Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Lord Drachenblut]

I believe that would be Brian Proffitt who does.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015, 8:44 PM Justin W. Flory  wrote:

> On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:
> > There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
> > that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
> > with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
> > being used if possible.
>
> This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I
> feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized
> to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this
> thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social
> media engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable
> resource to gauging which of our social media posts are effective and
> which ones aren't as engaged.
>
> If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
> disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked,
> I personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where
> information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.
>
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Brian Proffitt]

On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> On 11/13/2015 10:05 PM, Brian Proffitt wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Justin W. Flory < 
> jflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:
>>
>>> There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
>>> that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
>>> with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
>>> being used if possible.
>>>
>>
>> This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I feel
>> like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized to
>> collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this thread, do
>> we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social media
>> engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable resource to
>> gauging which of our social media posts are effective and which ones aren't
>> as engaged.
>>
>
> That would be me, actually (and Ruth Suehle as well). Pushing links
> through the ow.ly link shortener does enable us to track and follow
> engagements on individual tweets if we want.
>
> Because twitter sends all links through their link shortener, this is
> possible to track and follow engagements via twitter's web interface too. I
> don't see the point of pushing all links through two different link
> shorteners that both track and follow engagements, especially to the
> detriment of the usability, consistency & readability of our feed overall.
>

>
>> If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
>> disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked, I
>> personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where
>> information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.
>>
>
> I am not sure what the main objection here is. Aesthetics of an
> unshortened link seems to be one selling point, but when I look at links
> from some database-driven content management system sites, I don't see that
> as a particularly strong reason.
>
>
> I have several objections. Usability is one -- the latter part of a full
> URL (the part that a database driven CMS may automatically produce), is of
> less importance than the domain, IMHO. Personally,  I know I will make a
> decision on what to click on based on the domain, and tend to click on
> shortened links a lot less. This part of the previously linked article sums
> this up perfectly IMHO --
> http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/#urls-have-meaning
>


>
> Also, while Twitter does automatically shorten though t.co, in practice I
> have found that the longer the URL, the more likely someone's outdated
> Twitter client or poor use of Twitter RTs and MTs will mangle the URL.
>
> I am a little unclear on what you mean here. Do older twitter clients
> mangle URLs when posting a tweet to the Fedora feed? or when people read
> the tweet on an older Twitter client. Also, aren't twitter retweets
> automatically generated by twitter (or most clients) when you press the
> retweet button? or are you talking about the old practice of prefixing "RT"
> in front of a copied tweet that was done before twitter implemented the
> retweet functionality over 5 years ago?
>

Just because that functionality is there, does not mean it is consistently
used. I have seen the old-style RT practice still used and still mangling
links.


> Shortening it first is a better practice, in my experience.
>
>
> That said, using HootSuite's ow.ly is kind of sad, and whenever I can, I
> try to use the Red Hat-branded shortener via bit.ly. This works only on
> redhat.com domain sites, though, and metrics for engagement have to be
> tracked separately, so it's aesthetically nice, but kind of a pain, too.
>
> This brings up another issue: consistency on our twitter feed -- some
> links are shortened with ow.ly, others are not. Not everyone has access
> to, or uses hootsuite.
>

Well, this is an easy fix: tweets from any source should not use link
shorteners. Hootsuite users can make that transition with ease and still
maintain analytics of tweets.


>
> regards,
> ryanlerch
>


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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/13/2015 10:05 PM, Brian Proffitt wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Justin W. Flory > wrote:


On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:

There is one reason for using ow.ly 
 URL shortener and
that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track
engagement
with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is
fedora branded
being used if possible.


This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally,
I feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being
utilized to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context
of this thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I
feel like social media engagement statistics are something that
could be an invaluable resource to gauging which of our social
media posts are effective and which ones aren't as engaged.


That would be me, actually (and Ruth Suehle as well). Pushing links 
through the ow.ly  link shortener does enable us to 
track and follow engagements on individual tweets if we want.
Because twitter sends all links through their link shortener, this is 
possible to track and follow engagements via twitter's web interface 
too. I don't see the point of pushing all links through two different 
link shorteners that both track and follow engagements, especially to 
the detriment of the usability, consistency & readability of our feed 
overall.



If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being
tracked, I personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners
except where information about engagements and interactions are
actually being utilized.


I am not sure what the main objection here is. Aesthetics of an 
unshortened link seems to be one selling point, but when I look at 
links from some database-driven content management system sites, I 
don't see that as a particularly strong reason.


