Re: friendsofgnome

[Jaap A. Haitsma]

I now notice that the original message of Stormy is almost a year old.
I was already suprised having 33 new threads unread in the marketing
list this morning. Did the moderator approve many old messages or is
it a bug in gmail?

Jaap

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:22, Jaap A. Haitsma  wrote:
>
> Hi Stormy,
>
> This does not seem to work. I can't access the site with my google account.
>
> Furthermore I think that many people in the community will be opposed
> to using a closed source tool, while we have a wiki that is open
> source. Moinmoin also has a WYSIWYG editor see
> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinFeatures
>
> I guess that is disabled on live.gnome.org or the version on
> live.gnome.org is too old. You could take it up with the sysadmin team
>
> Jaap
>
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 21:26,  wrote:
> > I have invited you to share a Google Site:
> >
> > friendsofgnome
> > https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?followup=http%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Ffriendsofgnome&service=jotspot&reqemail=marketing-list%40gnome.org
> >
> > After creating your account and responding to the verification email, visit
> > your site at
> > http://sites.google.com/site/friendsofgnome/
> >
> > I created a site in Google Sites so that we can edit HTML. I'm not sure how
> > much of a step up this is from the wiki ...
> >
> > It's by invite only - this invite is going to the whole marketing mailing
> > list.
> >
> > ---
> > Google Sites are websites where people can view, share and edit information.
> > To learn more, visit http://sites.google.com/
> >
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> > marketing-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
> >
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Re: friendsofgnome

[Jaap A. Haitsma]

Hi Stormy,

This does not seem to work. I can't access the site with my google account.

Furthermore I think that many people in the community will be opposed
to using a closed source tool, while we have a wiki that is open
source. Moinmoin also has a WYSIWYG editor see
http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinFeatures

I guess that is disabled on live.gnome.org or the version on
live.gnome.org is too old. You could take it up with the sysadmin team

Jaap

On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 21:26,  wrote:
> I have invited you to share a Google Site:
>
> friendsofgnome
> https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?followup=http%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Ffriendsofgnome&service=jotspot&reqemail=marketing-list%40gnome.org
>
> After creating your account and responding to the verification email, visit
> your site at
> http://sites.google.com/site/friendsofgnome/
>
> I created a site in Google Sites so that we can edit HTML. I'm not sure how
> much of a step up this is from the wiki ...
>
> It's by invite only - this invite is going to the whole marketing mailing
> list.
>
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> To learn more, visit http://sites.google.com/
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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Willie Walker]

Hi All:

On the accessibility front, it would be highly desirable to choose an 
encoding format that allows for closed captioning.  My accessible video 
knowledge is pretty limited, though, to even be able to make a 
suggestion for what to use.


Will

Paul Cutler wrote:
I know this is slightly off topic, but I used the latest version of 
Pitivi at Writing Open Source to transcode the keynotes from my 
camcorder to ogg, and came away pretty impressed with PiTiVi since I 
last used it a year ago.  (Speaking of dogfood and all).


Paul

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna  
wrote:


Jay,

How did it go?  I talked with J5 (John Palmieri) and he said he was
going to represent GNOME there.  I am of course very interested in
setting up something in this regard.  John had a pretty nice post on
this and I'm eager to set up something where we can dogfood our
video apps and be able to have a common site for tutorials and what not.

sri

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Stormy Peters
mailto:stormy.pet...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anybody have any feedback for Jay on whether or not the
following tutorials will be useful to us? (I assume the
tutorials will be viewable remotely.)

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jay dedman
mailto:jay.ded...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey Stormy--

Just following up to see if you had any further ideas on
tutorials for the Open Video Conference.
We're discussing them now amongst ourselves.

*  How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really
  good (H264 is the standard comparison)
*  How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the
   tag
*  How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
*  What can we do with the  tag???

Not sure if any of this is of interest to you.

Jay


On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jay dedman
mailto:jay.ded...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 >> Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as
that's where
 >> we've been discussing a video project.
 >> If we had an online guide to publishing practices for
open video
 >> (including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many
projects would
 >> find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to
share them we
 >> could build up a good archive ...
 >
 > Hey Stormy--
 >
 > (I'm cc'ing our partner, Michael Verdi, on this email.)
 >
 > As Dean said, we plan to organize a table at the Open
Video Conference where
 > video creators can get together to learn to use all this
new HTML5 +
 > Ogg/Theora on their sites. We're going to get down and dirty.
 >
 > Our goal is to make some video tutorials for the
conference in response to
 > some of the most commonly asked questions:
 >
 > How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good
(H264 is the
 > standard comparison)
 > How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
 > How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
 > What can we do with the  tag???
 >
 > We'll be publishing these videos to our work-in-progress
site, Freevlog.org.
 > There's also Makeinternet.tv where we could crosspost.
 >
 > Let us know what you guys had in mind. As video creators,
we're currently
 > trying to figure all that's possible with HTML5 and the
new Firefox.
 >
 > Jay
 >
 > --
 > http://ryanishungry.com
 > http://jaydedman.com
 > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
 > 917 371 6790
 >
 >
 >



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Re: Promoting Gnome Foundation trough sponsored people

[Glynn Foster]

On 2/06/2009, at 8:29 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:

Just two ideas:

Besides the sponsorship given (travel airfare and/or accommodation),  
we

could give to sponsored people a nice Gnome t-shirt with a legend such
as: "I'm attending to this conference thanks to Gnome Foundation" (or
something better).

Baris told me that Linux Foundation has a similar policy.

It is a way to promote Gnome Foundation, and makes people aware about
the effort we are doing and how we are working together in our  
project.


A trip report from all sponsored attendees is a must IMO - not just  
about the fun times they had during late night partying, but also  
identifying the sessions they thought were interesting, the trends  
coming out of the conference, or any other detail that would be  
interesting enough for external media people to pick up.



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Re: Promoting Gnome Foundation trough sponsored people

[Diego Escalante Urrelo]

On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 16:29 -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
> Just two ideas:
> 
> Besides the sponsorship given (travel airfare and/or accommodation), we
> could give to sponsored people a nice Gnome t-shirt with a legend such
> as: "I'm attending to this conference thanks to Gnome Foundation" (or
> something better).
> 

+1!

How many sponsored guys do we have this year? 40? 30?, making t-shirts
for them all would cost... ? Probably we can get something cheap with
whoever is doing the t-shirts for the conference.
If more people think it's a good idea we can contact the Canarias
people.

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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Paul Cutler]

I know this is slightly off topic, but I used the latest version of Pitivi
at Writing Open Source to transcode the keynotes from my camcorder to ogg,
and came away pretty impressed with PiTiVi since I last used it a year ago.
(Speaking of dogfood and all).

Paul

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

> Jay,
>
> How did it go?  I talked with J5 (John Palmieri) and he said he was going
> to represent GNOME there.  I am of course very interested in setting up
> something in this regard.  John had a pretty nice post on this and I'm eager
> to set up something where we can dogfood our video apps and be able to have
> a common site for tutorials and what not.
>
> sri
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>
>> Anybody have any feedback for Jay on whether or not the following
>> tutorials will be useful to us? (I assume the tutorials will be viewable
>> remotely.)
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Stormy--
>>>
>>> Just following up to see if you had any further ideas on tutorials for
>>> the Open Video Conference.
>>> We're discussing them now amongst ourselves.
>>>
>>>-  How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is
>>>the standard comparison)
>>>-  How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
>>>-  How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
>>>-  What can we do with the  tag???
>>>
>>> Not sure if any of this is of interest to you.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jay dedman 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as that's where
>>> >> we've been discussing a video project.
>>> >> If we had an online guide to publishing practices for open video
>>> >> (including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many projects would
>>> >> find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to share them we
>>> >> could build up a good archive ...
>>> >
>>> > Hey Stormy--
>>> >
>>> > (I'm cc'ing our partner, Michael Verdi, on this email.)
>>> >
>>> > As Dean said, we plan to organize a table at the Open Video Conference
>>> where
>>> > video creators can get together to learn to use all this new HTML5 +
>>> > Ogg/Theora on their sites. We're going to get down and dirty.
>>> >
>>> > Our goal is to make some video tutorials for the conference in response
>>> to
>>> > some of the most commonly asked questions:
>>> >
>>> > How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is the
>>> > standard comparison)
>>> > How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
>>> > How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
>>> > What can we do with the  tag???
>>> >
>>> > We'll be publishing these videos to our work-in-progress site,
>>> Freevlog.org.
>>> > There's also Makeinternet.tv where we could crosspost.
>>> >
>>> > Let us know what you guys had in mind. As video creators, we're
>>> currently
>>> > trying to figure all that's possible with HTML5 and the new Firefox.
>>> >
>>> > Jay
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > http://ryanishungry.com
>>> > http://jaydedman.com
>>> > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
>>> > 917 371 6790
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://jaydedman.com
>>> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
>>> 917 371 6790
>>>
>>>
>>>
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GNOME 3.0 Marketing Campaigns

[Paul Cutler]

Hi, I'm hoping to keep the conversation going around marketing ideas for
GNOME 3.0.

To follow up on the brief [2] I posted a couple weeks ago, I'd like to
discuss potential marketing campaigns around 3.0.  Claus actually put
together the first campaign idea a couple months ago [1], and I also added a
couple.

These are meant to get the conversation started, including the campaign,
slogan, and marketing vehicles we could in the campaigns.

We need to agree on a campaign and slogan, define what marketing vehicles we
want to use and the timing, and find volunteers to build the content and
market the campaign.  I've updated the Marketing brainstorming page with
links to three campaign ideas at:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeThreeBrainstorming

The first campaign is Claus' original idea he posted to the list, and the
third campaign needs to be fleshed out a bit more, but it's similar to the
second idea.

Please post your feedback, suggestions and recommendations.

I need to finish up a draft of the marketing calendar that takes the
campaign to the next step, and lays out some timelines for developing the
content for the campaign and deploying it in sync with the GNOME 2.28 / 3.0
development cycle.

