Re: GNOME.Asia lightning talk re GNOME 3 marketing

2011-03-07 Thread Pockey Lam 

On 03/08/2011 09:29 AM, Frederic Muller wrote:

Hi!

I'd say GNOME 3.0 might not be useful as we'll have zillions of talks 
related to GNOME 3.0. Marketing GNOME could be, but with a very 
specific focus as we'll also have (or should have) talks on this topic.


List of currently approved talks are available here:
http://2011.gnome.asia/en/p/Talks2011/ but we're still receiving new 
submissions.

Indeed, we have

~ 1/3 talks is related to GNOME 3
~ 1/3 talks is GNOME technical talks
~ 1/3 talks is marketing talks e.g. contributing to GNOME talks
It's a very balanced mix!

Regarding lightning talks:
I thought of two topics:
1) Friends of GNOME - to push our subscription program
2) Marketing GNOME in Asia

Emily and myself can give the talks. However, since 90%+ of our talks 
are already related to GNOME 3 or GNOME, we also want to leave some 
spots for participants to apply to talk about some other projects :)


Pockey




Thanks.

Fred

On 03/08/2011 07:45 AM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2011Summit/LightningTalks

Allan, or someone else who is planning on going to the Bangalore summit:
want to sign up for a lightning talk about GNOME 3 or marketing GNOME?

-Sumana




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Re: GNOME.Asia lightning talk re GNOME 3 marketing

2011-03-07 Thread Frederic Muller 

Hi!

I'd say GNOME 3.0 might not be useful as we'll have zillions of talks 
related to GNOME 3.0. Marketing GNOME could be, but with a very specific 
focus as we'll also have (or should have) talks on this topic.


List of currently approved talks are available here:
http://2011.gnome.asia/en/p/Talks2011/ but we're still receiving new 
submissions.


Thanks.

Fred

On 03/08/2011 07:45 AM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2011Summit/LightningTalks

Allan, or someone else who is planning on going to the Bangalore summit:
want to sign up for a lightning talk about GNOME 3 or marketing GNOME?

-Sumana


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GNOME.Asia lightning talk re GNOME 3 marketing

2011-03-07 Thread Sumana Harihareswara 

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/2011Summit/LightningTalks

Allan, or someone else who is planning on going to the Bangalore summit: 
want to sign up for a lightning talk about GNOME 3 or marketing GNOME?


-Sumana
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-07 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna 
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:38 PM, will kahn-greene  wrote:

> "Miro" is a desktop media player application.  You can download it at
> .  It has nothing to do with this conversation.
>
> "GNOME Miro Community" is a web-site that indexes GNOME videos
> regardless of where they are on the Internet.  It is at
> .  I often abbreviate it as GMC.  The
> site doesn't host video.  The site is not a channel.  GNOME Miro
> Community is not like YouTube or Vimeo.
>
> I'm concerned that I have to keep clarifying this.  It suggests to me
> that GNOME Miro Community is making this situation worse rather than
>


You're right, and we owe you a clear response on this.  So let's make it
clear.  I think we need to focus on youtube for a number of reasons.  We
don't really have a proper plan on how we could take advantage of
mirocommunity at the moment and I think we need to think about it some more.

GMC is a great resource and I can see it as something that I'd like to push
after the release.  Youtube has some advantages especially in terms of a
possible revenue stream, a potential large set of new users, and name
recognition.

So my vote is to drop Vimeo and GMC for now until we can come up with a plan
takes advantage of the those sites to their potential.  Otherwise we need to
concentrate one place.

sri
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-07 Thread will kahn-greene 
"Miro" is a desktop media player application.  You can download it at
.  It has nothing to do with this conversation.

"GNOME Miro Community" is a web-site that indexes GNOME videos
regardless of where they are on the Internet.  It is at
.  I often abbreviate it as GMC.  The
site doesn't host video.  The site is not a channel.  GNOME Miro
Community is not like YouTube or Vimeo.

I'm concerned that I have to keep clarifying this.  It suggests to me
that GNOME Miro Community is making this situation worse rather than
helping.  If that's the case, Allan is right and we should ditch it in
regards to the marketing strategy for GNOME3.  I don't know who needs to
decide this, but I'd like to know sooner rather than later so I don't
continue to put my time and energy into something that's not going to be
used especially now where I've got a ton of other things going on.  For
some reason half my life is due between March and April.