I have several objections. Usability is one -- the latter part of a full 
URL (the part that a database driven CMS may automatically produce), is 
of less importance than the domain, IMHO. Personally, I know I will make 
a decision on what to click on based on the domain, and tend to click on 
shortened links a lot less. This part of the previously linked article 
sums this up perfectly IMHO -- 
http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/#urls-have-meaning


Also, while Twitter does automatically shorten though t.co 
, in practice I have found that the longer the URL, the 
more likely someone's outdated Twitter client or poor use of Twitter 
RTs and MTs will mangle the URL.
I am a little unclear on what you mean here. Do older twitter clients 
mangle URLs when posting a tweet to the Fedora feed? or when people read 
the tweet on an older Twitter client. Also, aren't twitter retweets 
automatically generated by twitter (or most clients) when you press the 
retweet button? or are you talking about the old practice of prefixing 
"RT" in front of a copied tweet that was done before twitter implemented 
the retweet functionality over 5 years ago?




Shortening it first is a better practice, in my experience.

That said, using HootSuite's ow.ly  is kind of sad, and 
whenever I can, I try to use the Red Hat-branded shortener via bit.ly 
. This works only on redhat.com  
domain sites, though, and metrics for engagement have to be tracked 
separately, so it's aesthetically nice, but kind of a pain, too.
This brings up another issue: consistency on our twitter feed -- some 
links are shortened with ow.ly, others are not. Not everyone has access 
to, or uses hootsuite.


regards,
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Brian Proffitt]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Patrick Uiterwijk 
wrote:

> > With this in mind, personally, I feel like link shorteners are not
> > necessary then. If we can get the stats, I personally think it's not a
> > bad idea to avoid them.
> >
>
> Two small remarks:
> 1. I am personally also in favor of using t.co instead of another
> shortener
> for security reasons (visibility etc).
> 2. Per the t.co support page[1], t.co is ONLY used when tweets are posted
> through twitter.com. I don't know how tweets are currently placed, but
> that
> should be taken into account if it's not through twitter.com.
>


Which means things would be difficult, because you can't time tweets to a
certain schedule using Twitter.com. Sometimes that's essential, especially
for a globally distributed community like Fedora.



>
>
> [1]: https://support.twitter.com/articles/109623
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Brian Proffitt]

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Justin W. Flory  wrote:

> On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:
>
>> There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
>> that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
>> with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
>> being used if possible.
>>
>
> This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I feel
> like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized to
> collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this thread, do
> we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social media
> engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable resource to
> gauging which of our social media posts are effective and which ones aren't
> as engaged.
>

That would be me, actually (and Ruth Suehle as well). Pushing links through
the ow.ly link shortener does enable us to track and follow engagements on
individual tweets if we want.

>
> If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
> disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked, I
> personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where
> information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.
>

I am not sure what the main objection here is. Aesthetics of an unshortened
link seems to be one selling point, but when I look at links from some
database-driven content management system sites, I don't see that as a
particularly strong reason. Also, while Twitter does automatically shorten
though t.co, in practice I have found that the longer the URL, the more
likely someone's outdated Twitter client or poor use of Twitter RTs and MTs
will mangle the URL.

Shortening it first is a better practice, in my experience.

That said, using HootSuite's ow.ly is kind of sad, and whenever I can, I
try to use the Red Hat-branded shortener via bit.ly. This works only on
redhat.com domain sites, though, and metrics for engagement have to be
tracked separately, so it's aesthetically nice, but kind of a pain, too.



>
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>


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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Jiri Eischmann]

Ryan Lerch píše v St 11. 11. 2015 v 10:01 +1000:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just wondering what people think about not using any link shorteners
> on 
> the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all links
> in 
> tweets through their own t.co/ link shortener, so using another one
> is 
> just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on 
> twitter. (twitter presents all t.co links as the full text, but the
> link 
> itself is t.co)
> 
> Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is 
> ow.ly, which i assume is being done by whoever is using Hootsuite.

Ditch it. I stopped using bitly when Twitter introduced t.co which was
a long time ago. There is no need to use them unless you want to
collect statistical data as someone has already mentioned. But Twitter
provides basic statistics nowadays as well.

Jiri

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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/11/2015 12:11 PM, Patrick Uiterwijk wrote:

With this in mind, personally, I feel like link shorteners are not
necessary then. If we can get the stats, I personally think it's not a
bad idea to avoid them.


