Re: Fedora marketing is dead
In data giovedì 27 marzo 2014 08:51:49, Ruth Suehle ha scritto: > > In my mind we need this steps: > What this list actually could use, as has been alluded to, would be more > people who say "I will do this" instead of "somebody should do this." THAT > is what would help Fedora. Good point Ruth, but there are some obstacles that have to be passed. 1) Well, I don't know the state in other countries, but here (talkin' about Italy) I collided against a wall in each the two times I tried to get in touch with RH. No answer and when I got an answer it was, more or less, "go on, then we'll see". University, school, institutional entities etc. don't listen the proposals of a few Ambassador without hooks inside (that's why I was requesting some help from RH). So Ambassador volunteers have to find someone that can introduce them inside the institutions before doing their job. It's a closed road for me, unless Fedora Marketing moves as a real entity. 2) I can do that, depending on the general coordinator, but there is at least an ambassador for each country able to do that? A contributor should be enough but is there a db with press contacts?. At last: 3) Please do; and if you need any help let me know, I'm available. But mktg people use going in and out, depending on their job, family and anything else so I don't think there are people enough. The first problem is to involve people into marketing so we have to make the group very interesting at all. And we can't do that without a common strategy . About my contribution, yes you're right and I feel guilty, I said:"but few of them are really involved (and this is a criticism to myself, because I'm doing really nothing for the team, in these days)"). Gabri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
> In my mind we need this steps: > What this list actually could use, as has been alluded to, would be more people who say "I will do this" instead of "somebody should do this." THAT is what would help Fedora. -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
Good morning, let me answer quoting your points: In data giovedì 27 marzo 2014 00:53:27, Giuseppe Pignataro ha scritto: > Hi malga, > Marketing have to port people to know the distro. And the ambassadors have > to speak about the philosophy and the idea of Fedora. > > An ambassador can contacting few people. Marketing with the power of the > Web can contact million of people. Yes, that's why I said marketing team works on a higher level, giving tools to ambassadors and keep in touch with worldwide media (press, TV etc.). It's not a easy way of doing; it needs a db with contacts and, overall, find this contacts. In my mind we need this steps: 1) find a contact in each country who has in turn contacts with local media, an ambassador or other people (local RH offices?), local contributors know very well the real situation in their countries; 2) find people who translate in their native language the marketing statements (an ambassador?); 3) set up a group of fedora contributors in order to help the "central" marketing team on holding contact with local entities (this doesn't means replace Famsco which coordinates ambassador activity). > > The ambassadors are making a good work, but the problem is that they speak > only on event that are dedicated to linux or directly to software. > > My sister don't go to a Foss. But she have a PC. > > What we have to do with that people? > > We have to ignore them? > > This isn't a good marketing strategy. Yes, this is right and I would love change this "status quo", but without a organisation like the one I explained before, we can't do that. There are a lot of people into mktg team (you can easily take a look) but few of them are really involved (and this is a criticism to myself, because I'm doing really nothing for the team, in these days), so the first issue to solve is finding contributors. At last I know that Famsco is doing a awesome work producing swag, but ideas for them IMHO are complement of the marketing strategy along with design team. Obviously we should find more contributors for the fedmag. This is only my 2 cents, don't kill me :-D. Gabri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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Hi malga, Marketing have to port people to know the distro. And the ambassadors have to speak about the philosophy and the idea of Fedora. An ambassador can contacting few people. Marketing with the power of the Web can contact million of people. The ambassadors are making a good work, but the problem is that they speak only on event that are dedicated to linux or directly to software. My sister don't go to a Foss. But she have a PC. What we have to do with that people? We have to ignore them? This isn't a good marketing strategy. For me marketing is to trying to sell a product or an idea to the folks. And as now I can see Ubuntu for know have make a good job. IMHO Giuseppe Il 26/mar/2014 00:49 "Mailga" ha scritto: > Hi Giuseppe, yes, there's a lot of work to do, but I think marketing has > to be at an higher level than the contact with users. > > Contacting users is an ambassadors job, and ambassadors have to be > supported by the marketing. > > Maybe we can talk about the job of an ambassador joining the mktg group > without mixing skills; sometimes people don't have a clear idea about > difference between this two groups. > > IMHO > > > ___ > Gabriele Trombini > Fedora Ambassador > FedoraOnLine staff member > > > Il giorno 25/mar/2014, alle ore 23:23, Giuseppe Pignataro < > anubistea...