Paul


[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2009-April/msg00091.html
[2] http://live.gnome.org/MarketingBrief2009
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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

Jay,

How did it go?  I talked with J5 (John Palmieri) and he said he was going to
represent GNOME there.  I am of course very interested in setting up
something in this regard.  John had a pretty nice post on this and I'm eager
to set up something where we can dogfood our video apps and be able to have
a common site for tutorials and what not.

sri

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:

> Anybody have any feedback for Jay on whether or not the following tutorials
> will be useful to us? (I assume the tutorials will be viewable remotely.)
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:
>
>> Hey Stormy--
>>
>> Just following up to see if you had any further ideas on tutorials for the
>> Open Video Conference.
>> We're discussing them now amongst ourselves.
>>
>>-  How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is
>>the standard comparison)
>>-  How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
>>-  How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
>>-  What can we do with the  tag???
>>
>> Not sure if any of this is of interest to you.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as that's where
>> >> we've been discussing a video project.
>> >> If we had an online guide to publishing practices for open video
>> >> (including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many projects would
>> >> find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to share them we
>> >> could build up a good archive ...
>> >
>> > Hey Stormy--
>> >
>> > (I'm cc'ing our partner, Michael Verdi, on this email.)
>> >
>> > As Dean said, we plan to organize a table at the Open Video Conference
>> where
>> > video creators can get together to learn to use all this new HTML5 +
>> > Ogg/Theora on their sites. We're going to get down and dirty.
>> >
>> > Our goal is to make some video tutorials for the conference in response
>> to
>> > some of the most commonly asked questions:
>> >
>> > How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is the
>> > standard comparison)
>> > How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
>> > How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
>> > What can we do with the  tag???
>> >
>> > We'll be publishing these videos to our work-in-progress site,
>> Freevlog.org.
>> > There's also Makeinternet.tv where we could crosspost.
>> >
>> > Let us know what you guys had in mind. As video creators, we're
>> currently
>> > trying to figure all that's possible with HTML5 and the new Firefox.
>> >
>> > Jay
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://ryanishungry.com
>> > http://jaydedman.com
>> > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
>> > 917 371 6790
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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>> http://jaydedman.com
>> http://twitter.com/jaydedman
>> 917 371 6790
>>
>>
>>
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Re: www.gnome.org

[Lucas Rocha]

Hi Thilo,

We're working hard to have a more dynamic and appealing website as
soon as possible. The plan is to have a beta version by the 2.28
release. See details here:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven

The idea is not "just" about moving the website to Plone. It's about
putting together a refreshed presentation of GNOME and making it
easier to update the website. I'm trying to ensure that the people
working on Content, Design, and CMS are working towards a consistent
set of goals during this development cycle. So far, we're getting some
really good results.

You're welcome to contribute with opinions, suggestions, ideas,
content, design, etc.

Cheers!

--lucasr


2008/10/25 john palmieri :
> There has been work on the new site though I'm not sure what the status is,
> I'm guessing it is in GNOME SVN.  I think the people involved just got
> overwhelmed with other things.  If you wanted to volunteer I bet the web
> team would welcome your help.
>
> --
> John (J5) Palmieri
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Thilo Pfennig 
> wrote:
>>
>> Its frustrating that nothing happens on WGO. The problem is not all the
>> bugs or shortcomings of the website. The problem is the organization. I
>> also dont think that a technical new solution like Plone will magically
>> remove all organizational problems. Its easy to see bugs on web pages
>> but if those are not fixed the problem lies deeper.
>>
>> Concrete suggestions: Find somebody who will be the primary webmaster
>> (in a responsible sense, not so much technical) and find somebody who is
>> officially coordinating marketing efforts. There are many cooks but you
>> can never depend on anything that is said right now. Intransparency
>> kills involvement.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Thilo
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Fwd: [TOS] Madrid Mozilla Technologies Course - Pre-registration and scholarship application open

[Stormy Peters]

I'm not sure the marketing list is the right place for this but I thought of
it because it looks like a great marketing to new developers tool ...

I wonder if we could work with some of our partner companies to offer a 3
month online course on GNOME technologies. We could have different guest
speakers. And end in a hackfest.

Stormy

-- Forwarded message --
From: Gregorio Robles 
Date: Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:21 AM
Subject: [TOS] Madrid Mozilla Technologies Course - Pre-registration and
scholarship application open
To: tos 


[Please, forward this announcement to anyone who might be interested and
sorry for cross posting]

=== Madrid Mozilla Technologies Course (July - Oct 2009) ===

The Mozilla Foundation, Mozilla Europe and the Universidad Rey Juan
Carlos (Madrid, Spain) are organizing a three-month course on Mozilla
technologies. The course is almost completely on-line, but it includes a
one-week sprint in Madrid in July; the Mozilla Foundation and Mozilla
Europe will support financially up to 20 students, covering their travel
and accommodation costs.

Pre-registration (and application for scholarships for attending the
Madrid Sprint) is open until June 17th. The course is international and
will be given in English.

You can find further information -including outline, important dates,
FAQ and a forum- in the following web site:

http://mozilla.libresoft.es/

   regards, Gregorio

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Promoting Gnome Foundation trough sponsored people

[Germán Póo-Caamaño]

Just two ideas:

Besides the sponsorship given (travel airfare and/or accommodation), we
could give to sponsored people a nice Gnome t-shirt with a legend such
as: "I'm attending to this conference thanks to Gnome Foundation" (or
something better).

Baris told me that Linux Foundation has a similar policy.

It is a way to promote Gnome Foundation, and makes people aware about
the effort we are doing and how we are working together in our project.

Furthermore, I think we could ask for a general picture with all
sponsored attendants to any conference (with special emphasis in
Guadec), which could be added to the annual report.

We do not have a global picture from Guadec, but at least we could have
one with sponsored people.

Regards (and I apologize for the noise).

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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Stormy Peters]

Anybody have any feedback for Jay on whether or not the following tutorials
will be useful to us? (I assume the tutorials will be viewable remotely.)

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:

> Hey Stormy--
>
> Just following up to see if you had any further ideas on tutorials for the
> Open Video Conference.
> We're discussing them now amongst ourselves.
>
>-  How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is
>the standard comparison)
>-  How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
>-  How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
>-  What can we do with the  tag???
>
> Not sure if any of this is of interest to you.
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jay dedman  wrote:
> >
> >> Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as that's where
> >> we've been discussing a video project.
> >> If we had an online guide to publishing practices for open video
> >> (including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many projects would
> >> find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to share them we
> >> could build up a good archive ...
> >
> > Hey Stormy--
> >
> > (I'm cc'ing our partner, Michael Verdi, on this email.)
> >
> > As Dean said, we plan to organize a table at the Open Video Conference
> where
> > video creators can get together to learn to use all this new HTML5 +
> > Ogg/Theora on their sites. We're going to get down and dirty.
> >
> > Our goal is to make some video tutorials for the conference in response
> to
> > some of the most commonly asked questions:
> >
> > How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is the
> > standard comparison)
> > How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
> > How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
> > What can we do with the  tag???
> >
> > We'll be publishing these videos to our work-in-progress site,
> Freevlog.org.
> > There's also Makeinternet.tv where we could crosspost.
> >
> > Let us know what you guys had in mind. As video creators, we're currently
> > trying to figure all that's possible with HTML5 and the new Firefox.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > --
> > http://ryanishungry.com
> > http://jaydedman.com
> > http://twitter.com/jaydedman
> > 917 371 6790
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Jay dedman]

> Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as that's where
> we've been discussing a video project.
> If we had an online guide to publishing practices for open video
> (including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many projects would
> find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to share them we
> could build up a good archive ...

Hey Stormy--

(I'm cc'ing our partner, Michael Verdi, on this email.)

As Dean said, we plan to organize a table at the Open Video Conference where
video creators can get together to learn to use all this new HTML5 +
Ogg/Theora on their sites. We're going to get down and dirty.

Our goal is to make some video tutorials for the conference in response to
some of the most commonly asked questions:

   - How to compress using Ogg/Theora so it looks really good (H264 is the
   standard comparison)
   - How to embed the Ogg/Theora on a blog using the  tag
   - How to customize the player used in the new Firefox
   - What can we do with the  tag???

We'll be publishing these videos to our work-in-progress site, Freevlog.org.
There's also Makeinternet.tv where we could crosspost.

Let us know what you guys had in mind. As video creators, we're currently
trying to figure all that's possible with HTML5 and the new Firefox.

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Re: Open Video Guidelines (WAS: Re: [Foundations] Open Video Conference, NYU, June 19-20)

[Stormy Peters]

(Actually cc'ing the GNOME marketing list.)

Dean, Nicholas, Ryanne, Jay,

Nice to meet you! I'm cc'ing the GNOME marketing list as that's where
we've been discussing a video project.

If we had an online guide to publishing practices for open video
(including soliciting and sharing them), I'm sure many projects would
find it useful. In addition if we had a common place to share them we
could build up a good archive ...

Stormy

> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Dean Jansen  wrote:
>> Hi Stormy,
>>
>> Do you know Ryanne Hodson or Jay Dedman? They came up with the idea of an
>> open video help booth. They're two video bloggers who have been on the scene
>> for a long time and who really care a lot about open video (they publish a
>> feed in theora! ). They've been doing video how-to's and media fluency
>> education for a long time (freevlog.org, showinabox.org, etc), and will be
>> working w/ Michael Dale and a handful of other FOSS video hackers to make
>> sure the booth is "always on" and that we're sharing the best and most up to
>> date info for authoring open video.
>>
>> Maybe there's some kind of collaboration that could come out of the booth...
>> like an online guide to publishing best practices for open video. I don't
>> know if GNOME has a good place to publish them, but makeinterenettv.org and
>> FLOSSmanuals.net both come to mind as good outlets. Are there other places
>> too?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean Jansen
>> Outreach Director
>> Participatory Culture Foundation
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Nicholas Reville  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Stormy,
>>> That's a great question-- Dean Jansen, cc'd, is doing a lot of the
>>> planning and says that there's going to be a booth that's focused on this
>>> question.  He can tell you more and see if that would fit what you are
>>> hoping for.
>>> Also, we at Miro are always psyched to promote videos about FOSS in our
>>> Miro Guide and would also love to find more ways to collaborate with GNOME
>>> and make sure that the app is working well for everyone and get more
>>> developers involved.  Let me know if you have any suggestions for how we can
>>> reach out.
>>> Take care,
>>> nicholas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 11, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nicholas,
>>>
>>> The Linux Foundation recently did a Linux video contest and the GNOME
>>> Foundation is talking about creating a series of videos and maybe doing a
>>> contest. We had a long debate about formats, publishing mediums, etc and
>>> we'd like to have everything open.
>>>
>>> I don't know if anyone from the GNOME Foundation will be at the Open Video
>>> Conference, but it would be great to see a BOF that resulted in some
>>> guidelines of how open source projects could best create, collect, and
>>> promote videos about their projects.
>>>
>>> Stormy
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nicholas Reville 
>>> wrote:

 Hi Everyone,

 The schedule for the Open Video Conference that we're organizing is
 starting to finalize.  We'd love to have all of you there and please
 spread the word far and wide.