Two small remarks:
1. I am personally also in favor of using t.co instead of another shortener
for security reasons (visibility etc).
2. Per the t.co support page[1], t.co is ONLY used when tweets are posted
through twitter.com. I don't know how tweets are currently placed, but that
should be taken into account if it's not through twitter.com.
Yeah, i read that too -- i think that by twitter.com they mean twitter, 
because in practise, every tweet i post to twitter is wrapped in t.co 
--  doesnt matter if i use the android client, the corebird 3rd party 
client, the webapp, or via a python script -- all links are t.co/


cheers,
ryanlerch



[1]: https://support.twitter.com/articles/109623

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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Patrick Uiterwijk]

> With this in mind, personally, I feel like link shorteners are not
> necessary then. If we can get the stats, I personally think it's not a
> bad idea to avoid them.
> 

Two small remarks:
1. I am personally also in favor of using t.co instead of another shortener
for security reasons (visibility etc).
2. Per the t.co support page[1], t.co is ONLY used when tweets are posted
through twitter.com. I don't know how tweets are currently placed, but that
should be taken into account if it's not through twitter.com.


[1]: https://support.twitter.com/articles/109623

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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/11/2015 11:58 AM, Patrick Uiterwijk wrote:

Hi all,


On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:

There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
being used if possible.

This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I
feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized
to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this
thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social
media engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable
resource to gauging which of our social media posts are effective and
which ones aren't as engaged.

So, I am not aware of who holds the keys to Hootsuite, but for stats tracking
this would not be required.
If we would just use t.co, Wordpress statistics that we have should see the
items coming in just fine through the http referrer header.


If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked,
I personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where
information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.

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With kind regards,
Patrick Uiterwijk
Fedora Infra

Yeah, not sure who owns the keys, or uses it either -- maybe jzb?

Also, it appears that it is only being used to post to twitter, as the 
posts with ow.ly shortened links only appear on Twitter, not facebook 
and g+, So even if the reasoning is to track engagements there is no 
reason why, if you wanted to do this, that you can do it in the twitter 
interface.


Twitter now gives you quite detailed insights on posts, for example the 
post that i linked to eariler in the thread has these stats:



Impressions 3,607
Total engagements 175
Link clicks  129
Detail expands 18
Retweets   12
Profile clicks   10
Likes   5
Replies   1

Google+ and Facebook also do this to some extent too, so IMHO no real 
need to track in another third party propertiary application.


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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Justin W. Flory]

On 11/10/2015 08:58 PM, Patrick Uiterwijk wrote:

Hi all,


On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:

There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
being used if possible.


This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I
feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized
to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this
thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social
media engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable
resource to gauging which of our social media posts are effective and
which ones aren't as engaged.


So, I am not aware of who holds the keys to Hootsuite, but for stats tracking
this would not be required.
If we would just use t.co, Wordpress statistics that we have should see the
items coming in just fine through the http referrer header.


With this in mind, personally, I feel like link shorteners are not 
necessary then. If we can get the stats, I personally think it's not a 
bad idea to avoid them.


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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Patrick Uiterwijk]

Hi all,

> On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:
> > There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
> > that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
> > with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
> > being used if possible.
> 
> This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I
> feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized
> to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this
> thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social
> media engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable
> resource to gauging which of our social media posts are effective and
> which ones aren't as engaged.

So, I am not aware of who holds the keys to Hootsuite, but for stats tracking
this would not be required.
If we would just use t.co, Wordpress statistics that we have should see the
items coming in just fine through the http referrer header.

> 
> If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be
> disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked,
> I personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where
> information about engagements and interactions are actually being utilized.
> 
> --
> Cheers,
> Justin W. Flory
> jflo...@gmail.com
> 

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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Justin W. Flory]

On 11/10/2015 08:33 PM, Lord Drachenblut wrote:

There is one reason for using ow.ly  URL shortener and
that is it allows the person posting via hootsuite to track engagement
with a post.  I would rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded
being used if possible.


This was the major point I was thinking of mentioning. Personally, I 
feel like link shorteners are only necessary if they're being utilized 
to collect statistics and metrics. Judging by the context of this 
thread, do we know who has the keys to the Hootsuite? I feel like social 
media engagement statistics are something that could be an invaluable 
resource to gauging which of our social media posts are effective and 
which ones aren't as engaged.