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > > Hi Gabriele, > > > > I respect the work made by the team. My idea was not to offend the hard > > work made by the team. I have made the title a "little" flame because I > > believe we have more to do. > > > > We need to be more viral, it's my opinion. We need more "normal" user > > and not only the people that go to the FOSS or Computer events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno mar, 25/03/2014 alle 22.54 +0100, Mailga ha scritto: > >> Hello Giuseppe, > >> I'm following this topic with interest thinking about your words. > >> > >> > >> I'm an ambassador and I completely agree with Giannis. > >> > >> > >> I worked a bit with Mitzie, Chris and Joe, talkin' with them and Ruth > >> in the meetings and I can say that they are open minded. > >> So I mean is that the magazine is not the only working way into the > >> team. Yes, it's important but there's a lot of other areas to work. > >> I understand what you're referring to and if you think there's > >> something you wanna change or make it better just work on all the > >> marketing things; everything can be changed from the inside. > >> Marketing people is doing a great and hard work, please respect this > >> fact. > >> > >> > >> Hope to see you soon. > >> > >> ___ > >> Gabriele Trombini > >> Fedora Ambassador > >> FedoraOnLine staff member > > > > > > > > -- > > marketing mailing list > > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
Hi Sean, Yes this is one of the thing. The EOL of XP is a good start. The normal Ubuntu is to heavy and the Ubuntu community now is speaking to change XP for lubuntu. Fedora aren't now make a campaign with this idea. Some bank in America are paying Microsoft to maintain the security support. But other no. This can be a good campaign. Windows 8 isn't selling good and this can be another perfect point to trying to get people to the fedora project. I take care your suggestion for swot page. This is one of the basic thing to know. Yes I understand that for all the open source project isn't good to make war each other. But we really need to have more users. Canonical and all the Ubuntu community are making a very good marketing campaigns. Fedora is a very good distro and have the latest technology, but people knows more Ubuntu not because it's a best distro but because more peoples speaking about it. That's the truth. More user more developer more idea. Only with some of the ideas of Fedora next we are really 10 years forward all the other distro. But who know this? Not only windows 8 have problems with their interface. There are many people that don't like unity. We can take this people and carry on fedora. Il 26/mar/2014 23:50 "Sean DALY" ha scritto: > Giuseppe - I understand where you are coming from, perhaps I can make a > suggestion - update the Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats page > [1]. SWOT analysis is an excellent method for developing communications and > marketing strategy. > > You mentioned "war" on Ubuntu, but I disagree that Ubuntu or indeed any > other GNU/Linux distro is a threat. The traditional threat to Fedora (and > any other distro) has been Microsoft Windows with its over 90% market > share. I believe that anyone understanding the basics of a GNU/Linux system > will at some point become curious about Fedora - it's far more of a barrier > to make a first jump to a distro if one only knows Windows. > > There is however a new threat, and which caught even Microsoft off guard: > the form factor sea change from general-purpose PCs to handheld devices > (tablets/smartphones) in the past three years, which killed off netbooks > and are rapidly shrinking the PC market [2]. Microsoft which marketed its > "familiarity" and "compatibility" during the netbook boom (which began with > preinstalled Linux distros) has responded with the tile interface, > confusing traditional Widows users and I daresay leaving them open to other > suggestions. > > Which brings us to a fabulous opportunity: the official end-of-life of > Windows XP (and its chief application suite, Office 2003) in 12 days [3]. > It has been estimated that there are roughly 500 to 600 million (!) PCs > connected to the Internet running XP [4] and the tech publications are all > running guides now outlining options for XP users. This is a great moment > for a press campaign describing how easy it is to upgrade to Fedora, the > security benefits, examples of Office 2003 compatibility, etc. > > Sean. > > > 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SWOT > 2. http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2647517 > 3. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx > 4. > http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=M > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Giuseppe Pignataro < > anubistea...