 I hope the event will really coalesce more activity and collaborations
 around the idea of "open video".  Video is the most closed medium
 online right now and we are going to need a whole free and open
 ecosystem working together-- from codecs to editors to publishing
 tools and distribution systems-- in order to get the real benefits
 that come from an open flow.

 Here's the conference website-- hope to see you there!

 http://openvideoconference.org/

 Take care,

 nicholas


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Re: [summary] "Gnome WGO site with Plone" project

[johannes raggam]

hi, 

On Thu, 2009-04-30 at 19:26 +0200, Carsten Senger wrote:
> These tickets are good starting points:

> Theme: Show last author in documentByLine
> Templates: Home: Add the "What is GNOME" block
> Policy: The feed to gnomefiles.org is missing
> We also need someone to do the LinguaPlone configuration. The 
> If it's necessary you can update the buildout to plone 3.3.
[...]

i think - and regarding to jens' taks list (see below) - plone has to be
updated to 3.3 before any other coding tasks.
many things of the framework have changed since 2.5. for example there
is a new facility to register blocks we have to make use of: portlets
and viewlets.


> In my opinion tasks are:
> 1 form a new group of gnome+plone people driving this project to 
>   success.
> 2 synchronize requirements with all participants 
> 3 update to Plone 3.2/3.3 (recent stable)
> 4 setup a public testing environment
[...]


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Re: New Project: GNOME YouTube Video Contest

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 07:38:37AM -0500, Luis Villa wrote:
> Endorsing/using proprietary software (AFAIK none of the free flash
> players plays youtube acceptably, at least using code that is legally
> available in the US.)
> 

-- 

Yes, there is that.  I'm not sure though how to get around this.  Flash
has become a de-facto standard for multimedia on the web.  Unless of
course we could convince google to help fund a free alternative (good
leverage against Adobe later)

On the other hand, success will gain us money to help fund an
alternative.

But the underlying purpose of the idea is that frequently our brand is
subsumed by the vendor/distro.  When people talk about a Redhat desktop,
SuSE desktop or whatever they refer to the default desktop for that
distro.  GNOME is hardly considered.

Having specific channels that highlight cool desktop tricks, application
tutorials like the gimp are all neat ways of bringing people from
different distros under the GNOME brand.

If there are alternatives, I'd like to hear them..

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Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

[David Bolter]

+1 for GOK ;)

Will, Peter Korn has put on decent live demos in the past with GOK...
showing desktop integration...  might be worth pinging him for ideas.
Please make sure you show off single switch scanning... and UI Grab...
word completion...  we can talk offline.

cheers,
davidb
Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi Willie,
>
> Willie Walker wrote:
>   
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/theming.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/keyboard-enhancements.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/enable-a11y.avi
>> 
>
> Cool stuff! You used "recordmydesktop", you say?
>
> One piece of feedback: I've found in my demos that setting high contrast
> large print inverse makes the desktop hard to put back the way it was,
> and some windows behave badly with the theme (some dialogs grows off the
> edge of the screen and I can't get at the buttons to dismiss the
> dialog). Have you found the same thing?
>
> I'm *really* looking forward to seeing a gok demo :)
>
>   
>> I'm kind of proud of the creative use of the cheese application in the
>> keyboard-enhancements video.  ;-)
>> 
>
> Very nice indeed :) Pity about some of the video artifacts, but
> definitely did the job.
>
>   
>> These were just quick unscripted
>> demos that I rattled off kind of fast, so there's definitely room for
>> improvement.  I wish, for example, I knew how to edit/splice things so I
>> didn't have to do them in one take.
>> 
>
> I guess Diva or Pitivi are the ones you need for a job like that?
> Although I haven't figured out how to split segments into different bits
> with that...
>
>   
>> Let me know what you think.  If you like them, I can do more for GOK,
>> Dasher, and Orca.
>> 
>
> GOK! GOK! I'd love to see one for Orca too, but I suspect it'd be a half
> an hour long (or would be 3 or 4 different segments - one for the
> magnifier, one for the screen reader, one for ...)
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
>   


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Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

[David Bolter]

+1 for GOK ;)

Will, Peter Korn has put on decent live demos in the past with GOK...
showing desktop integration...  might be worth pinging him for ideas. 
Please make sure you show off single switch scanning... and UI Grab...
word completion...  we can talk offline.

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Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi Willie,
>
> Willie Walker wrote:
>   
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/theming.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/keyboard-enhancements.avi
>> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/enable-a11y.avi
>> 
>
> Cool stuff! You used "recordmydesktop", you say?
>
> One piece of feedback: I've found in my demos that setting high contrast
> large print inverse makes the desktop hard to put back the way it was,
> and some windows behave badly with the theme (some dialogs grows off the
> edge of the screen and I can't get at the buttons to dismiss the
> dialog). Have you found the same thing?
>
> I'm *really* looking forward to seeing a gok demo :)
>
>   
>> I'm kind of proud of the creative use of the cheese application in the
>> keyboard-enhancements video.  ;-)
>> 
>
> Very nice indeed :) Pity about some of the video artifacts, but
> definitely did the job.
>
>   
>> These were just quick unscripted
>> demos that I rattled off kind of fast, so there's definitely room for
>> improvement.  I wish, for example, I knew how to edit/splice things so I
>> didn't have to do them in one take.
>> 
>
> I guess Diva or Pitivi are the ones you need for a job like that?
> Although I haven't figured out how to split segments into different bits
> with that...
>
>   
>> Let me know what you think.  If you like them, I can do more for GOK,
>> Dasher, and Orca.
>> 
>
> GOK! GOK! I'd love to see one for Orca too, but I suspect it'd be a half
> an hour long (or would be 3 or 4 different segments - one for the
> magnifier, one for the screen reader, one for ...)
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
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Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

[Steve Lee]

Willie, these are great and don't need that much polishing
I also think just the right level for advocacy so people can see what
accessibility options Linux/Solaris has.

* Get them on you tube so they can easily be linked to and included in
channels like AbilityNet's (http://uk.youtube.com/abilitynet)

* the volume was very low for me (mplayer on Ubuntu)

STeve

2008/10/1 Willie Walker :
> Hey All:
>
> Here's some quick examples of what I was thinking about for demos of the
> accessibility support for GNOME.  The target audience currently is
> unfortunately only for sighted people who can hear (sorry - it's my
> first real experiment with recordmydesktop), and these are geared more
> towards the short "elevator pitch" demo that you'd give at a talk rather
> than intending to be a complete tutorial.
>
> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi
> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/theming.avi
> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/keyboard-enhancements.avi
> http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/enable-a11y.avi
>
> I'm kind of proud of the creative use of the cheese application in the
> keyboard-enhancements video.  ;-)  These were just quick unscripted
> demos that I rattled off kind of fast, so there's definitely room for
> improvement.  I wish, for example, I knew how to edit/splice things so I
> didn't have to do them in one take.
>
> Let me know what you think.  If you like them, I can do more for GOK,
> Dasher, and Orca.  I can also redo these make them a little more
> professional if people think these are useful.  Remember, these are just
> for giving you an idea of what's available and not meant to be
> instructional videos.
>
> Will
>
> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 18:18 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Willie Walker wrote:
>> > I think the idea of stock presentations and demos (something you
>> > proposed earlier this year) is an awesome idea.
>>
>> Yup! Me too.
>>
>> > I need to ramp back up on this stuff soon as well since I will be doing
>> > a few presentations in the coming months.  I'm more than willing to put
>> > my stuff under some sort of public repository somewhere.  I'd prefer
>> > something that makes it really really easy for me to upload docs and
>> > also really easy obtain them.
>>
>> Me too. Right now we were using the wiki, but for presentations &
>> screencasts, that just seems wrong. That slide sharing site and YouTube
>> or Google Video seem like better fits.
>>
>> > What do you think about making some sort of gnome-marketing module in
>> > GNOME svn where we could be somewhat free about uploading and grabbing
>> > things?
>>
>> I wouldn't mind myself - I suspect that a significant minority of
>> participants in the marketing list probably don't have svn commit
>> access, though.
>>
>> > PS - We also have some money left over in the GNOME Outreach Program:
>> > Accessibility budget.  I was thinking about trying to create a task for
>> > someone to create a bunch of short screencast videos of the assistive
>> > technologies in action (i.e., here's theming, here's stickykeys, here's
>> > bouncekeys, here's GOK in dwell mode, here's Dasher, here's MouseTweaks,
>> > here's Orca, etc.).  What do you think about that?
>>
>> I think this is a wonderful idea! And an excellent way to get some
>> non-technical contributions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>>
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Re: [summary] "Gnome WGO site with Plone" project

[johannes raggam]

On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 08:46 -0700, Ross Patterson wrote:
> "Jens W. Klein"  writes:
> > I try to summarize:
> >
> > Plone people who want to help (please define your role): 
> > * Jens Klein (coordination and technical work, participate at sprint)
> > * Ross Patterson (take some technical tasks, ...)
> > * Tim Knapp (take some technical tasks, ...)
> > * Roberto Allende (take some technical tasks, ...)

I also want to add myself to the list and try to help with
half-a-day-a-week or more if needed.
* Johannes Raggam (thet) (take some technical tasks,...)

> >  
> > (more may follow if there are concrete todos)

cheers,
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Re: [summary] "Gnome WGO site with Plone" project

[David Bain]

Can we set a date for the Sprint? I'm thinking late July/Early August.
Then we can start to look at fund raising.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Roberto Allende  wrote:
>
>
> Jens W. Klein escribió:
>>
>> The project to implement www.gnome.org needs reanimation.
>>
>> In my opinion tasks are:
>> 1 form a new group of gnome+plone people driving this project to  success.
>> 2 synchronize requirements with all participants 3 update to Plone 3.2/3.3
>> (recent stable)
>> 4 setup a public testing environment
>> 5 make it work / fix bugs if any
>> 6 polish content and visuals
>> 7 setup live hosting
>> 8 go-live
>> 9 have a party ;-)
>>
>> Methods/Tools to reach the goal;
>>
>> * online coordination (mailinglists, probably IRC)
>> * wiki * bug tracker * sprint
>
> I do believe this is a very great plan.
>
>> Sprint:
>> David Bain offered to organize a sprint at Jamaica. From my experience its
>> a real good idea to have a sprint to push forward. This needs fundraising to
>> pay travel- and other expenses. Who can organize fundraising?
>
> Let's suppose we find someone to do the fundraising task :), which could be
> the date for the sprint ?
>
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Re: [summary] "Gnome WGO site with Plone" project

[Carsten Senger]

Hi Jens,
Hi Ross,
Hi all,

I'm missing the initial mail, so I answer to this one.

