[Marketing] The End of Sugar (thought exercise)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Historically there have been several organizations financially supporting
Sugar development.

But at least some of those have left, others have reduced their
contributions, and it is unclear to me if any new groups have made
significant tangible investments in the project.

The XO laptop and icon, both commonly associated with Sugar, are OLPC
trademarks.  There is nothing stopping anyone from licensing these and
putting applications in the Android/Apple/Chromebook stores claiming to be
"Based on Sugar" with a new "Journal" interface.

In short: Sugar is having trouble expanding beyond its current territory,
or at least publicly appears to be.

So this week I thought of a couple of questions:

   - What would cause you and/or your school(s) to stop using Sugar?
   - What would another project have to offer in order for it to be used
   instead?
   - When would it be a good idea to move everyone to a new project?
   - Under what circumstances should Sugar Labs be shutdown?

If we can answer these questions, maybe we can reform Sugar to better meet
these competitive challenges.
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Re: [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I'll ask for more details, but it probably is Hootsuite or one of their
competitors.

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Social+Media+Guidelines

CloudStack's and the ASF's media & brand management policies probably are a
good set to start with as well.



On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

>
> On 1 June 2016 at 17:07, Samuel Greenfeld <sam...@greenfeld.org> wrote:
>
>> I would have to ask to see what they are using.
>
>
> Please do! :)
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Re: [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Ignoring if Sugar Labs wishes to be associated with ads for a second, we
probably should look into getting all Sugar Labs and potentially Sugarizer
media-publishing accounts turned into service or corporate accounts where
no single individual is in charge.

That way access to those services remains even if the person with said
access cannot provide it or is not immediately available.

I know at least one project under the Apache Software Foundation delegates
access to their Twitter account through an escrow system where no one knows
the actual password.  But I would have to ask to see what they are using.



On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:42 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I think this would be great - will you be able to generate new content for
> it, though? :)
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 13:31, samson goddy  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was surfing the youtube page "SugarLabs" i saw some Sugar videos with
>> so many views, which people are using our video to get funds. Which can
>> generate money for SugarLabs using the google adsense.  I can't believe
>> that up till now SugarLabs does not have any official account(channel) on
>> youtube. Using this link as guide
>> https://www.google.com/adsense/start/how-it-works/ on how to get cash.
>>
>>  these are the steps we need
>>
>> 1. A gmail account (or i can use mine because, i am already qualified for
>> google adsense)
>>
>> 2. Set up a SugarLabs channel on youtube where we post our official
>> videos.
>>
>> 3. Apply monetizing to the video to get money from the videos.
>>
>> Since we have a good relationship with Google (GCI and GSOC) maybe we can
>> add (Adsense) too.
>>
>> I just need the go ahead so i can get started.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Samson G
>>
>>
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Re: [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:

 I don't see how changing the communication media used for the meeting
 will get more people involved. In particular audio/video chat is worst
 than text
 when there are more people. But I agree we need more people in the
 meetings.


I am not saying every meeting needs to be video or voice; but it would be
good to have some variety once in a while.

There are a lot of minor details communicated in verbal and visual
communication that do not translate well to text.


1. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides
GSoC) and project sponsors.


2. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to
the Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage
with other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar.  This
does not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it 
 would
give us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types
of deployments.



 Did you think about run for a seat in the SLOB?

 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates


I have considered it, but there are two obstacles:

First, my current employer requires me to obtain permission from them to be
on the board of a non-profit.  This is not insurmountable, but likely
requires proving (amongst other things) that I can completely isolate Sugar
from anything my employer pays me to do for all hours that my employer pays
me to work.

Second, I would like to see some more public signs of organic growth
besides the Google events before I commit more than a few hours per week.
My available time outside of work is limited, and I have no intention of
providing free labor for someone's unknown customer.
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Re: [Marketing] [Sugar-devel] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Looking at past minutes, I think I am proposing more of a change in
procedure than topics for the oversight meeting.  We need to get more
people involved than are present in the IRC meetings.

In general I am echoing what was said on the Planning for the Future
email thread from three months ago.

But some topics (for the oversight meeting or an all-hands meeting) would
be:


   1. What can Sugar publicly commit to having in terms of
   users/developers/finances/etc. beyond what was mentioned in the deployment
   survey.

   Witness Dan's complaints over the 3 million number, James noting no one
   filed a bug report for Sugar 0.105.1 yet, the lack of candidates for past
   elections, the lack of interaction between the XS development and Sugar
   development communities, etc.

   It also would be useful to know what users/developers/etc. could
   publicly commit to Sugar.


   2. What is being done to address the main issues raised by deployments
   in the latest development survey.


   3. A complete holistic overhaul of how releases are done and marketed.
   Sugar was originally created with a if you build it, they will come
   approach that many community members have at least privately complained
   about.

   We need real-world examples of how to integrate Sugar with curriculums,
   reference deployments willing to speak with prospective ones, etc.

   Setting up Sugar needs to be no harder than a child using it for the
   first time.


   4. What is being done to attract new deployments, developers (besides
   GSoC) and project sponsors.


   5. I would like to propose a Sugar Ambassador program similar to the
   Fedora one where less-technical members of the community could engage with
   other groups to figure out what they would need to use Sugar.  This does
   not necessarily mean that we need to fly them everywhere; but it would give
   us a good idea of what might be required to obtain gain certain types of
   deployments.



On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The next Sugar Labs oversight board meeting is on Monday. Anyone in the
 community is, as always, welcome to suggest discussion topics.

 -walter

 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Samuel Greenfeld sam...@greenfeld.org
 wrote:

 I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar.

 But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in
 the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver,
 etc.) could raise a topic and attend.

 If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google
 Hangout.  For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an
 international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting
 confused by each other).

 There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could
 happen given a wider audience.

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[Marketing] Sugar all-hands meeting

[Samuel Greenfeld]

I know there have been various board and development meetings for Sugar.

But I would like to propose having an all-hands meeting where anyone in
the Sugar community as well as related groups (deployments, schoolserver,
etc.) could raise a topic and attend.

If there are few enough people, we might be able to do this with a Google
Hangout.  For larger crowds we should try to get permission to use an
international conference bridge (to avoid a dozen echo cancelers getting
confused by each other).

There are a lot of things that need to be done that I suspect could happen
given a wider audience.

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Re: [Marketing] [IAEP] Video player for wiki.sugarlabs.org

[Samuel Greenfeld]

Try tweaking the URL for XOs to use the olpc.dailymotion.com domain.

The interface will scale itself down to make it XO-1 compatible.

For example, in this case: http://olpc.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs


On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 16:07 +0100, Sean DALY wrote:
  Thanks Bernie
 
  The Sugar Labs video channel is here:
 http://www.dailymotion.com/sugarlabs
 
  Ogg-compatible!

 I tried playing DailyMotion videos on the XO, but the flash player makes
 Gnash choke.

 So I tried it on my computer, without the adobe flash plugin installed:
 it attempts to start an HTML5 player, but it fails immediately with
 Media Not Supported on Firefox 7 and no explanation on Chromium 15.
 Moreover, there's no discoverable way to download the video file
 (probably it's so by design).

 Even if these issues were fixed, I still see some value in playing
 videos directly from our wiki, alongside with images and text, to create
 lesson plans for example.

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