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ok folks now I have your attention. >> >> We have to start to make some noise about Fedora. >> >> We don't have the basics things,that are the minimum to start. >> >> First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. >> >> I have tried to search fedora on Facebook and this >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-informatica/655798371147619 >> and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181 >> >> are the only things that came out. >> >> We need an official facebook page,have you seen the ubuntu page on >> facebook https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux >> 978k people liked that page. >> >> This can be first part of the war. >> >> Google+ and all the other social can have the official page and the >> official account. >> >> We need to start to make war at ubuntu, on the web there are 1000 about >> Ubuntu vs 10 about fedora.(The number isn't really this but it's to give >> you an idea.) >> >> We have to change the way that people see fedora. When I speak with >> someone that are new to Linux world they say me that "Ubuntu is simple". >> Ubuntu is a distro for users and if they now fedora they say me that >> fedora is for engineer or for people that really know Linux. We have to >> change this idea. >> >> We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to >> install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine >> firstly. >> >> The problem, as I can see,is that the Fedora community is to close in >> himself. >> >> If we can't change this we are out of the game. >> >> >> >>
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Giuseppe - I understand where you are coming from, perhaps I can make a suggestion - update the Strengths/Weaknesses/Opportunities/Threats page [1]. SWOT analysis is an excellent method for developing communications and marketing strategy. You mentioned "war" on Ubuntu, but I disagree that Ubuntu or indeed any other GNU/Linux distro is a threat. The traditional threat to Fedora (and any other distro) has been Microsoft Windows with its over 90% market share. I believe that anyone understanding the basics of a GNU/Linux system will at some point become curious about Fedora - it's far more of a barrier to make a first jump to a distro if one only knows Windows. There is however a new threat, and which caught even Microsoft off guard: the form factor sea change from general-purpose PCs to handheld devices (tablets/smartphones) in the past three years, which killed off netbooks and are rapidly shrinking the PC market [2]. Microsoft which marketed its "familiarity" and "compatibility" during the netbook boom (which began with preinstalled Linux distros) has responded with the tile interface, confusing traditional Widows users and I daresay leaving them open to other suggestions. Which brings us to a fabulous opportunity: the official end-of-life of Windows XP (and its chief application suite, Office 2003) in 12 days [3]. It has been estimated that there are roughly 500 to 600 million (!) PCs connected to the Internet running XP [4] and the tech publications are all running guides now outlining options for XP users. This is a great moment for a press campaign describing how easy it is to upgrade to Fedora, the security benefits, examples of Office 2003 compatibility, etc. Sean. 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SWOT 2. http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2647517 3. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx 4. http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0&qptimeframe=M On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Giuseppe Pignataro wrote: > Ok folks now I have your attention. > > We have to start to make some noise about Fedora. > > We don't have the basics things,that are the minimum to start. > > First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. > > I have tried to search fedora on Facebook and this > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-informatica/655798371147619 > and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181 > > are the only things that came out. > > We need an official facebook page,have you seen the ubuntu page on > facebook https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux > 978k people liked that page. > > This can be first part of the war. > > Google+ and all the other social can have the official page and the > official account. > > We need to start to make war at ubuntu, on the web there are 1000 about > Ubuntu vs 10 about fedora.(The number isn't really this but it's to give > you an idea.) > > We have to change the way that people see fedora. When I speak with > someone that are new to Linux world they say me that "Ubuntu is simple". > Ubuntu is a distro for users and if they now fedora they say me that > fedora is for engineer or for people that really know Linux. We have to > change this idea. > > We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to > install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine > firstly. > > The problem, as I can see,is that the Fedora community is to close in > himself. > > If we can't change this we are out of the game. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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Giuseppe Pignataro píše v Út 25. 