The most vital info source is http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup 
and the documentation of the buildout and the wgo.* packages.


Ross Patterson schrieb:

"Jens W. Klein"  writes:


The project to implement www.gnome.org needs reanimation.

I try to summarize:

Plone people who want to help (please define your role): 
* Jens Klein (coordination and technical work, participate at sprint)

* Ross Patterson (take some technical tasks, ...)
* Tim Knapp (take some technical tasks, ...)
* Roberto Allende (take some technical tasks, ...)


Jonathan Wilde (Speedbreeze) wrote the wgo.theme and worked on it during 
this month and said he would work further on the theme in the 
".gnome.org redesign status" thread:

http://dev.plone.org/old/collective/browser/gnomeweb-plone/wgo.theme/branches

 
(more may follow if there are concrete todos)


David Sapiro with Pilot Systems offered hosting for the site!

At Gnome we have:

invloved gnome people (please define your role)
* Murray Cumming
* Paul Cutler
* Vincent Untz
* David Bain (organizing sprint if funds raised)
who else?

technical we have
* Plone 2.5 site + buildout + integration (almost finished)
* all content for the new site already in an data.fs
* as i understood some visuals/ graphics are missing


The buildout is an 3.1.7 buildout
http://dev.plone.org/old/collective/browser/gnomeweb-plone/buildout/trunk/buildout.cfg

There is an installation script that creates a new plone site and 
imports the old content via gsxml. Read the readme of the buildout.


The theme needs some polishing. I did not look at the speedbreeze branch 
what bugs he resolved in his recent work.



In my opinion tasks are:
1 form a new group of gnome+plone people driving this project to 
  success.

2 synchronize requirements with all participants
3 update to Plone 3.2/3.3 (recent stable)




I'm happy to start updating a buildout to Plone 3 and doing the research
for any dependency/add-on compatibility whenever the time is right.
Just let me know.  :)

Ross


4 setup a public testing environment


I installed a public site so people can have a look. It's available at 
http://gnome.rehfisch.de. Until the dns record has propagates, it's 
reachable through http://rehfisch.de:8090/gnome20090430_105004


It's build with the speedbreeze branch. username and password are 'admin'.


5 make it work / fix bugs if any


As said before:
- Theme fixes and additions
- LinguaPlone configuration (especially showing english texts in the
  navigation if another language is choosen and an object is not
  availabel in that language.)
- Update to 3.3
- Cache-Fu configuration

The only other item on the list for a public release is an editing link 
for anonymous users that puts the article into a staging areas so it can 
be accepted by editors:


http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118291#c3

But this is considered optional and a non blocker at this point and it 
should not be reconsidered before there's a site that is ready to go live.


The list of current bugs can be found here:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=website&component=www.gnome.org&version=beta&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=VERIFIED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&query_based_on=gnomeweb-plone&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=
(If the link is screwed up, go to 
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsSetup and search for

"View all active bugs for gnomeweb-plone")


6 polish content and visuals
7 setup live hosting
8 go-live
9 have a party ;-)

Methods/Tools to reach the goal;

* online coordination (mailinglists, probably IRC)
* wiki 
* bug tracker 
* sprint


The gnome infrastructure has to be used for that, especially the wiki 
and the bugtracker. The complete current source is located in the 
collective so plone folks can start hacking away.



Sprint:
David Bain offered to organize a sprint at Jamaica. From my experience 
its a real good idea to have a sprint to push forward. This needs 
fundraising to pay travel- and other expenses. Who can organize 
fundraising?


Until then we can do a virtual sprint.

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Re: [summary] "Gnome WGO site with Plone" project

[Roberto Allende]

Jens W. Klein escribió:

The project to implement www.gnome.org needs reanimation.

In my opinion tasks are:
1 form a new group of gnome+plone people driving this project to 
  success.
2 synchronize requirements with all participants 
3 update to Plone 3.2/3.3 (recent stable)

4 setup a public testing environment
5 make it work / fix bugs if any
6 polish content and visuals
7 setup live hosting
8 go-live
9 have a party ;-)

Methods/Tools to reach the goal;

* online coordination (mailinglists, probably IRC)
* wiki 
* bug tracker 
* sprint


I do believe this is a very great plan.


Sprint:
David Bain offered to organize a sprint at Jamaica. From my experience 
its a real good idea to have a sprint to push forward. This needs 
fundraising to pay travel- and other expenses. Who can organize 
fundraising?


Let's suppose we find someone to do the fundraising task :), which could 
be the date for the sprint ?


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Re: www.gnome.org redesign status

[David Bain]

If we can raise the funds, I'm more than willing to organize and host a code
sprint here in Jamaica.
I'm sure there must be persons interested. Some of our guys here recently
helped to host the CampKDE event here in Jamaica, we have Gnome and Plone
people here too, who would be more than
willing to help with making a Jamaican code sprint happen.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Jens W. Klein wrote:

> Am Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:42:40 -0500 schrieb Paul Cutler:
>
> > Hi all, I've been thinking about Murray and Vincent's recent emails
> [...]
> > In a perfect world, if we had the people and resources, I would propose
> > having a new wgo by the time GNOME 3.0 launches a year from now.  I know
> > that goal is not very realistic, especially based on where we've been
> > over the last couple of years, but I wanted to throw it out there.
> >
> >
> > Murray said at the beginning of this month in his email update regarding
> > the wgo redesign
> > (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2009-April/
> msg2.html
> ):
> >
> > "There are still people working on a Plone site, though there hasn't
> > been much activity recently. I don't believe they will succeed, because
> > this has failed so often, but nobody should stop them from trying as
> > long as we don't have something else."  (Murray also mentions that a
> > large part of the work has been done as well).
> >
> > Vincent later in the email thread added some comments, including "plone
> > is not the best choice for GNOME because we have nobody active who will
> > be able to take care of it." though he did go on to add he didn't want
> > to have a discussion of what CMS we should use without a concrete plan
> > to address it.
> >
> > What's interesting to me about Vincent's comment specifically, is the
> > lgo page that discusses the choice of CMS back in 2006
> > (http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements):
> >
> > "The reasons for choosing Plone rely more on people than code, since
> > both tools could reach all the requirements with hacking and good will.
> > "
> >
> > I think this statement is even more true today.
>
> There are at least five people (including me) in the Plone Community
> willing to help to get the technical part done. Where we cant help is in
> writing or organizing content and visuals. One person/company would also
> host gnome wgo for free (as i understand while development and if needed
> also later after go-live).
>
> > I'd like to propose that we follow up on Vincent's comments and form a
> > small team to investigate if any other solutions might be a better fit.
> > It's possible in the last 2 1/2 years the technology and the members in
> > the community might have changed enough that we might want to think
> > about choosing a new CMS, based on the original requirements at
> > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements.  My first instinct would
> > be to evaluate Plone, Midgard (as it came in #2 last time ) and Drupal
> > (as it seems to have grown greatly in its use over the last couple of
> > years, and the major reason it wasn't chosen was i18n which may have
> > changed in this time).
>
> I'am sure Plone is still perfect (sure that I'am sure) and its much more
> perfect than it was 2 1/2 years ago.
>
> But anyway, another evaluation dont make wgo-site go live. It just binds
> resources to the task of evaluation. But otoh it would be interesting for
> us to see how Plone compares again.
>
> > If it's possible to put a small working team together to evaluate these
> > choices over the next 6-8 weeks and report back to the community, it may
> > help to reinforce the current decision, or it may encourage new
> > volunteers to come forward to work on a new solution.  I may not have
> > the technical skills to evaluate the different solutions, but I would
> > like to volunteer to help organize activities around this, including
> > finding volunteers (with help from the community), scheduling meetings,
> > and sharing progress and status updates with the GNOME community.
>
> From what I see the major problem is missing interest in building the
> website at gnome project. As I understand it would need a team of people
> to get it done. Plone Community offers technical help here. Teams Gnome
> people dont need to be IT-experts but experts for web-marketing and
> content. Also it needs a little dose of project management.
>
> > I don't mean to take anything away from everyone who has been working on
> > the wgo revamp.  But with GNOME 3.0 a year away, we have a unique
> > opportunity to build on the GNOME brand through marketing activities,
> > including the website, and I wanted to at least ask the question.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Paul
> [...]
>
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Evolution release, major regressions, and GNOME release process

[Andrew Montalenti]

I recently upgraded from Ubuntu Hardy to Ubuntu Intrepid.  Most of my
GNOME software worked well upon upgrade, there were even some
improvements.  However, a major piece of GNOME software that I use every
single day and that is important to both my personal life and business
stopped functioning correctly: Evolution.

>From 2.22 -> 2.24.3, Evolution redesigned its backend data store and
unleashed this onto users as a "stable release" with disastrous effects.
If you look at the evolution-list mailing list, you'll find lots of
discontent.  Basic things that existed in Evolution 2.22 -- basic
features -- no longer work.  For example:

* Search folders or searches including "unread message" status does not
work (regression)

* Declaring a search folder of a search folder (vfolder of a vfolder) no
longer works (regression).  For me and many others on the list, this
essentially meant that all of our vfolders stopped working altogether,
meaning that we had to reorganize our mail in a different way.
(regression)

* Unread message counts are incorrect vis-a-vis the reality.  For
example, every time I send a message, my inbox's unread message count
goes up by 1.  This despite the fact that there are no unread messages
there.  Others report even larger divergences. (regression)

* The "Unmatched" VFolder no longer exists.  (regression)

It turns out that these fixes still have no been committed even in Evo
2.26, released in March.  Brian J. Murrell on the evolution-list has
been indignant about this.

Why am I contacting the GNOME release and marketing teams?  Because I
consider Evolution to be one of the core pieces of software that GNOME
offers, and one that the release team should carefully watch when
declaring new "stable" releases of GNOME.

I think the fact that Evo was allowed to be released at this new version
with so many regressions is really a sad state of affairs, and suggests
that you need to reconsider your release process.  Evo worked fine at
2.22, and I see very few improvements between 2.22 and 2.24, only
regressions.  That suggests that someone on the Evo team thought it was
a good idea to "redesign the internals" without really committing to
what that entailed -- releasing the redesigned version to a small "beta"
community before declaring it to be the "stable version" released to
thousands of production users and including in all major distributions
as the latest and greatest STABLE software from GNOME.

