Re: GNOME 3 Marketing - GNOME Shell
El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 08:27 -0400, Owen Taylor escribió: There's always been the idea that the tent of GNOME is broader than the GNOME desktop distribution and there is certainly room for other options than GNOME Shell in there, but when we are selling the GNOME 3 desktop we need to be selling a single thing. Agree, you are right. So how we message the choice - what are the terms that a distribution should be using when talking about this choice. Should it simply be (*) GNOME 3 - enhanced experience ( ) GNOME 2 - reduced hardware requirements This is a perfect chance to craft those distribution guidelines we sometimes talk about. We can ask distributors to specifically frame this two options like that, with that wording. Otherwise they can break our message by accident by choosing other words. Not to hijack the thread but I wonder if someone would like to take a look at what we could possibly include in such guidelines if they are created. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Live media of GNOME 2.30
Le jeudi 01 avril 2010, à 10:37 -0400, Jud Craft a écrit : On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: Sorry, I forgot you said you'd take care of it. And, now it has been updated. I guess you fixed it then, thanks Olav! I'm not sure you can call it fixed if there's nothing there. The only The website got updated from git; that's the issue that got fixed. previous version on Live Image was 2.26, which seems to mean there wasn't an image for 2.28 either. Are Live Images not normally created with new GNOME releases? Yes. We've been told there'll be 2.30 images 2-3 days after the 2.30.0 release. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.orgwrote: Hi Marc!, El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 11:00 +0200, Marc Hanisch escribió: Hello list, my name is Marc Hanisch and I'm a professional (in the terms of payed ;-)) web developer from Germany. I want to contribute to the Gnome project in several ways and would be glad to spread the word about gnome :-) Welcome! You'll see that lately some topics are being discussed, take a few days to lurk around and feel free to offer opinions or taking up a task. Welcome, Marc! If you have any questions, let us know. I saw the the GnomeOnWindows[1] list and I'm wondering why GNU Cash isn't listed there? The compability list for Mac OS X seems to be outdated, as Gnumeric works very very well on Mac OS X, Pidgin is available via MacPorts, too and I think Evolution isn't maintained by Novell for Mac OS X anymore... I think those could be your first contributions! Feel free to edit the wiki if you have more accurate and updated information. I guess that GNU Cash is not there because it's not absolutely a GNOME app, but I wouldn't be so sure... anyone knows what's the criteria? I think GNU Cash should be listed there. It is a useful app used by many GNOME users. Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME Wish List
I have created a GNOME Wish List[1]. Let me know what you think before I advertise it to a wider audience. A bit of background. The GNOME Board of Directors was getting a lot of requests for things like hardware and I was then passing those requests on to our advisory board sponsors one by one. We decided it would be nice to have a page where we could track the things that we need or that we've asked for. I started it out with a mixed list of things ... Stormy [1] http://live.gnome.org/WishList -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
Hey Diego, hello Stormy, 2010/4/2 Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.orgwrote: Hi Marc!, El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 11:00 +0200, Marc Hanisch escribió: Hello list, my name is Marc Hanisch and I'm a professional (in the terms of payed ;-)) web developer from Germany. I want to contribute to the Gnome project in several ways and would be glad to spread the word about gnome :-) Welcome! You'll see that lately some topics are being discussed, take a few days to lurk around and feel free to offer opinions or taking up a task. Welcome, Marc! If you have any questions, let us know. Thanks for the warm welcome :-) I saw the the GnomeOnWindows[1] list and I'm wondering why GNU Cash isn't listed there? The compability list for Mac OS X seems to be outdated, as Gnumeric works very very well on Mac OS X, Pidgin is available via MacPorts, too and I think Evolution isn't maintained by Novell for Mac OS X anymore... I think those could be your first contributions! Feel free to edit the wiki if you have more accurate and updated information. I guess that GNU Cash is not there because it's not absolutely a GNOME app, but I wouldn't be so sure... anyone knows what's the criteria? I think GNU Cash should be listed there. It is a useful app used by many GNOME users. So I made some changes to the Wiki list above and added GnuCash. Although Novell doesn't seem officially to provide any Mac OS X builds of Evolution anymore, it is available through the Fink project whereas it's not in the MacPorts project. I think it should be easy to provide a common Gnome environment for OS X with a underlying Fink or MacPorts installation. So the non technical enduser wouldn't notice all the powerfull unix tools behind but could use it. Maybe there are other Mac OS X users on the list, so we could discuss what applications are must-have-items on OS X and how to provide such a package or CD of Gnome?! I would also appreciate two simple but well designed webpages for Windows and Mac OS X users (like the Gnome release pages) to show the benefits of using Gnome on other operating systems than Unix / Linux / BSD. There could be a little help on installing Gnome and a link to the packages... Any interests? Best regards, Marc -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Marc Hanisch dubst3...