03. 2014 v 19:40 +0100: > Ok folks now I have your attention. > > We have to start to make some noise about Fedora. > > We don't have the basics things,that are the minimum to start. > > First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. > > I have tried to search fedora on Facebook and this > https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-informatica/655798371147619 > and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181 > > are the only things that came out. > > We need an official facebook page,have you seen the ubuntu page on > facebook https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux > 978k people liked that page. > > This can be first part of the war. > > Google+ and all the other social can have the official page and the > official account. Hi, speaking of Facebook, it has become a really bad platform to promote recently. As Ruth already pointed out we do have an official page. Within a year after it became an official page we increased the fan base from 25k to 40k. But Facebook changed the way fan page's posts are shown on user's news feed. Our messages reach significantly lower number of people now. The increase of new fans has literally stopped. While we got 15k new members in one year, we only got 250 new members in the last 4 months! Before the change our messages easily reached 10-15k people while now it's around 2k (compare the number with our 40k fan base). Of course, when I'm advised all around to pay for the messages to reach more people. So it's all about monetization. I'm saying this so that you don't get high hopes for Facebook. It's not a good, effective platform to promote your thing unless you want to pay for it (to get the same amount of reached people as before we would have to pay ~$25 for each message). Jiri -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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Hi Giuseppe, yes, there's a lot of work to do, but I think marketing has to be at an higher level than the contact with users. Contacting users is an ambassadors job, and ambassadors have to be supported by the marketing. Maybe we can talk about the job of an ambassador joining the mktg group without mixing skills; sometimes people don't have a clear idea about difference between this two groups. IMHO ___ Gabriele Trombini Fedora Ambassador FedoraOnLine staff member > Il giorno 25/mar/2014, alle ore 23:23, Giuseppe Pignataro > ha scritto: > > Hi Gabriele, > > I respect the work made by the team. My idea was not to offend the hard > work made by the team. I have made the title a "little" flame because I > believe we have more to do. > > We need to be more viral, it's my opinion. We need more "normal" user > and not only the people that go to the FOSS or Computer events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno mar, 25/03/2014 alle 22.54 +0100, Mailga ha scritto: >> Hello Giuseppe, >> I'm following this topic with interest thinking about your words. >> >> >> I'm an ambassador and I completely agree with Giannis. >> >> >> I worked a bit with Mitzie, Chris and Joe, talkin' with them and Ruth >> in the meetings and I can say that they are open minded. >> So I mean is that the magazine is not the only working way into the >> team. Yes, it's important but there's a lot of other areas to work. >> I understand what you're referring to and if you think there's >> something you wanna change or make it better just work on all the >> marketing things; everything can be changed from the inside. >> Marketing people is doing a great and hard work, please respect this >> fact. >> >> >> Hope to see you soon. >> >> ___ >> Gabriele Trombini >> Fedora Ambassador >> FedoraOnLine staff member > > > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
Hi Gabriele, I respect the work made by the team. My idea was not to offend the hard work made by the team. I have made the title a "little" flame because I believe we have more to do. We need to be more viral, it's my opinion. We need more "normal" user and not only the people that go to the FOSS or Computer events. Il giorno mar, 25/03/2014 alle 22.54 +0100, Mailga ha scritto: > Hello Giuseppe, > I'm following this topic with interest thinking about your words. > > > I'm an ambassador and I completely agree with Giannis. > > > I worked a bit with Mitzie, Chris and Joe, talkin' with them and Ruth > in the meetings and I can say that they are open minded. > So I mean is that the magazine is not the only working way into the > team. Yes, it's important but there's a lot of other areas to work. > I understand what you're referring to and if you think there's > something you wanna change or make it better just work on all the > marketing things; everything can be changed from the inside. > Marketing people is doing a great and hard work, please respect this > fact. > > > Hope to see you soon. > > ___ > Gabriele Trombini > Fedora Ambassador > FedoraOnLine staff member > -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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2014-03-25 18:33 GMT-03:00 Giuseppe Pignataro : > I understand your position and I think the marketing team have made a good > work. But I believe that we need a little more to make difference. > > But more people need to know this and spread the word. > I agree one hundred percent with you. That's why I gave 16 talks about Fedora only between August and December, last year, apart from attending as much FOSS/computer events as I could in order to promote Fedora. Try learning more about the Marketing team, attending the meetings every Wednesday and looking for new ways on how to promote Fedora. Maybe, it's not the team that hasn't done enough, it's you that are not up to date with what the team has done. Best regards, -- Marcel Ribeiro Dantas, Biomedical Engineering Researcher at LAIS Laboratory for Technological Innovation in Healthcare (LAIS-HUOL) Free Software Advocate - "An idea is only knowledge, when shared." http://mribeirodantas.fedorapeople.org mribeirodantas at fedoraproject.org mribeirodantas at lais.huol.ufrn.br -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
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Hello Giuseppe, I'm following this topic with interest thinking about your words. I'm an ambassador and I completely agree with Giannis. I worked a bit with Mitzie, Chris and Joe, talkin' with them and Ruth in the meetings and I can say that they are open minded. So I mean is that the magazine is not the only working way into the team. Yes, it's important but there's a lot of other areas to work. I understand what you're referring to and if you think there's something you wanna change or make it better just work on all the marketing things; everything can be changed from the inside. Marketing people is doing a great and hard work, please respect this fact. Hope to see you soon. ___ Gabriele Trombini Fedora Ambassador FedoraOnLine staff member > Il giorno 25/mar/2014, alle ore 22:33, Giuseppe Pignataro > ha scritto: > > Hi Giannis and all the others, > Thanks for yours contribution. > I know that I have exaggerated on the title and on what I have writed. > I understand your position and I think the marketing team have made a good > work. But I believe that we need a little more to make difference. > > More marketing strategies are needed. I see marketing as a little "war". This > is nothing about flame or by disapproving what good the marketing team have > made. > > I like the same core values that you like of Fedora. > > But more people need to know this and spread the word. > > > > > Il 25/mar/2014 22:11 "Giannis Konstantinidis" > ha scritto: >> Hi Guiseppe, >> with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need to >> start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why Fedora >> is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of free and >> open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with other >> projects. >> >> When people claim that they think the x or y distro is better than Fedora, >> try to focus on the strengths of Fedora instead of opening a flame war. Some >> things for example that make me a proud Fedora contributor are the 4 >> Foundations, with their deep meaning. So a few ideas to speak the good word >> about Fedora are: >> - The fact that Fedora has one of the biggest and best communities out there >> - Fedora respects the users' freedom, thus it ships with only free software >> by default >> - Fedora is always innovative and trying to be ahead of other projects (in a >> good way) >> - Fedora is upstream, so stuff that you see for the first time in Fedora are >> shared with other projects >> And trust me, out of experience, facts like these will get their attention >> and they will think again about it. >> And in the end, everyone is free to choose whatever distro they wish, we're >> doing our best to spread the love about our project and get as many >> users/contributors as possible, but it's obvious that not everyone can be >> turned into a Fedora user/contributor. >> >> As far as the magazine goes, there's no absolute reason to start posting >> installation guides and stuff like that, you can find stuff like these on >> the official documentation or even on Youtube. >> >> And by the way, I'm not a member of the marketing team, I'm and ambassador >> who's just reading the fedora marketing mailing list and this caught my >> attention. And from a third person observer perspective, I think that the >> marketing team is doing very good work in aiding to the promotion of the >> Fedora Project in general. >> >> Again, we're taking part in no battle, there's no war out there and we're >> not losing anything. I personally think there's nothing wrong with Fedora or >> with its community so far and I like the way it is. :) >> >> ~giannisk >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Zacharias Mitzelos >>> wrote: >>> Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in >>> contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. >>> >>> Zacharias >>> >>> >>> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 >>> From: crobe...@croberts.org >>> To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org; rsue...@redhat.com >>> Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead >>> >>> >>> >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to >>> >> join the marketing team and submit an article any time.
