnu-linux-distributions-505241.shtml
> > > It claims that Canonical state that they have been working with
> > > Fedora developers to make this the universal packaging format.
> > > The snapcraft.io site instructions say to use a COPR by a Canonical
> > > employee who is not a Fedora packager.
> > > Does anyone in marketing or development now what the article is
> > > referring to and what's going on?
> > 
> > Snappy fundamentally relies on apparmour to do confinement (i.e. it
> > doesn't use filesystem namespaces like flatpak), how does this work on
> > fedora? You can't use selinux and apparmour at the same time, so this
> > shouldn't be able to work, unless they disable the containment feature.
> 
> Right now, apparently, their install instructions tell you to disable
> SELinux.

Permissive mode is what they require:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zyga/snapcore/

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[Marketing] Re: Fedora Affiliates

[Justin W. Flory]

On 05/25/2016 01:06 PM, ekoikhyar wrote:

Pada tanggal 26 Mei 2016 00.53, "Eduard Lucena" mailto:eduardluc...@gmail.com>> menulis:


I think "Friends of Fedora" is a good name, and the Hashtag

#WeAreFedora to use in Social Networks look pretty cool.

+1 sound good for
"Friends of Fedora" for a name, and the Hashtag #WeAreFedora to use in
Social Networks (y)


Br,

2016-05-25 12:21 GMT-04:00 Sylvia Sánchez 
>:



"We are Fedora"  is the best in my opinion.

Cheers,
Sylvia

On Wednesday, 25 May 2016, Justin W. Flory 
> wrote:


On 05/20/2016 10:44 AM, Jared K. Smith wrote:



On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:03 PM, James Bishop 


>> wrote:

Over the past several weeks, the marketing team has been

working on a

way to publicize "Fedora Affiliates", or projects that are

using Fedora

as part of their work.


I think this idea is fantastic, but I'm a little concerned about the
name "affiliate".  That word is often used to represent a financial
relationship between a company and another person or company who helps
the first company get more sales in exchange for a percentage of the
sale.  Since there's no financial relationship here, might it make

sense

to look for a different name to describe the relationship?

-Jared



I think that's a valid concern. An alternative that immediately

comes to mind is "Friends of Fedora", but I'm not sure if that's too
cliché or if it's been used in the past. It might also make sense to do
this to tie it into our Four Foundations too.


Some other alternative names could be...

* Partners (maybe the same problem)
* #FedoraLive (or something similar, insinuating Fedora being "live"

in the field)

* #WeAreFedora (taking from #WeAreRedHat a little, empowering people

/ organizations using Fedora)


Just a few ideas. Let me know if any of these sound better!



Hey all,

Wanted to bring this topic back up to the forefront. I think we've 
reached a stable point for this proposal thanks to the work of James for 
writing these up.


In our last meeting two weeks ago, we were wanting to take the next 
steps towards turning this proposal into reality. In terms of finding 
the next steps to make, I was curious to know what some of the other 
Marketing members might think how we should go about doing this. Do we 
want to do a trial run of sorts for this and pull in other groups that 
may want to be involved, like the Ambassadors? Did we agree who should 
maintain responsibility over handling interactions and relationships 
with the Friends of Fedora?


Wanting to see how we can take the next steps towards turning this into 
reality. THanks all!


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[Marketing] Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2016-06-15 at 17:08 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-06-14 at 19:26 +0100, James Hogarth wrote:
> > So I was rather surprised by this Softpaedia article today:
> > http://news.softpedia.com/news/snap-packages-become-the-universal-bin
> > ary-format-for-all-gnu-linux-distributions-505241.shtml
> > It claims that Canonical state that they have been working with
> > Fedora developers to make this the universal packaging format.
> > The snapcraft.io site instructions say to use a COPR by a Canonical
> > employee who is not a Fedora packager.
> > Does anyone in marketing or development now what the article is
> > referring to and what's going on?
> 
> Snappy fundamentally relies on apparmour to do confinement (i.e. it
> doesn't use filesystem namespaces like flatpak), how does this work on
> fedora? You can't use selinux and apparmour at the same time, so this
> shouldn't be able to work, unless they disable the containment feature.

Right now, apparently, their install instructions tell you to disable
SELinux.
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[Marketing] [Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Magazine editorial board

[pfrields]

Dear all,

You are kindly invited to the meeting:
   Magazine editorial board on 2016-06-16 from 17:00:00 to 18:00:00 
America/New_York
   At fedora-meet...@irc.freenode.net

The meeting will be about:
This meeting is for editors of the [Fedora Magazine](http://fedoramagazine.org) 
site. The agenda primarily consists of deciding, assigning, and scheduling 
posts for the upcoming weeks.

More information available at:
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine)


Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/2876/

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[Marketing] Re: [Magazine] Tip for using the Molot font in featured images

[Justin W. Flory]

On 06/15/2016 12:05 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote:

There are a number of us who help with featured images on the Magazine
articles.  The images help the articles look attractive on social
media and invite people to visit and read.