I don't know what can be done about it now, but this reflects very badly
on GNOME for me.  I'm a long-time GNOME user (~ 10 years), and in recent
years as my computer has become more and more integral to my livelihood
(as a small business owner and software engineer), I have become more
and more hesitant about upgrading to the latest GNOME versions.  That's
why I was still running Ubuntu Hardy as of a week ago.  At least it
worked.  I upgraded to Intrepid only because Jaunty is right around the
corner, and I figured this would at least represent a "stable" snapshot
of software.  I guess I was wrong.

What does it say when some of your most committed users (users who have
hacking credentials -- I know C, GTK+, and GObject!) are hesitant to
upgrade to your latest stable releases?  Even worse, what does it say
when their hesitancy is justified?

I really want the best for GNOME and want to see this situation improve,
but I don't think it will unless someone with serious credentials within
GNOME takes a strong stand.

Andrew

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Re: New Project: GNOME YouTube Video Contest

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

Yeah, I don't think we are going to use it.  I personally should since
we're trying to grow market share and restricting ourselves to a portion
of the web that is already "drinking the koolaid" so to speak seems
silly.  However, that said, we can use this site:

http://en.theorasea.org/

The site seems a little slow.  I seem to recall that google video is
also a decent place that takes ogg.

sri

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:10:42PM -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote:
> On 3/18/09, Stormy Peters  wrote:
> > Who can help get a website set up to accept and display videos?
> >
> 
> Perhaps asking Linux Foundation to share their code or give us a
> 'channel'? We are not using YouTube (I think I recall something
> against it)?
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Re: Re: GNOME Marketing kick-off brainstorming event at Collaboration Summit?

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

More importantly, good papers would be great.  Last year, we had
plumbers with the kernel summit folks and we had some great output out
of that including the fast boot talk, sound conference etc.  This year
it's going to be more user focused, so I expect freedesktop,
packagekit folks, hal, dbus folks to be more in force dealing with the
other end.  So it's a great place for GNOME/KDE/X/Distro/Kernel folks
to hash out the linux platform and address weaknesses.

So if we could encourage papers and participation that would be great.
 I'll have more details on papers when I get them.

sri

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Stormy Peters  wrote:
> Amanda McPherson said they'd like to have GNOME there and said they could
> probably help out with travel expenses if necessary to make that happen.
>
> Stormy
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Gnome community calendar actually. If there is no GNOME community
>> presence, I'm GNOMEy enough for everyone. We had a lot last time although
>> nobody was there as a GNOME person exactly.
>>
>> sri
>>
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2009 7:43am, Dave Neary  wrote:
>> > Hi Sri,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:
>> >
>> > > I hope you will also add Linuxconf, and Linux Plumbers Conference to
>> >
>> > > your list.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Which list? The conferences I will attend, or the GNOME community
>> >
>> > calendar? I'm sure there will be a GNOME presence there for both, but it
>> >
>> > won't be me, I'm afraid. If you'd like to add events yourself, drop me a
>> >
>> > line & I'll add you as an admin (this goes for everyone on the list).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Dave.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Dave Neary
>> >
>> > GNOME Foundation member
>> >
>> > dne...@gnome.org
>> >
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Re: Re: GNOME Marketing kick-off brainstorming event at Collaboration Summit?

[sriram . ramkrishna]

Gnome community calendar actually. If there is no GNOME community presence,  
I'm GNOMEy enough for everyone. We had a lot last time although nobody was  
there as a GNOME person exactly.


sri


On Feb 2, 2009 7:43am, Dave Neary  wrote:

Hi Sri,



Sriram Ramkrishna wrote:

> I hope you will also add Linuxconf, and Linux Plumbers Conference to

> your list.



Which list? The conferences I will attend, or the GNOME community

calendar? I'm sure there will be a GNOME presence there for both, but it

won't be me, I'm afraid. If you'd like to add events yourself, drop me a

line & I'll add you as an admin (this goes for everyone on the list).



Cheers,

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Linuxconf and Linux Plumbing conference

[Sriram Ramkrishna]

I hope some of you are planning on attending the Linux Foundation's
Linuxconf, Linux Plumbers, and of course the X developer's conference
all in the seem week in September.

This will be a particular useful conference for desktop folks as we have
a confluence of power users, kernel developers, and x developers all hanging
out the same week.  If you're short on dollars, this is the place to get
best bang for buck.

I'm part of the planning and steering committee this year so I'd like to
see a strong GNOME presence.  Additionally, if there is any GNOME
Marketing events I would be happy to help facilitate that.  As other
people are planning summits that same week to take advantage of the pool
of people that are showing up.

Linux Plumbers Conference
23-25 September 2009
Portland, Oregon USA
Portland Waterfront Marriott Hotel

http://linuxplumbersconf.org/

If you got questions, you can send them to me.  I'll probably forward
you to the appropriate person.

Thanks,
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Re: GNOME Marketing kick-off brainstorming event at Collaboration Summit?

[David "Lefty" Schlesinger]

I am indeed planning on being at the Collab Summit, and yes, I¹d be
interested in participating


On 1/27/09 1:10 PM, "Stormy Peters"  wrote:

> Will you (or could you be) at the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit?
> 
> I'd like to have a brainstorming/kickoff event for GNOME Marketing team. I'd
> like to talk about:
> * Who are target audiences are.
> * How we define GNOME to those audiences. (I think "What is GNOME?" is a
> marketing question we desperately need to solve.)
> * 
> * What we'd like those audiences to do. (Use GNOME, spread the word?, build it
> into their products, give us money, ???)
> * 
> * What we'd like to stand for.
> * How we plan to get the message out.
> * Strategies to reach those audiences/markets in 2009.
> * Anything else we should talk about?
> 
> Are you interested in participating? Can you participate at the Linux
> Foundation Collaboration Summit,
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/collaboration-summit?
> 
> I look forward to hearing from you, whether or not you can attend.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Stormy
> 
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Re: GNOME & Southern California Linux Expo 7x

[Jeff Schroeder]

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Gareth J. Greenaway
 wrote:
> Greetings everyone,
>
> Just wanted to give a quick update on where things stood with GNOME
> being at SCALE 7x.  Jeff Schroeder has once agreed to head up the GNOME
> presence at the show.  Jeff and some local GNOME enthusiasts did an
> amazing job showcasing GNOME at the show last year.

This wouldn't have went near as well as it did last year without the
quick whit from the other volunteers. I'd like to thank Chris, Eric,
Jordan, Gareth, along with Ken Vandyne + the Foresight team.

There was no way to pull that off without them. Hopefully this time we
can make sure to get the official gnome booth from zana. There was a
disconnect somewhere last year and we were boothless. With the
excellent gnome marketing svgs and kinkos we managed. The "Gnome
Official Desktop of Happy People" flier was a big hit. It lead to a
few snarks asking if KDE4 was the desktop of sad people but I digress.

> We are still actively exploring the possibility of having a GNOME Zone
> at the show and have been attempting to contact the following projects:
> Banshee, Brasero, Cheese, Dia, Ekiga, Epiphany, Evolution, F-Spot,
> gedit, GDM, GStreamer, Nautilus, and Tomboy.  However, we currently have
> not received any response back from any of these projects.  We would
> appreciate any help.
>
> Our call for papers is still available and will be open until the 30th
> of November.  If anyone is interested in submitting any proposals please
> do so!
>
> Thanks!
> Gareth
>
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GNOME & Southern California Linux Expo 7x

[Gareth J. Greenaway]

Greetings everyone,

Just wanted to give a quick update on where things stood with GNOME
being at SCALE 7x.  Jeff Schroeder has once agreed to head up the GNOME
presence at the show.  Jeff and some local GNOME enthusiasts did an
amazing job showcasing GNOME at the show last year.

We are still actively exploring the possibility of having a GNOME Zone
at the show and have been attempting to contact the following projects:
Banshee, Brasero, Cheese, Dia, Ekiga, Epiphany, Evolution, F-Spot,
gedit, GDM, GStreamer, Nautilus, and Tomboy.  However, we currently have
not received any response back from any of these projects.  We would
appreciate any help.

Our call for papers is still available and will be open until the 30th
of November.  If anyone is interested in submitting any proposals please
do so!

Thanks!
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Re: [gugmasters] GNOME Events in 2009

[Jeff Schroeder]

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Dave Neary  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Adding gugmasters on CC - not sure if there are people there who aren't
> here, but the idea of that list was to gather at least one person per
> active GNOME user group, to allow the centralisation of information and
> the sharing of experiences.
>
> I noticed a few missing events where GNOME typically has a presence:
> Solutions Linux (France), LinuxTag (Germany), RMLL (France), Forum GNOME
> (typically part of either FISL or Latinoware in Brasil), Linux Expo UK, ...

Has a page been created for the North American Gnome Event Box? I'm not
finding one on the wiki and don't have my wiki credentials handy ATM.

>
> There are other wiki pages existing for this:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/Annual,
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/Past and
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents
>
> Also the history of the event box in Europe gives a good idea of GNOME
> presence at conferences: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/Schedule
>
> Hope this all helps! I added Solutions Linux, but I prefer to leave
> adding non-French events to people who know their local events better.
>
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>
> Stormy Peters wrote:
>> I'd like to see us put together a plan for GNOME participation in
>> conferences in 2009 or at least document what we are already planning.
>>
>> I started a wiki page with a number of open source events here,
>> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/events/2009. If everyone could
>> document what they know is happening, then we could discuss what else we
>> think we should be doing.
>>
>> I will also put the events in the GNOME calendar, but I wanted a place
>> we could plan and document our participation.
>>
>> Please take a look at the wiki page and add your comments. (Even if you
>> add what you know we did last year at any given event, that would be
>> helpful.)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Stormy


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Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo

[Khaled Hosny]

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:51 PM, Petr Kovar  wrote:
> "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" , Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:10:32
> +0700:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 1:34 AM, Petr Kovar  wrote:
>> > "Theppitak Karoonboonyanan" , Sat, 1 Nov 2008
>> > 14:00:06 +0700:
>> >
>> >> Let me add another difference between the direct logo localization
>> >> and the icon theming methods.
>> >>
>> >> Many Thai users don't like to use Thai translation. This is a popular
>> >> taste, despite how much translation effort and quality assurance has
>> >> been done. And that's why I put lower priority on translation than
>> >> infrastructure development. (I joined the team after having done enough
>> >> progress on GTK+, Pango, etc.)
>> >>
>> >> And by this practice, the logo localization will have limited effect,
>> >> while theming still allows Thai people who choose English locale to
>> >> change the logo.
>> >>
>> >> In summary, I'd propose icon theming + GNOME recognition of the
>> >> secondary logo.
>> >
>> > Let me ask you, those Thai people with such a non-Thai-locale taste
>> > likely have a better understanding of English or Western culture,
>> > right? (At least that's what I suppose.) So the foot logo shouldn't be
>> > a big problem for them then? Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
>>
>> Nope.The taste is popular just because software are badly translated
>> in general. And people feel more happy with original English terms
>> than guessing the translators' whim on choosing inconsistent
>> translated terms. Many are full with typos or misinterpretations, for
>> example. Kind of bad impression. And that habit is not changed when
>> they use GNOME, despite our heavy QA.
>>
>> There is nothing to do with English skill nor familiarity with Western
>> cultures.
>
> Sorry, but I can't understand this. In my way of thinking, one has to have
> rather good English skills in order to use (American) English locale. And
> I'm pretty sure that good English skills necessarily come with some level
> of familiarity with Western culture.