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it should be easy to provide a common Gnome environment for OS X with a underlying Fink or MacPorts installation. So the non technical enduser wouldn't notice all the powerfull unix tools behind but could use it. Perhaps I'm not very well-versed with Fink/MacPorts, but don't these require a bit of command-line fu to get something up and running? IIRC, using MacPorts or Fink requires the user to: * Install Apple's dev tools so they have access to X11 and compilers, etc. * Install Fink/MacPorts * Then run things like port install xxx and so forth to get packages. Not trying to dissuade you at all from promoting GNOME tools on Mac OS X, but I'm not sure that those build steps are going to work well for non-technical users. We should *absolutely* be promoting GNOME packages that have native OS X installers. And we should have information about compiling GNOME packages for OS X for users who can be interested in digging a bit deeper, but I'd call those pre-technical users. :-) Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
Hello Zonker, 2010/4/2 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Marc Hanisch dubst3...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it should be easy to provide a common Gnome environment for OS X with a underlying Fink or MacPorts installation. So the non technical enduser wouldn't notice all the powerfull unix tools behind but could use it. Perhaps I'm not very well-versed with Fink/MacPorts, but don't these require a bit of command-line fu to get something up and running? IIRC, using MacPorts or Fink requires the user to: * Install Apple's dev tools so they have access to X11 and compilers, etc. * Install Fink/MacPorts * Then run things like port install xxx and so forth to get packages. Not trying to dissuade you at all from promoting GNOME tools on Mac OS X, but I'm not sure that those build steps are going to work well for non-technical users. You're right, you need the dev tools. But all those steps like 'port install gnumeric' could be done by a graphical installer and 'package manager'. But this requires someone with experience in Objective C and Cocoa programming... We should *absolutely* be promoting GNOME packages that have native OS X installers. And we should have information about compiling GNOME packages for OS X for users who can be interested in digging a bit deeper, but I'd call those pre-technical users. :-) So it would be easier, as you mentioned, to give an overview of all those applications, that work without compiling. Just clicking a dmg and move the application to the application folder. Maybe we could create a list / wikipage with users in the mailinglist interested in Gnome on Mac OS X?! Or are there so few ;-) ? Best regards, Marc -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
On 2010.04.02, at 9:28 AM, Marc Hanisch wrote: Hello Zonker, 2010/4/2 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Marc Hanisch dubst3...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it should be easy to provide a common Gnome environment for OS X with a underlying Fink or MacPorts installation. So the non technical enduser wouldn't notice all the powerfull unix tools behind but could use it. Perhaps I'm not very well-versed with Fink/MacPorts, but don't these require a bit of command-line fu to get something up and running? IIRC, using MacPorts or Fink requires the user to: * Install Apple's dev tools so they have access to X11 and compilers, etc. * Install Fink/MacPorts * Then run things like port install xxx and so forth to get packages. Not trying to dissuade you at all from promoting GNOME tools on Mac OS X, but I'm not sure that those build steps are going to work well for non-technical users. You're right, you need the dev tools. But all those steps like 'port install gnumeric' could be done by a graphical installer and 'package manager'. But this requires someone with experience in Objective C and Cocoa programming... http://porticus.alittledrop.com/index.html http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/ We should *absolutely* be promoting GNOME packages that have native OS X installers. And we should have information about compiling GNOME packages for OS X for users who can be interested in digging a bit deeper, but I'd call those pre-technical users. :-) So it would be easier, as you mentioned, to give an overview of all those applications, that work without compiling. Just clicking a dmg and move the application to the application folder. Maybe we could create a list / wikipage with users in the mailinglist interested in Gnome on Mac OS X?! Or are there so few ;-) ? I'd be interested, if you do! Best regards, Marc -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