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2014-03-25 18:11 GMT-03:00 Giannis Konstantinidis < giankonstantini...@gmail.com>: > Hi Guiseppe, > with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need > to start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why > Fedora is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of > free and open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with > other projects. > I was about to write a reply to his e-mail, but you've said everything I had in mind in the message below, Giannis. Apart from that, if the e-mail subject was a joke, it wasn't funny at all :-/ When I say a project or team is dead, it is automatically implied that either they're not working at all or their work quality is very low, and it makes me sad, mostly because I know people like Chris, Ruth and so many others who do a lot in the Marketing team and for Fedora. That's basically my opinion. The good thing about being an ambassador, which may be the reason for Giannis and I having similar opinions, is that the main thing you learn is that you're the face of Fedora. Fedora can't speak for itself, so you gotta make it so that you give a good idea to the project, by speaking about it. This way, it'd be a pretty childish project to speak lower of other options in order to make mine look better. We don't need that :-) Fedora rulez. Best regards, -- Marcel Ribeiro Dantas, Biomedical Engineering Researcher at LAIS Laboratory for Technological Innovation in Healthcare (LAIS-HUOL) Free Software Advocate - "An idea is only knowledge, when shared." http://mribeirodantas.fedorapeople.org mribeirodantas at fedoraproject.org mribeirodantas at lais.huol.ufrn.br -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
Hi Giannis and all the others, Thanks for yours contribution. I know that I have exaggerated on the title and on what I have writed. I understand your position and I think the marketing team have made a good work. But I believe that we need a little more to make difference. More marketing strategies are needed. I see marketing as a little "war". This is nothing about flame or by disapproving what good the marketing team have made. I like the same core values that you like of Fedora. But more people need to know this and spread the word. Il 25/mar/2014 22:11 "Giannis Konstantinidis" ha scritto: > Hi Guiseppe, > with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need > to start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why > Fedora is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of > free and open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with > other projects. > > When people claim that they think the x or y distro is better than Fedora, > try to focus on the strengths of Fedora instead of opening a flame war. > Some things for example that make me a proud Fedora contributor are the 4 > Foundations, with their deep meaning. So a few ideas to speak the good word > about Fedora are: > - The fact that Fedora has one of the biggest and best communities out > there > - Fedora respects the users' freedom, thus it ships with only free > software by default > - Fedora is always innovative and trying to be ahead of other projects (in > a good way) > - Fedora is upstream, so stuff that you see for the first time in Fedora > are shared with other projects > And trust me, out of experience, facts like these will get their attention > and they will think again about it. > And in the end, everyone is free to choose whatever distro they wish, > we're doing our best to spread the love about our project and get as many > users/contributors as possible, but it's obvious that not everyone can be > turned into a Fedora user/contributor. > > As far as the magazine goes, there's no absolute reason to start posting > installation guides and stuff like that, you can find stuff like these on > the official documentation or even on Youtube. > > And by the way, I'm not a member of the marketing team, I'm and ambassador > who's just reading the fedora marketing mailing list and this caught my > attention. And from a third person observer perspective, I think that the > marketing team is doing very good work in aiding to the promotion of the > Fedora Project in general. > > Again, we're taking part in no battle, there's no war out there and we're > not losing anything. I personally think there's nothing wrong with Fedora > or with its community so far and I like the way it is. :) > > ~giannisk > > > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Zacharias Mitzelos < > zacharias.mitze...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in >> contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. >> >> Zacharias >> >> >> -- >> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 >> From: crobe...@croberts.org >> To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org; rsue...@redhat.com >> Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead >> >> >> >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free >> to join the marketing team and submit an article any time. >> >> We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have >> passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has >> made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day >> we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more >> contributions to the Fedora Magazine. >> >> Here is a link on how to get started: >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris Roberts >> >> -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing >> >> -- >> marketing mailing list >> marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing >> > > > > -- > Giannis Konstantinidis > > gian...@konstantinidis.cc > http://konstantinidis.cc > giannisk on irc.freenode.net > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