Not always true, here -in Egypt- most people prefere using English
interfaces for reasons similar to that mentioned above, even if they don't
understand most of it!

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Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo

[Sergey Panov]

Hello Theppitak,

you raised an interesting question. There a few precedents, but I doubt
those cases validate the solution you propose:
  The first precedent that comes to mind is the reason the cheap sedan
from USSR was named "Lada"(archaic Slavic for "beautiful girl") instead
of the original "Zhiguli"(mountains in the area the car factory was
build by Fiat) because it was phonetically too close to "Gigolo".
  Another one is the "Firefox" in fox hating counties. This one is more
ridiculous then the previous one -- "firefox" is not a fox, but a red
Panda(unrelated to the entire dog family to which the real fox belongs).

I've mentioned those two examples in the wain attempt to prove that some
(many/most) of the "cultural" sensitivities are ridiculous to the point
of being foony.

When I saw "foot"(long, long time ago) as a "Gnome Desktop" emblem I was
not happy. I thought that the stinkiest part of the human body did not
deserve to be an emblem of the one of the most important GNU projects.
It had nothing to do with the cultural(Russian) background, it was my
personal reaction. I am  still a Gnome "bigot" and that "Foot" does not
bother me much anymore (all emblems are stupid). I even find it kinda
cool now - rebellious, in-your-face sort of thing.   

Please, please think twice, trice, ... before claiming cultural
differences/problems. Please check if it is just you.

PS. To me, the good example of culturally insensitive emblem would be
the old indo-europen symbol for the raising sun ("kolovrat" in Slavic).
The next in line is the sickle-and-hammer variant.

> >  while modifying the core and redistributing it
> > means that their modifications must also be distributed;
> > I'm comfortable with that, and I also wouldn't mind if the project
> > received a little more attention (since the current license bars
> > the glade core from use in any commercial IDE),
> > I love seeing it in Anjuta, I would love to see it all over the place :)
> 
> Anjuta IDE is GPL and would be disadvantaged by proposed re-licensing.
> 
> > In a utopic situation, glade being available in bleeding edge IDEs
> > could even help draw attention to Gtk+ and GNOME.
> > 
> > It also wasnt exactly clearly stated that glade isn't
> > just a static application but mainly a core library
> > with plugins.
> > 
> > Btw Im something of a fan of your work and admittedly
> > a little flattered to receive your mail Richard :D
> > 
> > Cheers,
> >   -Tristan
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> >  while modifying the core and redistributing it
> > means that their modifications must also be distributed;
> > I'm comfortable with that, and I also wouldn't mind if the project
> > received a little more attention (since the current license bars
> > the glade core from use in any commercial IDE),
> > I love seeing it in Anjuta, I would love to see it all over the place :)
> 
> Anjuta IDE is GPL and would be disadvantaged by proposed re-licensing.
> 
> > In a utopic situation, glade being available in bleeding edge IDEs
> > could even help draw attention to Gtk+ and GNOME.
> > 
> > It also wasnt exactly clearly stated that glade isn't
> > just a static application but mainly a core library
> > with plugins.
> > 
> > Btw Im something of a fan of your work and admittedly
> > a little flattered to receive your mail Richard :D
> > 
> > Cheers,
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On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 13:27 +0700, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan wrote:
> Dear gnome-i18n,
> 
> I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
> conventions.
> 
> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
> And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
> to GNOME.
> 
> I am not asking to replace the foot logo. I just wish to have a secondary
> one which can also represent GNOME in my culture. But to convince
> people for the proposal, the effect of this issue may need some
> estimation.
> 
> Note that icon theming also helps at some degree to avoid showing the
> foot. But when talking about something outside the UI, such as
> screenshots in documentations, web site logos, and any other kinds
> of promotions, we need more consistency. That is, we need some
> alternative logo which people recognize as GN

Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo

[Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan]

Hi Karoonboonyanan,

I come from Malaysia. I do understand about the cultural issue regarding
foot in people  especially in the South East Asia area.

Currently, from my observation, there is no setback from people in Malaysia
with the usage of foot as GNOME logo. Most of the people that are interested
to use GNOME did not really care about the foot logo, but some do ask
question why foot was chosen as the logo.

As for alternative of the foot logo, maybe GNOME team can come up with a
simple "G" logo, that can be used for community that thinks foot is not nice
to associated with.

The same logo can then be used in the user interface, documentation, or
other material when you are trying to introduce GNOME to them.


On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan <
t...@linux.thai.net> wrote:

> Dear gnome-i18n,
>
> I believe this is an appropriate place to discuss about cultural
> conventions.
>
> How is a foot interpreted in your culture? Do you have the same
> issue I have met? In my culture, showing foot is considered rude.
> And the foot is not something to impress people who are totally new
> to GNOME.
>
> I am not asking to replace the foot logo. I just wish to have a secondary
> one which can also represent GNOME in my culture. But to convince
> people for the proposal, the effect of this issue may need some
> estimation.
>
> Note that icon theming also helps at some degree to avoid showing the
> foot. But when talking about something outside the UI, such as
> screenshots in documentations, web site logos, and any other kinds
> of promotions, we need more consistency. That is, we need some
> alternative logo which people recognize as GNOME.
>
> So, how about your culture? Is a foot considered offensive?
>
> Thanks,
> --
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> http://linux.thai.net/~thep/ 
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Theppitak Karoonboonyanan
>  wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have thought about this issue for a while whether it
> > should be raised or not, as the logo has been in use
> > for a long time. And I'm not sure if it's ever discussed
> > anywhere about the cultural issue with the GNOME's
> > foot logo, which may obstruct GNOME promotion in
> > some way.
> >
> > In Thai culture, and I'm pretty sure also in the nearby
> > regions, showing foot is considered rude, as it's the
> > lowest part of the body. And a variation of the word
> > 'foot' in Thai is used for scolding, in the tone close to
> > "f**k" or "b*tch" in English.
> >
> > I have had hard times introducing GNOME to Thai people
> > who never know about it before, and their reactions
> > are awkward when seeing the foot logo. I have to
> > explain that it's a footprint, not the foot itself. But that
> > doesn't help much, as footprint also indicates treading
> > with a foot.
> >
> > Some people simply refuse GNOME with the reason
> > that it's impolite.
> >
> > That sometimes makes me feel uncomfortable to
> > promote GNOME to new users as-is, or with
> > distributions that try to keep upstream look-and-feels
> > like Debian. But with Ubuntu or Fedora, where the
> > main menu logo is replaced with something else,
> > that's more OK. Just avoid letting them see the animated
> > foot on Epiphany or Nautilus, until they are familiar with
> > GNOME enough.
> >
> > I don't know if this is an issue for other cultures.
> > Just want to raise it for awareness on an obstacle.
> >
> > Should there be an alternative logo for GNOME?
> > For example, using a gnome head instead is OK.
> >
> > Regards,
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Re: Cultural Issue with the Foot Logo

[Claudio Saavedra]

El jue, 30-10-2008 a las 18:50 +, Calum Benson escribió:
> Even an open palm, like the GPE logo, is  
> potentially offensive in some places. 

"Talk to the hand"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk_to_the_hand_(expression)

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Re: www.gnome.org

[john palmieri]

There has been work on the new site though I'm not sure what the status is,
I'm guessing it is in GNOME SVN.  I think the people involved just got
overwhelmed with other things.  If you wanted to volunteer I bet the web
team would welcome your help.

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On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 6:45 AM, Thilo Pfennig wrote:

> Its frustrating that nothing happens on WGO. The problem is not all the
> bugs or shortcomings of the website. The problem is the organization. I
> also dont think that a technical new solution like Plone will magically
> remove all organizational problems. Its easy to see bugs on web pages
> but if those are not fixed the problem lies deeper.
>
> Concrete suggestions: Find somebody who will be the primary webmaster
> (in a responsible sense, not so much technical) and find somebody who is
> officially coordinating marketing efforts. There are many cooks but you
> can never depend on anything that is said right now. Intransparency
> kills involvement.
>
> Regards,
> Thilo
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Re: [Fwd: SCALE Calls For Non-Profit Exhibitors]

[Gareth J. Greenaway]

Hi Dave,

Dave Neary wrote:

The people I talked to over at Inkscape suggested that a "Graphics Zone"
with them, the GIMP, CinePaint, maybe Blender might be more appropriate,
and that a "GNOME Zone" would probably be most appropriate for GNOME,
Ubuntu, Foresight, and maybe other GNOME affiliated projects if they
want space.

  
A graphics zone is a great idea as well, especially one that focuses on 
open source graphics tools as a whole.  We'll look at pursuing it.

I'm not sure... seems to me like asking Ubuntu and Foresight to share a
stand won't work too well, but that said, we're guaranteed to see lots
of GNOME on display...

Cheers,
Dave.
  
At this point, both Ubuntu and Foresight have committed to having their 
own space.  I like the idea of the Zones for those groups that aren't 
able to maintain a booth solely on their own.


Thanks for the input! :)
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Re: [Fwd: SCALE Calls For Non-Profit Exhibitors]

[Jeff Schroeder]

(top posting to keep some sanity)

Yeah I'm interested in taking point on the gnome booth again this
year. Hopefully
this time we can track down the official gnome event box and not have to
ninja-launch our own. Chris was a lifesaver with his sweet computer setup
and kinkos saved the day:
http://flickr.com/photos/specialkevin/2260962337/in/set-72157603896957964/

The gnome booth being next to the foresight booth last year worked really well.

