Re: Tuxmagazine
Hi, This is such a key question, and the answer I think GNOME is giving doesn't make sense to me. The lack of consensus on this issue is what leads to the questions of why GNOME is no fun to hack on anymore and what language people want to use. The mistake of targeting the user group I think GNOME is going for is why the majority of magazines/user-sites believe that KDE is best. It seems to me that strong influences over GNOME want to develop the desktop towards the user group of tomorrow rather than the existing users of today. That is to say the focus is on the normal/ordinary 'call-centre' users. The issue with this is that it's completely ignoring the actual users of today - which are hackers, early adoptors and technical geeks. You ignore your existing users (your base) at great risk. It's makes you irrelevant in the current market place and since the early adoptors are the key influencers for the later users it removes the likelihood of you being relevant tomorrow. And, the fact of the matter is that most 'normal' users live with non-optimal solutions in computing so if they land up using a different solution they won't know/care there's anything better or bother to try it out. Is everyone in GNOME clear about who the target market segment is and how it impacts the project? Steve On 5/3/05, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna a écrit : On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 10:20:11PM +0200, David Neary wrote: I'm really interested in pushing some of these articles to generic magazines where we can reach our target audience. Which is...? Which generic magazines? No, I meant which target audience :) Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Tuxmagazine
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 16:07 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, I'll get onto Denis then. I'll keep in touch with status. So Denis got back to me. He'd be happy to include a GNOME article a month in Linux Pratique. We haven't discussed money yet, or who'd do the translation, or any other details like that. But I think that's a yay. Christian Meyer is also doing some articles for Linux Magazine in Germany (they are also sponsoring GUADEC). Apparently they were eager to cover GNOME more. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
I'm going to put Penguincon as a future conference to keep track of. sri On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 09:28:56AM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Hey, Sri, Tim, others- Are there conferences we're planning on having a presence at in the near future? Should we be planning to print out a batch of liveCDs to distribute/sell at them? Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
On 5/3/05, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to put Penguincon as a future conference to keep track of. Where? It would be good to have a wiki page with a list of annual conferences, not tied to specific years, if that makes sense... Luis On Mon, May 02, 2005 at 09:28:56AM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: Hey, Sri, Tim, others- Are there conferences we're planning on having a presence at in the near future? Should we be planning to print out a batch of liveCDs to distribute/sell at them? Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 5/3/05, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to put Penguincon as a future conference to keep track of. Where? It would be good to have a wiki page with a list of annual conferences, not tied to specific years, if that makes sense... Good question, it's too late for 2005 obviously. I guess we need a flat list of conferences... sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
Hi, On May 3, 2005, at 8:41 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Tue, May 03, 2005 at 01:17:49PM -0400, Luis Villa wrote: On 5/3/05, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to put Penguincon as a future conference to keep track of. Where? It would be good to have a wiki page with a list of annual conferences, not tied to specific years, if that makes sense... Good question, it's too late for 2005 obviously. I guess we need a flat list of conferences... There was some discussion of this last year :) There are about 10 of these I can think of that are annual events: GNOME: GNOME Summit GUADEC General desktop ones aKademy DesktopCon (new this year) European general: LinuxTag FOSDEM Solutions Linux RMLL EuroOSCon (new this year) North American general: OSCon OLS Australian: linuxconf.au (and its GNOME minicon) I've probably missed dozens of obvious ones. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary Lyon, France [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GUADEC Live CD
The German LinuxUser magazine June '05 issue (which will be published just before GUADEC on May 19th) will include the Live CD, as part of the magazine's GUADEC media partnership. The issue will also include a two page article about GUADEC 2005. LinuxUser has a circulation of about 60,000. tim -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GUADEC Live CD
Hi Tim, On May 3, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Tim Ney, GNOME Foundation wrote: The German LinuxUser magazine June '05 issue (which will be published just before GUADEC on May 19th) will include the Live CD, as part of the magazine's GUADEC media partnership. The issue will also include a two page article about GUADEC 2005. LinuxUser has a circulation of about 60,000. This is great news. Will this be the same Live CD we'll be putting in the attendee's pack at GUADEC? I sent the GUADEC papers to Andreas earlier (since we agreed to put them on the liveCD). Will they get onto the LinuxUser LiveCD? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary Lyon, France [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:29:27 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I remembered we had it, but wasn't sure where it went. Did we get a wiki page up? My thinking is that we could have a general list of conferences that happen every year, and then a list (either same place or separate) listing what the date of the next known one is, whether or not we've contacted the organizer, what speakers we have there, etc., etc. Uhm, I once tried to compile a list of conferences so we could get overview where we'd be able to present, and maybe get a general list. But it was one of my first steps on the wiki so it went nowhere. The page is still there: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fEvents2004 Obviously I just covered german conferences, then. It would be cool if someone feels challenged to get this going: Delete the old page, and build a better one. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