Hi, Marc! On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 15:07 +0200, Marc Hanisch wrote: ... I would also appreciate two simple but well designed webpages for Windows and Mac OS X users (like the Gnome release pages) to show the benefits of using Gnome on other operating systems than Unix / Linux / BSD. There could be a little help on installing Gnome and a link to the packages... Any interests? The GNOME on Windows Wiki page was started when we discussed the GNOME web re-design. There are still two pages reserved for the purpose. See the URL structure at the end of this page: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/TwoPointTwentyseven/Content But maybe we should use a separate domain if we need more space to explain stuff. What do you think? Regards, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
Hello Zonker, 2010/4/2 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Marc Hanisch dubst3...@googlemail.com wrote: I think it should be easy to provide a common Gnome environment for OS X with a underlying Fink or MacPorts installation. So the non technical enduser wouldn't notice all the powerfull unix tools behind but could use it. Perhaps I'm not very well-versed with Fink/MacPorts, but don't these require a bit of command-line fu to get something up and running? IIRC, using MacPorts or Fink requires the user to: * Install Apple's dev tools so they have access to X11 and compilers, etc. * Install Fink/MacPorts * Then run things like port install xxx and so forth to get packages. Not trying to dissuade you at all from promoting GNOME tools on Mac OS X, but I'm not sure that those build steps are going to work well for non-technical users. You're right, you need the dev tools. But all those steps like 'port install gnumeric' could be done by a graphical installer and 'package manager'. But this requires someone with experience in Objective C and Cocoa programming... We should *absolutely* be promoting GNOME packages that have native OS X installers. And we should have information about compiling GNOME packages for OS X for users who can be interested in digging a bit deeper, but I'd call those pre-technical users. :-) So it would be easier, as you mentioned, to give an overview of all those applications, that work without compiling. Just clicking a dmg and move the application to the application folder. Maybe we could create a list / wikipage with users in the mailinglist interested in Gnome on Mac OS X?! Or are there so few ;-) ? Best regards, Marc -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Wish List
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:35 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: I have created a GNOME Wish List[1]. Let me know what you think before I advertise it to a wider audience. A bit of background. The GNOME Board of Directors was getting a lot of requests for things like hardware and I was then passing those requests on to our advisory board sponsors one by one. We decided it would be nice to have a page where we could track the things that we need or that we've asked for. I started it out with a mixed list of things ... I think that this is a fantastic start but I would add that we are always looking for companies/organizations to host hackfests. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Wish List
On Fri, 2010-04-02 at 06:35 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: I have created a GNOME Wish List[1]. Let me know what you think before I advertise it to a wider audience. A bit of background. The GNOME Board of Directors was getting a lot of requests for things like hardware and I was then passing those requests on to our advisory board sponsors one by one. I would suppose that most distributions might got compiled results about hardware provided by users using smolt. Fedora at least has the following: http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/ Would that help somehow? nelson. We decided it would be nice to have a page where we could track the things that we need or that we've asked for. I started it out with a mixed list of things ... Stormy [1] http://live.gnome.org/WishList -- Nelson Marques Private Contact- 07...@ipam.pt -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Story-boarding Video 1: Less interruptions
As we discussed at the November hackfest, these videos are inspired by the seven videos at http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/. The current plan is to copy that style with one deviation: the final marque will have a large blank space in which distros can place their branding. Underneath the blank space will be with GNOME 3 in a smaller font. In this way, the distros get marketing videos and introductory videos that ship with their first GNOME 3 release and we increase the probability of people seeing these videos. I have created a page on the GNOME Wiki with the first story board idea [1]. Please let us know what you think and please suggest other topics in the section provided. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME - Gnome