Dave, could you introduce me to Eitan? We didn't get a chance to meet him
that I recall.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Gareth J. Greenaway
 wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Thats a really good idea!  We're exploring that option with a few other
> related projects as well.  I could see us having a 2-3 booth setup as a
> GNOME Zone with some other GNOME related projects.  At this point we've
> contacted Foresight, Inkscape and GIMP, Inkscape will mostly likely be
> there again and GIMP is currently considering it.  Foresight has
> committed to being at SCALE again as well.
>
> The guys that we had at the show last year running the GNOME booth have
> expressed interest in doing that again, I am including them on this email.
>
> Once again, I think a GNOME Zone is a great idea!  Please let me know
> what I can do on our end to make it happen.
>
> Thanks!
> Gareth
>
> Dave Neary wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just got contacted by SCALE about having a booth this year - is anyone
>> interested in taking the organisation of this on? Eitan, are you
>> planning on SCALing again this year?
>>
>> I had a gem of an idea a while back - rather than take one GNOME stand,
>> it might be easier & better to ask for a GNOME Zone, with a bigger stand
>> shared among a bunch of different projects - we could invite the
>> Inkscape guys (who always have a stand in SCALE), perhaps Akkana Peck to
>> have a GIMP presence, and other GNOME-related projects like those, to
>> create a wider-ranging and more appealing & lively stand than just "GNOME".
>>
>> Looking at last year's exhibitors, at least OLPC and Inkscape might ave
>> been interested in co-organising stand space... add a couple more
>> projects in there and we start to have an attractive space.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Subject:
>> SCALE Calls For Non-Profit Exhibitors
>> From:
>> SCALE Team 
>> Date:
>> Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:00:23 -0700
>> To:
>> dne...@free.fr
>>
>> To:
>> dne...@free.fr
>>
>>
>> Wide spread acceptance and encouragement from the user community has 
>> established SCALE as a premiere Open Source Software conference. Continuing 
>> our efforts to promote Open Source software, we invite you to share your 
>> work on Free and Open Source projects with the rest of the FOSS community.
>>
>> If you'd like a expo booth for your project at the 7th Annual So Cal Linux 
>> Expo, please submit your proposal.
>>
>> The proposals should be submitted in the form of a 1-page extended abstract 
>> comprising:
>>1. The name of your group or open source project.
>>2. A group or project logo, and contact information including name and 
>> email address. (logo needed for publishing on the website)
>>3. A list or a brief description of the main points to be presented 
>> should be submitted. Please include enough detail that will enable the 
>> committee to evaluate the proposal.
>>4. Describe how your participation will benefit both the Southern 
>> California Linux Expo and the attendees.
>>
>> Submission formats in text or PDF will be accepted. Qualifying exhibitors 
>> will be allocated a booth in the SCALE exhibit hall which will include one 6 
>> foot table, two chairs, one network drop and one 500 watt electrical outlet.
>>
>> As we are attempting to increase awareness of open source software, it's 
>> highly desirable that demonstrations be conducted using free and open source 
>> software. All proposals shall be sent to gar...@socallinuxexpo.org.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [Fwd: SCALE Calls For Non-Profit Exhibitors]

[Gareth J. Greenaway]

Dave,

Thats a really good idea!  We're exploring that option with a few other
related projects as well.  I could see us having a 2-3 booth setup as a
GNOME Zone with some other GNOME related projects.  At this point we've
contacted Foresight, Inkscape and GIMP, Inkscape will mostly likely be
there again and GIMP is currently considering it.  Foresight has
committed to being at SCALE again as well.

The guys that we had at the show last year running the GNOME booth have
expressed interest in doing that again, I am including them on this email.

Once again, I think a GNOME Zone is a great idea!  Please let me know
what I can do on our end to make it happen.

Thanks!
Gareth

Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just got contacted by SCALE about having a booth this year - is anyone
> interested in taking the organisation of this on? Eitan, are you
> planning on SCALing again this year?
> 
> I had a gem of an idea a while back - rather than take one GNOME stand,
> it might be easier & better to ask for a GNOME Zone, with a bigger stand
> shared among a bunch of different projects - we could invite the
> Inkscape guys (who always have a stand in SCALE), perhaps Akkana Peck to
> have a GIMP presence, and other GNOME-related projects like those, to
> create a wider-ranging and more appealing & lively stand than just "GNOME".
> 
> Looking at last year's exhibitors, at least OLPC and Inkscape might ave
> been interested in co-organising stand space... add a couple more
> projects in there and we start to have an attractive space.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject:
> SCALE Calls For Non-Profit Exhibitors
> From:
> SCALE Team 
> Date:
> Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:00:23 -0700
> To:
> dne...@free.fr
> 
> To:
> dne...@free.fr
> 
> 
> Wide spread acceptance and encouragement from the user community has 
> established SCALE as a premiere Open Source Software conference. Continuing 
> our efforts to promote Open Source software, we invite you to share your work 
> on Free and Open Source projects with the rest of the FOSS community.
> 
> If you'd like a expo booth for your project at the 7th Annual So Cal Linux 
> Expo, please submit your proposal.
> 
> The proposals should be submitted in the form of a 1-page extended abstract 
> comprising:
>1. The name of your group or open source project.
>2. A group or project logo, and contact information including name and 
> email address. (logo needed for publishing on the website)
>3. A list or a brief description of the main points to be presented should 
> be submitted. Please include enough detail that will enable the committee to 
> evaluate the proposal.
>4. Describe how your participation will benefit both the Southern 
> California Linux Expo and the attendees.
> 
> Submission formats in text or PDF will be accepted. Qualifying exhibitors 
> will be allocated a booth in the SCALE exhibit hall which will include one 6 
> foot table, two chairs, one network drop and one 500 watt electrical outlet.
> 
> As we are attempting to increase awareness of open source software, it's 
> highly desirable that demonstrations be conducted using free and open source 
> software. All proposals shall be sent to gar...@socallinuxexpo.org.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Distro releases, responsibilities and Plone

[Christopher Warner]

I mailed you some personal thoughts about what I think. And for  
everyone
else - as Murray has pointed out there is still some work being done  
in

the background. Personally I dont think one should force those who do
this to make a premature release. I am willing to contribute on many
levels but think those who have more access and backing from the
community should be responsible and leading. Actually I cant do much
more than commenting and providing patches as a result of how GNOME is
organized today.

I like to help getting some things fixed and also some issues from the
list of TODOs. I also think if nobody cares nothing will change. I  
would

encourage rather the approach of just starting fixing things than the
lets wait for the thing that does it all. I even do not believe that a
deployed Plone will resolve most of the issues. I think a Plone could
help fixing:

* Creating new content for non techies be more easy
* Giving more users the right to add content.
* Make it easier to fix minor errors like spelling errors, updating
URLs, etc.
* Provide a site search
* help structure the content

But if I should guess I would expect that it would take at least six
more months to move most of the content to the Plone site once it is
deployed. And then still there will be pages that will have not been  
moved.


So I think its great if Plone will become the great tool ir promises  
to

be but I also think it will be a bug relief for those working on its
implementation if things are being fixed now.

I do not care if my patches are being replaced by something better in
the future, but as long as they are not here, I think its more  
important

to encourage people to sub, it patches and to apply them.

I also like to thank everybody who invested their time and effort up
till now.

Regards,
Thilo



In regards for patches, for the website that's one thing but for the  
Plone site; to date, since I last spent a solid couple of days working  
on it. Nothing has progressed. The main issue is rewriting the portlet  
code and I'd need a day or two to deal with it.


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Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations

[David Bolter]

Dave Neary wrote:
> Hi,
>
> David Bolter wrote:
>   
>> Will, Peter Korn has put on decent live demos in the past with GOK...
>> showing desktop integration...  might be worth pinging him for ideas. 
>> Please make sure you show off single switch scanning... and UI Grab...
>> word completion...  we can talk offline.
>> 
>
> And if you could show off using it with just a mouse, I'd be delighted,
> because then I'd be able to demo it (instead of being afraid to because
> of that infamous primary pointer has been disabled thing).
>
>   

That's fixed now :)  Grab the latest tarball and give it a whirl.

cheers,
davidb
> Cheers,
> Dave.
>   

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Collecting reviews of 2.24 release

[Dave Neary]

Hi all,

As with previous GNOME releases, I've been tagging articles mentioning
the 2.24 release with the tag "gnome224" (that is, I have been tagging
releases since 2.16 - this is the first time I've used the gnome224 tag
- just to avoid any pedantry ;) )

You can catch reviews of GNOME 2.24 at this tag:
http://delicious.com/tag/gnome224

And for GNOME 2.XX, try
http://delicious.com/tag/gnome2XX

It's interesting to see the impact of the release notes on the depth and
quality of the reviews, but it's also interesting to see some of the
not-so-positive things people have been saying over time, and trying to
pick some themes and trends out of it all.

Delicious being collaborative linking, if any of you come across
articles relating to this or past GNOME releases, it'd be great if you
could also tag them 'gnome2XX' for the appropriate value of XX.

Thanks!
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PayPal buttons for the Friends of GNOME page

[Rosanna Yuen]

Hi,

Attached are the snippets of code to create the buttons for the various
donation options on the Friends of GNOME page.  If other donation
options are desired, please let me know.

Thanks,
Rosanna
Friend:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate.png"; border="0" 
name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">




Associate:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate.png"; border="0" 
name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">




Benefactor:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate.png"; border="0" 
name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">



Sponsor:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate.png"; border="0" 
name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">



Patron:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate.png"; border="0" 
name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">




$5/month for a year:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate-monthly.png"; 
border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">



$10/month for a year:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate-monthly.png"; 
border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">



$20/month for a year:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate-monthly.png"; 
border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
https://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/scr/pixel.gif"; 
width="1" height="1">



$50/month for a year:

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr"; method="post">

http://www.gnome.org/friends/donate-monthly.png"; 
border="0" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!">
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Fwd: gnome si locale within next two months

[Danishka Navin]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Danishka Navin 
Date: Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Subject: gnome si locale within next two months
To: gnome-market...@gnome.org



Hello,

Is it possible to order few merchants for the following event?

Danishka


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From: Andre Klapper 
Date: Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: gnome si locale within next two months
To: gnome-i...@gnome.org


Am Freitag, den 29.08.2008, 16:36 +0530 schrieb Danishka Navin:
> I am doing a workshop on gnome localization for Sinhala (si) locale
> [1].
>
> Date: 3rd September 2008
> Location: Metatechno, WTC Colombo, Sri Lanka
> Target: to increase the gnome Sinhala translation status by 30% within
> next two months
>
> I am planning to work on trunk not branches.
> Is it ok?