OK, I've tried something radically different, see what you all think: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/AnnualEvents Have to run to class, bye- Luis On 5/3/05, Claus Schwarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:29:27 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I remembered we had it, but wasn't sure where it went. Did we get a wiki page up? My thinking is that we could have a general list of conferences that happen every year, and then a list (either same place or separate) listing what the date of the next known one is, whether or not we've contacted the organizer, what speakers we have there, etc., etc. Uhm, I once tried to compile a list of conferences so we could get overview where we'd be able to present, and maybe get a general list. But it was one of my first steps on the wiki so it went nowhere. The page is still there: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fEvents2004 Obviously I just covered german conferences, then. It would be cool if someone feels challenged to get this going: Delete the old page, and build a better one. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
On 5/3/05, Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I've tried something radically different, see what you all think: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam/AnnualEvents Have to run to class, bye- Make sure to have a poke at the pages linked to in the table. Luis On 5/3/05, Claus Schwarm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2005 17:29:27 -0400 Luis Villa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I remembered we had it, but wasn't sure where it went. Did we get a wiki page up? My thinking is that we could have a general list of conferences that happen every year, and then a list (either same place or separate) listing what the date of the next known one is, whether or not we've contacted the organizer, what speakers we have there, etc., etc. Uhm, I once tried to compile a list of conferences so we could get overview where we'd be able to present, and maybe get a general list. But it was one of my first steps on the wiki so it went nowhere. The page is still there: http://live.gnome.org/MarketingTeam_2fEvents2004 Obviously I just covered german conferences, then. It would be cool if someone feels challenged to get this going: Delete the old page, and build a better one. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
Oh man, thats just capital. Thanks! sri On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:41:24AM -1200, Glynn Foster wrote: Heya, There was some discussion of this last year :) Yeah, I remembered we had it, but wasn't sure where it went. Did we get a wiki page up? My thinking is that we could have a general list of conferences that happen every year, and then a list (either same place or separate) listing what the date of the next known one is, whether or not we've contacted the organizer, what speakers we have there, etc., etc. Okay, found a mail that might help that was in my board-list archives. Here's a cut and paste of the mail from Malcolm - Glynn === This involves a number of steps and I have made a start on a couple of these: (1) Knowing which conferences are coming up in each area of the world and when their paper submission dates are. - attached to this mail is the start of such a list (ordered by conference date. I need to make a similar list ordered by submission date). Naturally, as you can see, a number of submission dates have already passed by. In such cases, I have listed if there are any GNOME related talks being given. - I have concentrated on desktop-, consumer- and developer-related conferences. There are other conferences at which GNOME talks have been given (e.g. Daniel Veillard's presentation at XML Europe last year) but which are more of a niche market and which require particular speakers to give effective talks. - This list is far from complete. Can people send me any other conferences they know about (including submission deadlines and/or a website so I can scrounge out the info and monitor things). In particular, I have nothing for any South American countries and nothing for Spain, although both areas had conferences last year, if I recall correctly. I suspect there are a couple of British (particularly London-based) conferences that I have missed. I am also not going to be surprised if I have missed a number of significant European and North American summer conferences. - In 2004, we need to also be looking at 2005 conferences. Submission deadlines are months in advance of the conference, so by around mid-2004 we (the entire GNOME community) are going to have to have got our act together for conferences in the first couple of months of 2005. (2) Contacting GNOME volunteers and user groups in the appropriate areas to see if they can help out with demonstration stands and giving talks, etc. (3) Preparing a kit to help kickstart such demonstrations. - There have been posts to various mailing lists over the past few years about what people have learnt when helping out at a GNOME stand at conferences. I am trying to track down all of those. - We need to have something like a HOWTO available for people who want to do this kind of stuff. Possible also a HOWTO for somebody wanting to give a talk about GNOME to the general population. Sometimes it is just a matter of giving people ideas of what they can talk about and convincing them that it is not such a big job, since the people they are talking to may know very little about GNOME. (4) Complete this list. Currently it only contains three significant points. There are probably more. See attached - 2004 == January: 12 - 17: linux.conf.au - http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ (or http://linux.conf.au/) - Adelaide, Australia - much GNOME (and peripherally related) involvement: James Henstridge, Malcolm Tredinnick, Jeff Waugh, Havoc Pennington, Keith Packard, Glynn Foster spread between the main conference and a couple of the preceding mini-conferences. 