Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
I posted a mention in my blog, which _does_ get syndicated to Planet GNOME... On 1/15/10 12:46 PM, "Shane Fagan" wrote: > http://shanefagan.com/2010/01/15/debunking-the-gnome-3-myths/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Hi all, I finished up on my post about Debunking Gnome 3 Myths its here http://shanefagan.com/2010/01/15/debunking-the-gnome-3-myths/ its up on planet ubuntu but I dont have access to planet Gnome or anywhere else. Anyhow it has video and pictures and a load of info for people. Regards Shane Fagan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones
My understanding was that the nonprofit - the second link in the email I sent - sets it up for you and handles all the fees. We don't work directly with the providers but through them. If not, then http://www.mgive.com is cheaper but I don't think we should do it if we have to pay $100's a month. We can't justify it. Stormy On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote: > Team > > > > Here we go, with a response from one of the MGF’s ASPs. > > > > IN summary we are looking at: > > $700 in setup fee & $420/month + ).11/transaction (200 transactions free) > > > > Do we have data on how much we could looking at leveraging from this > method. I can mail other ASPs too and see their pricing structure. But I > don’t see us getting this for free. > > > > Advise > > Bharat Kapoor > > > > > > > > *From:* stormy.pet...@gmail.com [mailto:stormy.pet...@gmail.com] *On > Behalf Of *Stormy Peters > *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 12:49 PM > *To:* Bharat Kapoor > *Cc:* GNOME Marketing List > *Subject:* Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones > > > > Maybe you could send and cc me. :) > > You can use sto...@gnome.org or direc...@gnome.org. > > Keep this up and you'll have an @gnome.org address soon. > > Thanks! > > Stormy > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Stomry > > I looked at their site and to get the application material we need to > mail one of the ASPs > > g8wave Inc. Jeff Ostiguyj...@g8wave.com > Give by Cell Dave Asheim d...@givebycell.com > Give on the Go, LLC.Albert J. Angela...@giveonthego.com > iLoop Mobile, Inc. Shannon Burgess > shannon.burg...@iloopmobile.com > Mobile Cause George Morales supp...@mobilecause.com > Mobile Commons Jed Alpert j...@mcommons.com > MPower Giving Don Feuer d...@mpowergiving.com > Russ Reid, Inc.Tom Hooperthoo...@russreid.com > Wireless Factory Melody Page m...@wirelessfactory.com > > Once contacted we need to send a mail to: supp...@mobilegiving.org. > > Happy to do so, but it would help if the email went thru someone whit > a Gnome email address (I dont have one). If you think that will not be > an issue I'd be happy to send the mail and followup on this process. > > Best Regards > Bharat > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > > Today I saw this article: > > > http://www.frogloop.com/care2blog/2010/1/15/nonprofits-time-to-get-mobile.html > > > > Which points to this nonprofit service that covers the fees and passes on > 100% of the donations: (no fees!) > > http://www.mobilegiving.org/ > > > > From their FAQ and guidelines, it looks like GNOME more than qualifies. > Anyone willing to fill out their application and see if we can get GNOME in > the program? > > > > Stormy > > > > > > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones
On 1/15/10 11:15 AM, "Bharat Kapoor" <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote: > IN summary we are looking at: > $700 in setup fee & $420/month + ).11/transaction (200 transactions free) > If I¹m understanding this correctly, we¹d likely end up owing them money. Are we taking in over $420 a month in donations...? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > > All change forces users to do something (or to stick with what they > already have - no rule says you have to upgrade to the latest greatest > version of GNOME). Fighting against this is a losing battle. Better in > my opinion to be very straightforward about what's going & what's coming > and rather than trying to placate people, stick to "the party line" - > the new stuff is better than the old, nicer user interface, better > design, better for all users (including you) - I understand you don't > particularly want change, and you're free to keep using the old stuff, > but we think the new stuff's better". > > A somewhat "me too post"... The only thing I would worry about with respect to changes iat least in user interface is the training factor. Big shops would have put a lot of money/time in training people to use GNOME 2.x. If you move to shell then it costs them time and money again to change. If it is too large then they'll start shopping around for either KDE (which is okay in the context that we want people to stay on free software) or worse they'll move to another platform. As you say they don't have to move, but we want them to move so we can stop supporting some of the older technologies. We should be able to have some kind of method to switch back and forth between the old and new interfaces so that these people can make the transition at their own pace. A series of articles showing cool tricks and what not would be helpful to encourage them to use the new interface. But lets not force it on them or make them use older versions. People accept change at variable rates and we should allow for that. My two cents. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones
Maybe you could send and cc me. :) You can use sto...@gnome.org or direc...@gnome.org. Keep this up and you'll have an @gnome.org address soon. Thanks! Stormy On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stomry > > I looked at their site and to get the application material we need to > mail one of the ASPs > > g8wave Inc. Jeff Ostiguyj...@g8wave.com > Give by Cell Dave Asheim d...@givebycell.com > Give on the Go, LLC.Albert J. Angela...@giveonthego.com > iLoop Mobile, Inc. Shannon Burgess > shannon.burg...@iloopmobile.com > Mobile Cause George Morales supp...@mobilecause.com > Mobile Commons Jed Alpert j...@mcommons.com > MPower Giving Don Feuer d...@mpowergiving.com > Russ Reid, Inc.Tom Hooperthoo...@russreid.com > Wireless Factory Melody Page m...@wirelessfactory.com > > Once contacted we need to send a mail to: supp...@mobilegiving.org. > > Happy to do so, but it would help if the email went thru someone whit > a Gnome email address (I dont have one). If you think that will not be > an issue I'd be happy to send the mail and followup on this process. > > Best Regards > Bharat > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > > Today I saw this article: > > > http://www.frogloop.com/care2blog/2010/1/15/nonprofits-time-to-get-mobile.html > > > > Which points to this nonprofit service that covers the fees and passes on > 100% of the donations: (no fees!) > > http://www.mobilegiving.org/ > > > > From their FAQ and guidelines, it looks like GNOME more than qualifies. > Anyone willing to fill out their application and see if we can get GNOME in > the program? > > > > Stormy > > > > > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones
Hi Stomry I looked at their site and to get the application material we need to mail one of the ASPs g8wave Inc. Jeff Ostiguy j...@g8wave.com Give by Cell Dave Asheim d...@givebycell.com Give on the Go, LLC. Albert J. Angel a...@giveonthego.com iLoop Mobile, Inc. Shannon Burgess shannon.burg...@iloopmobile.com Mobile Cause George Morales supp...@mobilecause.com Mobile Commons Jed Alpert j...@mcommons.com MPower Giving Don Feuer d...@mpowergiving.com Russ Reid, Inc. Tom Hooper thoo...@russreid.com Wireless Factory Melody Page m...@wirelessfactory.com Once contacted we need to send a mail to: supp...@mobilegiving.org. Happy to do so, but it would help if the email went thru someone whit a Gnome email address (I dont have one). If you think that will not be an issue I'd be happy to send the mail and followup on this process. Best Regards Bharat On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > Today I saw this article: > http://www.frogloop.com/care2blog/2010/1/15/nonprofits-time-to-get-mobile.html > > Which points to this nonprofit service that covers the fees and passes on > 100% of the donations: (no fees!) > http://www.mobilegiving.org/ > > From their FAQ and guidelines, it looks like GNOME more than qualifies. > Anyone willing to fill out their application and see if we can get GNOME in > the program? > > Stormy > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Can you write an article on GNOME Journal instead and then follow up with blog posts? sri On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi Stormy, > > Le mercredi 13 janvier 2010, à 10:28 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > > I've heard quite a few concerns from very happy users that GNOME 3.0 is > all > > about GNOME Shell and will force them to use GNOME Shell. For example, > see > > this thread that a Friend of GNOME sent me: > > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13782. > > FWIW, I thought it was pretty clear, but it looks like it's still not: > gnome-panel & metacity will be available for use with GNOME 3.0 (they > probably wouldn't be part of 3.0 officially, I'd say, although we didn't > really discuss this), so people would still be able to use the old look > and feel for a while. > > [...] > > > I think it would be beneficial if the release team and the marketing team > > started coming out with blog posts and articles about what GNOME 3.0 is. > If > > people are willing to write those articles, I can help find publications > > willing to host them. > > I definitely agree, and I was intending to write various blog posts on > this topic, but it looks like people need to kick me hard to get me to > write a blog post ;-) > > (I'm happy to help the marketing team come up with a nice message if > help is needed there) > > Vincent > > -- > Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Accepting donations from mobile phones
Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: > Today I saw this article: > > http://www.frogloop.com/care2blog/2010/1/15/nonprofits-time-to-get-mobile.html > > Which points to this nonprofit service that covers the fees and passes > on 100% of the donations: (no fees!) > http://www.mobilegiving.org/ > > From their FAQ and guidelines, it looks like GNOME more than qualifies. > Anyone willing to fill out their application and see if we can get GNOME > in the program? Sounds great! Perhaps one way to get more take-up would be to offer GNOME art for phones (backgrounds, maybe some GNOME ringtones, just thinking out loud here) and on download to the phone pointing people to this donation page and asking for a $1 donation or something? Just a thought - I have no idea what would be involved to get that set up conveniently. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Accepting donations from mobile phones