Here's a tip for using the Molot font in your images.  I picked this
tip up silently from Ryan, by looking at some of his work.

I typically use Molot for emphasizing words in a technically focused
post, or for very important text.  Molot's default spacing is really
wide -- abnormally so, in a way that doesn't look very attractive
IMHO.

When I use Molot for more than one word on a line, I use Inkscape's
word spacing tools to *reduce* the between-word spacing to a more
reasonable size.  It makes the headline look more attractive.  For
this reason, I also use Molot sparingly.

That being said, this is just my $0.02 and I'm very happy to see that
other folks are helping pitch in with featured images.  Nice work
everyone!



This is super useful feedback - thanks for sharing! Will keep in mind 
when working on any future featured images. :)


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[Marketing] [Magazine] Tip for using the Molot font in featured images

[Paul W. Frields]

There are a number of us who help with featured images on the Magazine
articles.  The images help the articles look attractive on social
media and invite people to visit and read.

Here's a tip for using the Molot font in your images.  I picked this
tip up silently from Ryan, by looking at some of his work.

I typically use Molot for emphasizing words in a technically focused
post, or for very important text.  Molot's default spacing is really
wide -- abnormally so, in a way that doesn't look very attractive
IMHO.

When I use Molot for more than one word on a line, I use Inkscape's
word spacing tools to *reduce* the between-word spacing to a more
reasonable size.  It makes the headline look more attractive.  For
this reason, I also use Molot sparingly.

That being said, this is just my $0.02 and I'm very happy to see that
other folks are helping pitch in with featured images.  Nice work
everyone!

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[Marketing] Re: Marketing-trac: #224: Requesting account permissions change

[Marketing Team]

#224: Requesting  account permissions change
--+-
  Reporter:  linuxmodder  |  Owner:  linuxmodder
  Type:  task | Status:  closed
  Priority:  normal   |  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Internal operations  |   Severity:  not urgent
Resolution:  completed|   Keywords:
Blocked By:   |   Blocking:
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Changes (by jflory7):

 * milestone:  Open => Fedora 23


Comment:

 Forgot to mark this ticket from "open" to the right milestone it was
 completed under, "Fedora 23"… sorry for the extra email.

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[Marketing] Re: Marketing-trac: #223: Create Social Media Accounts for Fedora on Diaspora and GNU Social

[Marketing Team]

#223: Create Social Media Accounts for Fedora on Diaspora and GNU Social
---+
  Reporter:  dhanvi|  Owner:  bproffit
  Type:  enhancement   | Status:  closed
  Priority:  normal|  Milestone:  Fedora 23
 Component:  Social media  |   Severity:  not urgent
Resolution:  completed |   Keywords:
Blocked By:|   Blocking:
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 * milestone:  Open => Fedora 23


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 completed under, "Fedora 23"… sorry for the extra email.

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[Marketing] Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 05:08:07PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> Snappy fundamentally relies on apparmour to do confinement (i.e. it
> doesn't use filesystem namespaces like flatpak), how does this work on
> fedora? You can't use selinux and apparmour at the same time, so this
> shouldn't be able to work, unless they disable the containment feature.

As I understand it, that's exactly what they do — there's a new
"--disable-confinement" flag which is used¹. Additionally the COPR
instructions² ask users to switch SELinux to permissive mode for F24
(but note that "this restriction will be lifted later).


1. 
http://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/zyga/snapcore/snap-confine.git/tree/snap-confine.spec?id=09ccbb9f0537e2f519b18c8d8ef5613f1cabf5cc
2. https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/zyga/snapcore/

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[Marketing] Re: Fedora development of Snap packages

[Josh Boyer]

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chris Murphy  wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Josh Boyer 
> wrot:e
>>
>> How do you plan on addressing the problem reporting issue?  In your
>> example, the Inkscape package will still exist in RPM form for other
>> Editions.  That means there are potentially two versions of Inkscape,
>> one from upstream and one packaged in Fedora.  How do you ensure
>> problem reports are routed to the correct issue tracker?
>
>
> Something Flatpak, or any other packaging method, could make easier for
> developers and users is integrating an in-app bug reporting mechanism.

That is a thing that could be done.

> The packager chooses which (and possibly more than one) bug tracking system
> to use and bakes that into the application in a way that abstracts the user
> from this very long standing mess. So upstream packaged applications would
> behind the scene submit the bug to the upstream preferred bug reporting
> system; and Fedora packages applications to RHBZ or upstream or both.

One of the issues with this idea is scale.  It requires app developers
to do this.  Not every app developer will do this.  Which means the
distributions are still going to have to solve this problem.

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[Marketing] Hosting Fedora Test Day [Review]

[Sumantro Mukherjee]

Hey All, 

As we are coming closer to release , many of us will like to test Fedora 25 and 
run test days . I have created a walk through of the whole process which will 
be helpful to host one 
https://fedoramagazine.org/hosting-fedora-testday/ ‎
Could someone review it?

Thanks
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