At the November hackfest, we briefly discussed and were all enthusiastically in support of changing the case of GNOME branding from GNOME to Gnome. I have floated this idea with others over the past few months and haven't gotten any negative feedback. What about others? Have you discussed this with others and what were their feelings? Just to be clear, no other part of our branding would be changed under this proposal. If we're going to do this, 3.0 seems like the perfect opportunity. I think that we should decide how we feel as the Marketing Team leading up to the Zaragoza, Spain hackfest and try and come to a final decision by then. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 23:01 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Hi Marc!, El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 11:00 +0200, Marc Hanisch escribió: Hello list, my name is Marc Hanisch and I'm a professional (in the terms of payed ;-)) web developer from Germany. I want to contribute to the Gnome project in several ways and would be glad to spread the word about gnome :-) Hi Marc ! Welcome on board :) I saw the the GnomeOnWindows[1] list and I'm wondering why GNU Cash isn't listed there? The compability list for Mac OS X seems to be outdated, as Gnumeric works very very well on Mac OS X, Pidgin is available via MacPorts, too and I think Evolution isn't maintained by Novell for Mac OS X anymore... Feel free to edit the wiki if you have more accurate and updated information. I guess that GNU Cash is not there because it's not absolutely a GNOME app, but I wouldn't be so sure... anyone knows what's the criteria? Evince has a Windows version that is not listed on that page (there is a Windows version since 2.28) -- Juanjo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Sanne: We've had contact briefly about usabillity. I agree with you that this is something that would be of interest for any government, and I want to have a talk about this in the pre-conference. Can you help me getting the GNOME people who are knowledgable about this to prepare something for the pre-conference? That would be really great. I've also had contact with your Colleague Willie Walker (who pointed me to Javier Martinez) about this. I'm hoping I can get someone from ONCE to talk about this as well. Although I do promote accessibility, I am probably not well enough informed to help put together much for such a formal presentation. I would think that having this discussion on the gnome-accessibility-l...@gnome.org mailing list would be a better place to seek such help than on the GNOME marketing-list. Peter Korn (peter.k...@oracle.com) has done some significant work with the AEGIS project in Europe, so he has experience dealing with a11y and European governments. But I know that Willie has already given you that pointer. Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME - Gnome
Hi, I am very much against this. Gnome reminds of the the imaginary tiny creatures. At least you can see GNOME is an acronym, and you can guess it doesn't have anything to do with those. If the argument is that the acronym isn't appropriate anymore, I suggest finding a new a new one. Also Gnome is visually very unpleasing. The GNOME type in the logo looks very good. I'd rather go with finding a new name than changing the case. Hylke On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: At the November hackfest, we briefly discussed and were all enthusiastically in support of changing the case of GNOME branding from GNOME to Gnome. I have floated this idea with others over the past few months and haven't gotten any negative feedback. What about others? Have you discussed this with others and what were their feelings? Just to be clear, no other part of our branding would be changed under this proposal. If we're going to do this, 3.0 seems like the perfect opportunity. I think that we should decide how we feel as the Marketing Team leading up to the Zaragoza, Spain hackfest and try and come to a final decision by then. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME - Gnome
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Alex Launi alex.la...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Hylke Bons hylkeb...@gmail.com wrote: Gnome reminds of the the imaginary tiny creatures. So what? Gnomes are adorable, intelligent creatures. They believe in strong communities, and wear silly hats. We should be thrilled to be associated with such creates. Well it would be nice if we knew what it said on the tin. At least you can see GNOME is an acronym, and you can guess it doesn't have anything to do with those. GNOME is a horrible acronym. GNU Network Object Model Environment. WHAT??? Seriously, what the hell does that mean? Looks like you didn't read my whole reply. Hylke -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME SWOT Analysis