Today I saw this article: http://www.frogloop.com/care2blog/2010/1/15/nonprofits-time-to-get-mobile.html Which points to this nonprofit service that covers the fees and passes on 100% of the donations: (no fees!) http://www.mobilegiving.org/ >From their FAQ and guidelines, it looks like GNOME more than qualifies. Anyone willing to fill out their application and see if we can get GNOME in the program? Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Hi, Andre Klapper wrote: > As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong > press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech > magazines on GNOME 3). Around the time that Firefox was ripping big chunks out of the Mozilla user interface (back when it was still called whatever it was called before Firebird), one of the developers came up with the stages of grief to show how users greet changes in applications they use: 1. Denial: "No, he can't have taken away (feature X, application Y, option Z), I just am not looking in the right place 2. Anger: "What do you mean you took away (feature X, application Y, option Z)? Put it back, I need it! You'll alientate big swarths of users! 3. Bargaining: "How about if we made it an option?" 4. Acceptance: "OK, it's gone for good, I might as well get used to living without it" > It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better and > more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users > to do to reduce FUD. All change forces users to do something (or to stick with what they already have - no rule says you have to upgrade to the latest greatest version of GNOME). Fighting against this is a losing battle. Better in my opinion to be very straightforward about what's going & what's coming and rather than trying to placate people, stick to "the party line" - the new stuff is better than the old, nicer user interface, better design, better for all users (including you) - I understand you don't particularly want change, and you're free to keep using the old stuff, but we think the new stuff's better". Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Paul Cutler wrote: > On 01/15/2010 06:50 AM, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > > El vie, 15-01-2010 a las 13:44 +0100, Andre Klapper escribió: > >> > >> As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong > >> press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech > >> magazines on GNOME 3). > >> Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use > >> zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've > >> also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, > >> and > >> gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. > >> > >> It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better > >> and > >> more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users > >> to do to reduce FUD. > >> > > > > What do you say if we go -sometime in the campaign- with a meme-like > > thing in the fashion of debunking myths. Really short posts or tweets > > about this common misinterpretations. > > For example: #gnome3 MYTH: you're forced to use gnome-shell; FACT: you > > can run gnome-panel+metacity if you prefer > > This is an awesome idea! > > It's a great idea. Can we format them in that format on the wiki page? And have a section for ones that are good to go. (Someone who knows has reviewed it.) Then we could have people start denting and twittering them. We could twitter from the GNOME account and from our personal accounts. Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Hi Stormy, > > Le mercredi 13 janvier 2010, à 10:28 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > > I've heard quite a few concerns from very happy users that GNOME 3.0 is > all > > about GNOME Shell and will force them to use GNOME Shell. For example, > see > > this thread that a Friend of GNOME sent me: > > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13782. > > FWIW, I thought it was pretty clear, but it looks like it's still not: > gnome-panel & metacity will be available for use with GNOME 3.0 (they > probably wouldn't be part of 3.0 officially, I'd say, although we didn't > really discuss this), so people would still be able to use the old look > and feel for a while. > > If that's true, it's probably a good thing to be saying publicly and to add to our FAQ for events. > [...] > > > I think it would be beneficial if the release team and the marketing team > > started coming out with blog posts and articles about what GNOME 3.0 is. > If > > people are willing to write those articles, I can help find publications > > willing to host them. > > I definitely agree, and I was intending to write various blog posts on > this topic, but it looks like people need to kick me hard to get me to > write a blog post ;-) > Kick. ;-) > > (I'm happy to help the marketing team come up with a nice message if > help is needed there) > Your blog posts would help. We could learn from them. Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
On 01/15/2010 06:50 AM, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > El vie, 15-01-2010 a las 13:44 +0100, Andre Klapper escribió: >> >> As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong >> press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech >> magazines on GNOME 3). >> Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use >> zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've >> also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, >> and >> gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. >> >> It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better >> and >> more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users >> to do to reduce FUD. >> > > What do you say if we go -sometime in the campaign- with a meme-like > thing in the fashion of debunking myths. Really short posts or tweets > about this common misinterpretations. > For example: #gnome3 MYTH: you're forced to use gnome-shell; FACT: you > can run gnome-panel+metacity if you prefer This is an awesome idea! > > That would already help I think. They key being short and concise, > because we can go on and elaborate on the future of stuff, but people > care about (meaning: will only read) the yes/no to their question. > > I guess we could even have a funky critter to associate, but that might > be bikeshedding :P. > I took the intitiative and created a GNOME 3.0 Myths page on live.gnome.org[1] linked from the Marketing wiki. I've added a couple questions and answers, with questions / myths in italics and the answers in bold. I think we'll need everyone's help in the GNOME community to keep this page up to date over 2010. Links to mailing lists or blogs to for citation in the answers would also be helpful. As we continue to add to it, I'd love to see people blog about it - especially if you add a new myth debunked - blog it and link to the wiki page. Please review my start just to make sure I'm not wrong in my answers too. :) Thanks! Paul [1] http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