If this *is* already happening, then the above paragraph can be 
disregarded. In the case that statistics and metrics are being tracked, 
I personally vote to abstain from using link shorteners except where 
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Lord Drachenblut]

There is one reason for using ow.ly URL shortener and that is it allows the
person posting via hootsuite to track engagement with a post.  I would
rather see a URL shortener that is fedora branded being used if possible.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015, 8:02 PM Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> On 11/11/2015 10:53 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
>
> Yes,  I'm aware that it is passed through t.co. If it counts the links as
> the same amount of characters,  we might still want to keep the shortened
> URLs for aesthetics, as long links don't look very good on mobile.
>
> IMHO, a full link is more aesthetically appealing than a bunch of random
> characters, and more usable too -- you know what you are clicking on before
> you click it. Twitter, even though it passes thrrough their shortener, will
> display a portion (if not all) of the link in the timeline, rather than the
> shortened link.
>
> Unless you have a specific objection to using a shortener,  I'm assuming.
>
> my objections to using link shorteners are pretty much summed up by this
> article:
>
> http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/
>
> regards,
> ryanlerch
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015, 7:48 PM Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>
>> On 11/11/2015 10:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>>
>> On 11/11/2015 10:03 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter. This is
>> because they have a character limit, and using a shortener greatly helps
>> increase the amount of text you can have in a tweet. Twitter counts your
>> link's characters even though it passes it through its own link gateway.
>>
>> This is incorrect -- try crafting a new tweet on twitter.com with 115
>> characters, then add a link with more that 25 characters -- it will let you
>> post it. All links on twitter go through the t.co link shortener.
>>
>> cheers,
>> ryanlerch
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chaoyi
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Just wondering what people think about not using any link shorteners on
>>> the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all links in
>>> tweets through their own t.co/ link shortener, so using another one is
>>> just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on
>>> twitter. (twitter presents all t.co links as the full text, but the link
>>> itself is t.co)
>>>
>>> Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is
>>> ow.ly, which i assume is being done by whoever is using Hootsuite.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> ryanlerch
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, have a look at this tweet:
>>
>> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/664172103525146624
>>
>> If you inspect the link in that tweet, (or copy the link address to see
>> the href of it), you will see that the link is actaully t.co. So these
>> links are passing through t.co, then redundantly redirecting on to ow.ly,
>> then on to the actual site we want.
>>
>> cheers,
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/11/2015 10:53 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:


Yes,  I'm aware that it is passed through t.co . If it 
counts the links as the same amount of characters,  we might still 
want to keep the shortened URLs for aesthetics, as long links don't 
look very good on mobile.


IMHO, a full link is more aesthetically appealing than a bunch of random 
characters, and more usable too -- you know what you are clicking on 
before you click it. Twitter, even though it passes thrrough their 
shortener, will display a portion (if not all) of the link in the 
timeline, rather than the shortened link.


Unless you have a specific objection to using a shortener,  I'm assuming.

my objections to using link shorteners are pretty much summed up by this 
article:


http://oleb.net/blog/2012/08/please-dont-use-url-shorteners-on-twitter/

regards,
ryanlerch


On Tue, Nov 10, 2015, 7:48 PM Ryan Lerch > wrote:


On 11/11/2015 10:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:

On 11/11/2015 10:03 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter.
This is because they have a character limit, and using a
shortener greatly helps increase the amount of text you can have
in a tweet. Twitter counts your link's characters even though it
passes it through its own link gateway.

This is incorrect -- try crafting a new tweet on twitter.com
 with 115 characters, then add a link with
more that 25 characters -- it will let you post it. All links on
twitter go through the t.co  link shortener.

cheers,
ryanlerch


Cheers,
Chaoyi

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch mailto:rle...@redhat.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people think about not using any link
shorteners on
the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes
all links in
tweets through their own t.co/  link
shortener, so using another one is
just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our
followers on
twitter. (twitter presents all t.co  links as
the full text, but the link
itself is t.co )

Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being
used is
ow.ly , which i assume is being done by
whoever is using Hootsuite.

cheers,
ryanlerch
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Also, have a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/fedora/status/664172103525146624

If you inspect the link in that tweet, (or copy the link address
to see the href of it), you will see that the link is actaully
t.co . So these links are passing through t.co
, then redundantly redirecting on to ow.ly
, then on to the actual site we want.

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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Chaoyi Zha]

Yes,  I'm aware that it is passed through t.co. If it counts the links as
the same amount of characters,  we might still want to keep the shortened
URLs for aesthetics, as long links don't look very good on mobile.