"OK"? It's more than welcome, and trunk is the best choice as GNOME
2.24.0 (current trunk) will be packaged on September 22th. Go, go! :-)

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Slogans and Keywords for GNOME

[GNOME e. V. - Thomas Keup]

Hello from Berlin:

Here is the voting from the germany jury ;-)

"GNOME - big foot, smart desktop"

"GNOME - just use it."

"GNOME - part of my life"

"GNOME - around the world, around your desktop"

Greetings,

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friendsofgnome

[stormy . peters]

I have invited you to share a Google Site:

friendsofgnome
https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?followup=http%3A%2F%2Fsites.google.com%2Fsite%2Ffriendsofgnome&service=jotspot&reqemail=marketing-list%40gnome.org

After creating your account and responding to the verification email, visit  
your site at

http://sites.google.com/site/friendsofgnome/

I created a site in Google Sites so that we can edit HTML. I'm not sure how  
much of a step up this is from the wiki ...


It's by invite only - this invite is going to the whole marketing mailing  
list.


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Re: Revamping Friends of GNOME: help with web page text

[John Williams]

I am willing to help.  I can code HTML, have limited scripting skills and no
sense of graphic design.  However I am very customer focused (as opposed to
organisation focused).

Because I am customer focused I would like to find out what benefits people
seek in being a sponsor (in order to emphasise those benefits on the page).
Do we have information on that?  Even a simple analysis of click-throughs
would help.  If we provide links to more information on potential benefits,
which get hit most?

Lastly, a bit of advice on donating behaviour.  People are in general more
hesitant to donate to a vague, general goal (unless it really strikes to
their core values) and more willing to donate to something specific, with a
concrete outcome.

So (and this would help with GNOME's overall vision too, I think) every
year, or six months (to coincide with the release cycle) we could have a
nominated project that gets an extra "push" from donations.  If we could
then list how the donation money was spent this would provide explicit
motivation for future behaviour.  We need to build up a case history of past
successes.

The GNOME Marketing pages have a such a list. I think that beefing it up and
being more clear about its target audience(s) would be beneficial.  Think,
not deployments, but successes.  But we have to be careful not to degenerate
into self-congratulatory spin there.

I am also willing to help with this effort.

2008/8/4 Stormy Peters 

> Hi Marketing Folks,
>
> We're working on revamping Friends of GNOME. The technology is in
> place to allow for monthly donations but we haven't launched it yet.
> (Note that the FSF's associate membership program encourages people to
> donate $120/year in automated monthly installments:
> http://www.fsf.org/associate/dues.html.)
>
> On the Friends of GNOME web page I'd like to:
> - encourage people to donate monthly
> - target more than just GNOME Foundation members
> - show them what they're money is being used for
>
> I originally thought an "adopt a hacker" program would be cool where
> we highlighted developers that had received travel sponsorship but
> Brian Cameron pointed out that that would probably appeal to the
> current set of contributors but not branch out much.
>
> All that said, I could use some text for the actual page. The current
> page is here:http://www.gnome.org/friends/.
>
> I'd like to have a couple of sections:
> - Top intro that summarizes what this is all about: "Show your support
> for GNOME. Become a Friend of GNOME and "
> - List of things that GNOME does well. I'd like to list quite a few
> but maybe we could also have an "ad space" at the right that
> highlights things like "GNOME technology used by half a million kids
> worldwide in OLPCs", "GNOME on school kids desktops in Spain", ... In
> the general list we could list (with links) all the current stories we
> have in the marketing web site plus:
> - accessibility
> - localization
> - functionality: multimedia, mail, etc.
> - List of things we use money for directly:
>  - developer travel,
>  - printing and marketing materials,
>  - ...
> - Levels of sponsorship and gifts (probably should go towards the top
> of the page)
> - A link to all the current Friends of GNOME.
>
> Thoughts? Anyone willing to help with the web page?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stormy
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Re: Issuing a press release about GNOME 3

[Stormy Peters]

I'd be happy to help but I need to be added.

Thanks,

Stormy

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Vincent Untz  wrote:

> Le lundi 14 juillet 2008, à 13:00 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit :
> > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 10:37:06PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
> > > Yeah, we discussed this with Stormy. Definitely something to do.
> > > Also, I think we can start some document for the community, and some
> > > FAQ. Maybe also some slides that people can re-use to explain things.
> >
> > Rough document is at: http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3. I want to add loads
> > more stuff. The document is currently only readable by r-t members.
>
> I changed a few things here and there. I think we need some more work,
> though, because it's still a bit rough around the edges. Are there some
> people in the marketing team willing to help build the document? We'll
> add you to the acl so you can edit it.
>
> We might also want to start keeping track of the press articles talking
> about all this so we can know how people understand all this and adapt
> our communication. For example, I was quite pleased to read
>
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080714-gnome-3-0-officially-announced-and-explained.html
>
> Any volunteer wanting to help with that?
>
> Vincent
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Re: Next milestone - June 15 (Content structure, final design, contenttypes)

[Carsten Senger]

Hi Lucas,

thanks for managing the milestones.

--On Donnerstag, Mai 28, 2009 14:51:01 +0100 Lucas Rocha 
wrote:

[...]


- Design team: send a message to marketing-list, blog, twitter, etc to
get feedback


Where can I follow the progress and discussion for the design to see if I
can work on the content type display now?

[...]


- CMS team: maybe it's the case to start changing the content tree to
look more like what's been proposed by Content team? What do you
think?


The content structure is not defined by the cms. You get an complete
content tree if you follow the install current instructions cause it
imports a snapshot of the work the editors did in the past. The structure
is defined with the content by the editors (maybe different to other cms')

There are two strategies: move around, rename and delete exisisting content
in a site and add missing pieces or start a new site and cut/paste the old
content. I can help with this, but we should start this when we have a
dedicated editing site.

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Call for invitations to be the host of GNOME.Asia Summit 2009

[chen Emily]

Hi,

We are soliciting proposals for hosting GNOME.Asia 2009. The GNOME.Asia
Summit is planned to be an annual GNOME event hosted in Asia. We started the
GNOME.Asia Summit in 2008 and we want to continue this tradition and spread
GNOME throughout the Asian region.

The GNOME.Asia Summit will focus primarily on the GNOME desktop including
both applications and the development platform in addition to larger
GNOME-related community in Asia. The Summit brings together the GNOME
community in Asia to provide a forum for users, developers, foundation
leaders, governments and businesses to discuss a varied range of topics
relating to GNOME and the GNOME community in Asia. Learn more about
GNOME.Asia Summit from our website at http://www.gnome.asia/en/

The Summit has an active committee to assist the local coordinators, but
there is a definitive need for individuals actively involved and committed
to the planning and execution of the Summit. There are challenges to work
through but the process can be a very rewarding and a lot of fun.

GNOME.Asia is much like a tiny seed we want to grow into a tree in Asia. We
are looking for local organizers in any Asian country with the desire to
take on and succeed in the challenges of organizing an excellent GNOME
event.

The following two links are "must read items" for GUADEC, the European model
for the Summit. It has also worked well for GNOME.Asia Summit organizers :

How to: 
http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo?highlight=(guadec)|(howto)
Check list: http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo/CheckList

You will also find the template of GNOME.Asia Summit 2008 Proposal is very
helpful:
Download the *proposal template* from:
http://www.gnome.asia/static/upload/document/GNOME_Asia_Summit_proposal.pdf


Dear GNOME friends

For those of you who would like to host the next GNOME.Asia Summit in 2009
you are hereby invited to write a formal invitation to the GNOME.Asia
Committee list (asia-summit-l...@gnome.org) regarding your ideas for this
years signature Asian GNOME event! The deadline for submitting the proposal
is *15th, June, 2009. *

If you have any questions about the process or ideas you'd like to discuss
before submitting a proposal, you can reach us at asia-summit-l...@gnome.org
.

Thanks,
GNOME.Asia Summit Committee
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Re: GNOME Weekly News

[Rahul Sundaram]

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 09:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

Hi,

The idea was dropped by Jason on another list.  How to get started with
a "GNOME Weekly News" ala "Fedora Weekly News" [1] and Kernel Traffic
[2]?
The Fedora weekly news just like the release notes and other areas of 
Fedora works by dividing the otherwise considerably large amount of work 
into beats and then getting writers/editors to cover a particular beat 
with one master editor working to put together the final content.


Sure, I'm afraid I'm missing your point.


That a few people interested could follow a similar model to get started.

Rahul

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Re: GNOME Weekly News

[Rahul Sundaram]

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

Hi,

The idea was dropped by Jason on another list.  How to get started with
a "GNOME Weekly News" ala "Fedora Weekly News" [1] and Kernel Traffic
[2]?


The Fedora weekly news just like the release notes and other areas of 
Fedora works by dividing the otherwise considerably large amount of work 
into beats and then getting writers/editors to cover a particular beat 
with one master editor working to put together the final content.


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Beats

Rahul
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Gnome Live CD - Constructive suggestion from a newbie on Linux

[Ph. d'Oreye]

Constructive suggestion from a newbie on Linux

Some time ago I tried Kaella live CD (version may 2007), I found the KDE 3.5 
interface rather premitive.
So I wanted to try a Gnome live CD.

One speaks much about Ubuntu, but it appears not to have a live CD with the 
latest Gnome 2.22.
So Google found Mandrake, but the site was so ill disgned that amongst the 
lastest version, I didn't know if I would download a Gnome or KDE one. It 
appears to be the KDE 3.5 version (April 2008), which was so way slower to boot 
and run than the Kaella version. So much, that it turned me off the tried the 
Gnome one; probably luckily for Gnome community.

This time in Google choice send me to the Gnome website.
So I want to point 2 issues:
1/ apparently the latest version 2.22 is still under preparation, seems strange 
that it is still in preparation, but OK.
2/ as with others live CD, the website is not listing what's on the live CD, 
i.e. I wish to see something as
Gnome 2.22.
OpenOffice 2.4
Audacity 1.3.4
Gcompris 


So my points are the following:

1/ you communicate to a community who knows, if you want to reach as you claim 
10% of the market, you ought to communicate for newbies, because the meaning of 
communication is the response you get...

2/ live cd must be well designed, in terms of speed, otherwise you leave people 
with a bad impression - I throwed Madrake to the bin, but I kept Kaella in case 
of 

3/ live cd must be well designed, in terms of software choice, don't provide 
like Kaella a few programs to read text or videos, the very first concern when 
ones tries something, it to see that it works! Not that you have several way to 
do it, that's a more experienced step.

Hope that it won't hurt your feelings, as I know it's lost of personal efforts 
& emotions to develop what you do, but just want to be factual to ground 
principles if you to break into the world.

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