El vie, 15-01-2010 a las 13:44 +0100, Andre Klapper escribió: > > As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong > press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech > magazines on GNOME 3). > Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use > zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've > also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, > and > gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. > > It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better > and > more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users > to do to reduce FUD. > What do you say if we go -sometime in the campaign- with a meme-like thing in the fashion of debunking myths. Really short posts or tweets about this common misinterpretations. For example: #gnome3 MYTH: you're forced to use gnome-shell; FACT: you can run gnome-panel+metacity if you prefer That would already help I think. They key being short and concise, because we can go on and elaborate on the future of stuff, but people care about (meaning: will only read) the yes/no to their question. I guess we could even have a funky critter to associate, but that might be bikeshedding :P. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Le vendredi 15 janvier 2010, à 13:44 +0100, Andre Klapper a écrit : > Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 12:24 +0100 schrieb Vincent Untz: > > Hi Stormy, > > > > Le mercredi 13 janvier 2010, à 10:28 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > > > I've heard quite a few concerns from very happy users that GNOME 3.0 is > > > all > > > about GNOME Shell and will force them to use GNOME Shell. For example, see > > > this thread that a Friend of GNOME sent me: > > > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13782. > > > > FWIW, I thought it was pretty clear, but it looks like it's still not: > > gnome-panel & metacity will be available for use with GNOME 3.0 (they > > probably wouldn't be part of 3.0 officially, I'd say, although we didn't > > really discuss this), so people would still be able to use the old look > > and feel for a while. > > As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong > press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech > magazines on GNOME 3). > Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use > zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've > also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, and > gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. > > It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better and > more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users > to do to reduce FUD. Oh, yes, I agree. It's really just highlighting that we're not doing a good job at communicating :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 12:24 +0100 schrieb Vincent Untz: > Hi Stormy, > > Le mercredi 13 janvier 2010, à 10:28 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > > I've heard quite a few concerns from very happy users that GNOME 3.0 is all > > about GNOME Shell and will force them to use GNOME Shell. For example, see > > this thread that a Friend of GNOME sent me: > > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13782. > > FWIW, I thought it was pretty clear, but it looks like it's still not: > gnome-panel & metacity will be available for use with GNOME 3.0 (they > probably wouldn't be part of 3.0 officially, I'd say, although we didn't > really discuss this), so people would still be able to use the old look > and feel for a while. As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech magazines on GNOME 3). Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, and gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better and more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users to do to reduce FUD. andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://www.iomc.de/ | http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
Hi Stormy, Le mercredi 13 janvier 2010, à 10:28 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > I've heard quite a few concerns from very happy users that GNOME 3.0 is all > about GNOME Shell and will force them to use GNOME Shell. For example, see > this thread that a Friend of GNOME sent me: > http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13782. FWIW, I thought it was pretty clear, but it looks like it's still not: gnome-panel & metacity will be available for use with GNOME 3.0 (they probably wouldn't be part of 3.0 officially, I'd say, although we didn't really discuss this), so people would still be able to use the old look and feel for a while. [...] > I think it would be beneficial if the release team and the marketing team > started coming out with blog posts and articles about what GNOME 3.0 is. If > people are willing to write those articles, I can help find publications > willing to host them. I definitely agree, and I was intending to write various blog posts on this topic, but it looks like people need to kick me hard to get me to write a blog post ;-) (I'm happy to help the marketing team come up with a nice message if help is needed there) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