Unless you have a specific objection to using a shortener,  I'm assuming.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2015, 7:48 PM Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> On 11/11/2015 10:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:
>
> On 11/11/2015 10:03 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter. This is
> because they have a character limit, and using a shortener greatly helps
> increase the amount of text you can have in a tweet. Twitter counts your
> link's characters even though it passes it through its own link gateway.
>
> This is incorrect -- try crafting a new tweet on twitter.com with 115
> characters, then add a link with more that 25 characters -- it will let you
> post it. All links on twitter go through the t.co link shortener.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
>
>
> Cheers,
> Chaoyi
>
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just wondering what people think about not using any link shorteners on
>> the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all links in
>> tweets through their own t.co/ link shortener, so using another one is
>> just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on
>> twitter. (twitter presents all t.co links as the full text, but the link
>> itself is t.co)
>>
>> Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is
>> ow.ly, which i assume is being done by whoever is using Hootsuite.
>>
>> cheers,
>> ryanlerch
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> Also, have a look at this tweet:
>
> https://twitter.com/fedora/status/664172103525146624
>
> If you inspect the link in that tweet, (or copy the link address to see
> the href of it), you will see that the link is actaully t.co. So these
> links are passing through t.co, then redundantly redirecting on to ow.ly,
> then on to the actual site we want.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/11/2015 10:34 AM, Ryan Lerch wrote:

On 11/11/2015 10:03 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter. This is 
because they have a character limit, and using a shortener greatly 
helps increase the amount of text you can have in a tweet. Twitter 
counts your link's characters even though it passes it through its 
own link gateway.
This is incorrect -- try crafting a new tweet on twitter.com with 115 
characters, then add a link with more that 25 characters -- it will 
let you post it. All links on twitter go through the t.co link shortener.


cheers,
ryanlerch


Cheers,
Chaoyi

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch  wrote:

Hi all,

Just wondering what people think about not using any link
shorteners on
the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all
links in
tweets through their own t.co/  link shortener, so
using another one is
just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on
twitter. (twitter presents all t.co  links as the
full text, but the link
itself is t.co )

Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is
ow.ly , which i assume is being done by whoever is
using Hootsuite.

cheers,
ryanlerch
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Also, have a look at this tweet:

https://twitter.com/fedora/status/664172103525146624

If you inspect the link in that tweet, (or copy the link address to see 
the href of it), you will see that the link is actaully t.co. So these 
links are passing through t.co, then redundantly redirecting on to 
ow.ly, then on to the actual site we want.


cheers,
ryanlerch
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Ryan Lerch]

On 11/11/2015 10:03 AM, Chaoyi Zha wrote:

Hi Ryan,

I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter. This is 
because they have a character limit, and using a shortener greatly 
helps increase the amount of text you can have in a tweet. Twitter 
counts your link's characters even though it passes it through its own 
link gateway.
This is incorrect -- try crafting a new tweet on twitter.com with 115 
characters, then add a link with more that 25 characters -- it will let 
you post it. All links on twitter go through the t.co link shortener.


cheers,
ryanlerch


Cheers,
Chaoyi

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch > wrote:


Hi all,

Just wondering what people think about not using any link
shorteners on
the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all links in
tweets through their own t.co/  link shortener, so
using another one is
just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on
twitter. (twitter presents all t.co  links as the
full text, but the link
itself is t.co )

Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is
ow.ly , which i assume is being done by whoever is
using Hootsuite.

cheers,
ryanlerch
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Re: Use of Link shorteners on Twitter

[Chaoyi Zha]

Hi Ryan,

I think the use of a link shortener is adequate for Twitter. This is
because they have a character limit, and using a shortener greatly helps
increase the amount of text you can have in a tweet. Twitter counts your
link's characters even though it passes it through its own link gateway.

Cheers,
Chaoyi

On Tue, 10 Nov 2015 at 19:01 Ryan Lerch  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just wondering what people think about not using any link shorteners on
> the official Fedora twitter feed. Twitter actually passes all links in
> tweets through their own t.co/ link shortener, so using another one is
> just (IMHO) unnecessarily obfuscating the link from our followers on
> twitter. (twitter presents all t.co links as the full text, but the link
> itself is t.co)
>
> Looking back through the feed, the main link shortener being used is
> ow.ly, which i assume is being done by whoever is using Hootsuite.
>
> cheers,
> ryanlerch
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