20 - 23: LinuxWorld Conference Expo - New York, USA February: 3 - 5: Linux Solutions - Paris, France - http://www.solutionslinux.fr/en/index.php - costs for exhibition space. 9 - 12: O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference - San Diego, USA - http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/ - too late for this year. Keep in mind for 2005 conference. 11 - 13: Linux Asia - New Delhi, India - http://www.linuxasia2004.com/ - speaker registration closes Jan 22, 2004 (?? - maybe). 21 - 22: FOSDEM - Brussels, Belgium - http://www.fosdem.org/2004/index/ - Bill Haneman speaking about
Re: upcoming conferences and liveCDs
whoohoo. so who is volunteering to get that into the wiki? :) Luis On 5/3/05, Sriram Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh man, thats just capital. Thanks! sri On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 09:41:24AM -1200, Glynn Foster wrote: Heya, There was some discussion of this last year :) Yeah, I remembered we had it, but wasn't sure where it went. Did we get a wiki page up? My thinking is that we could have a general list of conferences that happen every year, and then a list (either same place or separate) listing what the date of the next known one is, whether or not we've contacted the organizer, what speakers we have there, etc., etc. Okay, found a mail that might help that was in my board-list archives. Here's a cut and paste of the mail from Malcolm - Glynn === This involves a number of steps and I have made a start on a couple of these: (1) Knowing which conferences are coming up in each area of the world and when their paper submission dates are. - attached to this mail is the start of such a list (ordered by conference date. I need to make a similar list ordered by submission date). Naturally, as you can see, a number of submission dates have already passed by. In such cases, I have listed if there are any GNOME related talks being given. - I have concentrated on desktop-, consumer- and developer-related conferences. There are other conferences at which GNOME talks have been given (e.g. Daniel Veillard's presentation at XML Europe last year) but which are more of a niche market and which require particular speakers to give effective talks. - This list is far from complete. Can people send me any other conferences they know about (including submission deadlines and/or a website so I can scrounge out the info and monitor things). In particular, I have nothing for any South American countries and nothing for Spain, although both areas had conferences last year, if I recall correctly. I suspect there are a couple of British (particularly London-based) conferences that I have missed. I am also not going to be surprised if I have missed a number of significant European and North American summer conferences. - In 2004, we need to also be looking at 2005 conferences. Submission deadlines are months in advance of the conference, so by around mid-2004 we (the entire GNOME community) are going to have to have got our act together for conferences in the first couple of months of 2005. (2) Contacting GNOME volunteers and user groups in the appropriate areas to see if they can help out with demonstration stands and giving talks, etc. (3) Preparing a kit to help kickstart such demonstrations. - There have been posts to various mailing lists over the past few years about what people have learnt when helping out at a GNOME stand at conferences. I am trying to track down all of those. - We need to have something like a HOWTO available for people who want to do this kind of stuff. Possible also a HOWTO for somebody wanting to give a talk about GNOME to the general population. Sometimes it is just a matter of giving people ideas of what they can talk about and convincing them that it is not such a big job, since the people they are talking to may know very little about GNOME. (4) Complete this list. Currently it only contains three significant points. There are probably more. See attached - 2004 == January: 12 - 17: linux.conf.au - http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ (or http://linux.conf.au/) - Adelaide, Australia - much GNOME (and peripherally related) involvement: James Henstridge, Malcolm Tredinnick, Jeff Waugh, Havoc Pennington, Keith Packard, Glynn Foster spread between the main conference and a couple of the preceding mini-conferences. 20 - 23: LinuxWorld Conference Expo - New York, USA February: 3 - 5: Linux Solutions - Paris, France - http://www.solutionslinux.fr/en/index.php - costs for exhibition space. 9 - 12: O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference - San Diego, USA - http://conferences.oreillynet.com/etech/ - too late for this year. Keep in mind for 2005 conference. 11 - 13: Linux Asia - New Delhi, India - http://www.linuxasia2004.com/ - speaker registration closes Jan 22,
liveCD craaaaaaaaaaaaack (and call for volunteers)
So... does anyone think it would be insane to put servers (hula, asterisk, jabber) on the liveCD and have the gnome tools point at them? Would anyone volunteer to look into this? :) Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