Hi Guiseppe, with all due respect, I think you're exaggerating a lot. There's no need to start "a war" against another project. There's no need to prove why Fedora is better than the x or y distro. We all promote the core values of free and open source software and it's always so nice to collaborate with other projects. When people claim that they think the x or y distro is better than Fedora, try to focus on the strengths of Fedora instead of opening a flame war. Some things for example that make me a proud Fedora contributor are the 4 Foundations, with their deep meaning. So a few ideas to speak the good word about Fedora are: - The fact that Fedora has one of the biggest and best communities out there - Fedora respects the users' freedom, thus it ships with only free software by default - Fedora is always innovative and trying to be ahead of other projects (in a good way) - Fedora is upstream, so stuff that you see for the first time in Fedora are shared with other projects And trust me, out of experience, facts like these will get their attention and they will think again about it. And in the end, everyone is free to choose whatever distro they wish, we're doing our best to spread the love about our project and get as many users/contributors as possible, but it's obvious that not everyone can be turned into a Fedora user/contributor. As far as the magazine goes, there's no absolute reason to start posting installation guides and stuff like that, you can find stuff like these on the official documentation or even on Youtube. And by the way, I'm not a member of the marketing team, I'm and ambassador who's just reading the fedora marketing mailing list and this caught my attention. And from a third person observer perspective, I think that the marketing team is doing very good work in aiding to the promotion of the Fedora Project in general. Again, we're taking part in no battle, there's no war out there and we're not losing anything. I personally think there's nothing wrong with Fedora or with its community so far and I like the way it is. :) ~giannisk On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 11:08 PM, Zacharias Mitzelos < zacharias.mitze...@gmail.com> wrote: > Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in > contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. > > Zacharias > > > -- > Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 > From: crobe...@croberts.org > To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org; rsue...@redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead > > > >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to > join the marketing team and submit an article any time. > > We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have > passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has > made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day > we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more > contributions to the Fedora Magazine. > > Here is a link on how to get started: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine > > Thanks, > > Chris Roberts > > -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > > -- > marketing mailing list > marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing > -- Giannis Konstantinidis gian...@konstantinidis.cc http://konstantinidis.cc giannisk on irc.freenode.net -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
RE: Fedora marketing is dead
Giuseppe joined fedora marketing last week, and he was interested in contributing to the magazine as well, so I made him an account there. Zacharias Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 16:15:21 -0400 From: crobe...@croberts.org To: marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org; rsue...@redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora marketing is dead >> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join >> the marketing team and submit an article any time. We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more contributions to the Fedora Magazine. Here is a link on how to get started: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine Thanks, Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
>> We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join >> the marketing team and submit an article any time. We are getting quite a bit of traffic on the Fedora Magazine as I have passed the stats on to Matthew Miller. Especially since Fedora Magazine has made LWN with Matt's post about Fedora Next. Just on his post alone one day we had around 1200 visitors. Like Ruth said we would love to have more contributions to the Fedora Magazine. Here is a link on how to get started: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Magazine Thanks, Chris Roberts -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 02:46:36PM -0400, Ruth Suehle wrote: > > First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. > We have 40k+ fans. You should join us: > https://www.facebook.com/TheFedoraProject Also this group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Fedora.linux/ -- Matthew Miller-- Fedora Project-- -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Re: Fedora marketing is dead
> First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. We have 40k+ fans. You should join us: https://www.facebook.com/TheFedoraProject Or if Facebook just isn't your thing, maybe one of these? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_social_networks > We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to > install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine > firstly. We'd love to have you as a contributor on Fedora Magazine. Feel free to join the marketing team and submit an article any time. Ruth -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
Fedora marketing is dead
Ok folks now I have your attention. We have to start to make some noise about Fedora. We don't have the basics things,that are the minimum to start. First, no official page on social network. This isn't a good thing. I have tried to search fedora on Facebook and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-informatica/655798371147619 and this https://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Project/103128663061181 are the only things that came out. We need an official facebook page,have you seen the ubuntu page on facebook https://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux 978k people liked that page. This can be first part of the war. Google+ and all the other social can have the official page and the official account. We need to start to make war at ubuntu, on the web there are 1000 about Ubuntu vs 10 about fedora.(The number isn't really this but it's to give you an idea.) We have to change the way that people see fedora. When I speak with someone that are new to Linux world they say me that "Ubuntu is simple". Ubuntu is a distro for users and if they now fedora they say me that fedora is for engineer or for people that really know Linux. We have to change this idea. We can start with writing article about configuring this or how to install this, and how to trying this other on the fedora magazine firstly. The problem, as I can see,is that the Fedora community is to close in himself. If we can't change this we are out of the game. -- marketing mailing list marketing@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing