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 08:30 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: Hi Claus ! I think you've done quite a good job! Especially concerning the concerns... I was amazed reading that someone thought about all these. And I really like how you tried to link each SWOT point to a certain objective or attribute. Well, thanks for the nice words, but I only put on a paper all the concerns I've found everywhere :) If you don't mind, here are a few suggestions you may want to consider in later revisions of the document: == Mission Statement == Instead of copying from web pages, a reformulation of GNOME's goal would be nice. I admit it's sort of scattered across different sites, but the goal in broad terms is not so complicated. Here's a suggestion: to provide a desktop environment and development platform for personal computers, as well as mobile and embedded devises, that is Free Software, Open Source, and usable for people all over the world. The last one is basically a short cut for proper Usability, Accessibility, Internationalization and Localization. What GNOME is, is often just a secondary goal, in my opinion -- a means to an end. For example, there's no inherent value in being 'supported' unless you need to be supported to reach some other goals. (Strictly speaking, the above formulation still lacks something, otherwise we already reached all goals and everybody could go home right now. It's obviously insufficient to just 'provide' certain things.) I totally agree that our mission statement should be revisited and updated. It would be great if we have a better mission statement for the new website. Hey marketing folks, what do you think ?. Can we start a new threat to discuss this ?. == SWOT Matrix == Under this definitions, you may want to reconsider some points in your analysis. Some examples: * Free Software is hardly an internal, helpful condition to achieve the objective(s). In fact, it's part of the objective, thus it can't be a strength. Hmm, I see your point, but GNOME is free software, what we want is to deliver this freedom to all the users. All our pieces of software are free and we support other free software projects. You can say that we have a free software culture or something like that. * The same holds for Good internalization support and Good Accessibility support. This is more of a status description. Well, I have to put some things on the strengh areas for making feel us better just joking :P We have control about the i18n support and we are delivering GNOME in a lot of languages. We have control about this and it is working moderately well. Windows XP have support to 19 languages, GNOME have support to many languages, 34 languages have 90% or more of its interface translated. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb688176.aspx http://l10n.gnome.org/releases/gnome-2-30/ The same goes with a11y. I put this on the strengh part because we are using a lot of technologies made in GNOME, like AT-SPI or Orca -with Sun Microsystems support- for giving a11y support. We are leading a11y support on the free desktop. http://accessibility.kde.org/developer/comparision.php * GNOME brand is known in the FLOSS world. is more of an external, helpful condition. About the GNOME brand, it is true that can be situated on other place. This sort of strengh is to indicate that we have a brand, though I have indicated weaknesses areas related with branding. * Aspire to be the platform of choice for opportunistic desktop developers. is hardly an external condition. It's, dunno, another secondary objective or so... I don't think this objetive is so secondary. If someone want to do a small program, we want that this person thinks about using GNOME for doing that. Our users are also developers ;) * APIs and ABIs changes no scheduled in enough advance... is certainly something internal, not external, since we do the scheduling, no? Distributions don't know in enough advance when we are going to commit such changes in GNOME (we don't have rules about this). For example, Ubuntu has Long Term Support editions, and they should know when we are going to make big changes because releases after big changes are usually more buggy. Moreover, there have been some debate about cadence, and GNOME can contribute to help on this http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/290 Distributions are our main way to deliver our free desktop to our users, we can make easier their job, we are helping ourselves Best regards, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME SWOT Analysis
On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 03:59 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote: I'm doing something already for some time with Stephano in the Fedora Project. Though it's still a bit stopped now (due to goddard release), I can provide some guidance help on that. I've done already SWOT's in the past (for the Portuguese Footwear Industry, ACAPO and am doing one for the Aveiro City Hall - Municipal Stadium Administration). I am not sure on how you pretend to accomplish this, basically I've made a small document for Strength's: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/SWOT_STR which will be complemented by the community (currently working on the communication email). But this is probably only going to happen after F13 release. Anything ring my bell. I'm not dead, though due to the nature of some personal issues and some overload from Fedora release I'm a bit more away from this list. It's great you have experience on SWOT analysis. I like your early stage SWOT analysis for Fedora. I only want to help to improve the strategic management of GNOME. If we finally define how to work on strategy and when to revisit the SWOT document again, I'm sure you can help on this. Best regards, -- Juanjo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