On 03/07/2011 01:10 PM, Allan Day wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 17:07 -0500, will kahn-greene wrote:
>> On 03/05/2011 04:22 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 14:27, will kahn-greene  wrote:
>>>
 This last bit is kind of important.  The last time I checked, you
 couldn't access the html5/webm version of YouTube without an account and
 without being logged in.

 If that's still the case, then I can't do the html5/webm versions on
 GNOME Miro Community.
>>>
>>>
>>> According to this you can force HTML5 with &html5=1 on the video URL in the
>>> IFRAME player:
>>> https://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=3999166edeabe3da&hl=en
>>>
>>> I tried it on Firefox 4 and it didn't work but it did work on Chrome. The
>>> video I tested was this one:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok100U4Fo3Y&html5=1
>>>
>>> Can you try it with some existing Miro video from YouTube and see if it
>>> works? Note that you must use the IFRAME player.
>>
>> To clarify, "Miro" is a desktop media application.  GNOME Miro Community
>> is a web-site that runs on the Miro Community service.  So "Miro video"
>> doesn't mean anything to me.
>>
>> I tested your YouTube video link GNOME Miro Community using the
>>  embed code from that page and it doesn't work--only uses the
>> Flash Player:
>>
>> http://gnome.mirocommunity.org/video/4157/guadec2010-neelie-kroes-on-ope
>>
>>
>> This isn't a problem with GMC.  I have the same problem on a basic web-page:
>>
>> http://bluesock.org/~willg/test/gmc.html
>>
>>
>> I went through the google.com support thread at the link above and
>> fiddled with the  code to no avail.  As near as I can tell,
>> right now you can't embed the html5/webm format.
>>
>> /will
> 
> It would appear that we have three GNOME video channels: YouTube, Vimeo
> and Miro. Would it be possible for us to decide and focus on one? This
> kind of fragmentation makes it difficult for us to have an integrated,
> high-quality communications strategy.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Allan
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-07 Thread Allan Day 
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 17:07 -0500, will kahn-greene wrote:
> On 03/05/2011 04:22 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 14:27, will kahn-greene  wrote:
> > 
> >> This last bit is kind of important.  The last time I checked, you
> >> couldn't access the html5/webm version of YouTube without an account and
> >> without being logged in.
> >>
> >> If that's still the case, then I can't do the html5/webm versions on
> >> GNOME Miro Community.
> > 
> > 
> > According to this you can force HTML5 with &html5=1 on the video URL in the
> > IFRAME player:
> > https://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=3999166edeabe3da&hl=en
> > 
> > I tried it on Firefox 4 and it didn't work but it did work on Chrome. The
> > video I tested was this one:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok100U4Fo3Y&html5=1
> > 
> > Can you try it with some existing Miro video from YouTube and see if it
> > works? Note that you must use the IFRAME player.
> 
> To clarify, "Miro" is a desktop media application.  GNOME Miro Community
> is a web-site that runs on the Miro Community service.  So "Miro video"
> doesn't mean anything to me.
> 
> I tested your YouTube video link GNOME Miro Community using the
>  embed code from that page and it doesn't work--only uses the
> Flash Player:
> 
> http://gnome.mirocommunity.org/video/4157/guadec2010-neelie-kroes-on-ope
> 
> 
> This isn't a problem with GMC.  I have the same problem on a basic web-page:
> 
> http://bluesock.org/~willg/test/gmc.html
> 
> 
> I went through the google.com support thread at the link above and
> fiddled with the  code to no avail.  As near as I can tell,
> right now you can't embed the html5/webm format.
> 
> /will

It would appear that we have three GNOME video channels: YouTube, Vimeo
and Miro. Would it be possible for us to decide and focus on one? This
kind of fragmentation makes it difficult for us to have an integrated,
high-quality communications strategy.

Best,

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Re: GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-07 Thread Jason D. Clinton 
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 04:25, Allan Day  wrote:
> Do you think it would be desirable for us to put out a set of more basic
> videos or screencasts in the interim? There is obviously a lot of
> interest in some of the GNOME 3 features that you cannot show using
> screenshots. Also - as you know - there have been a number of decidedly
> substandard screencasts appear on the web. We could slap a beta label on
> them if that would help.
>
> There are one or two people who might be willing to help with this, but
> I don't want it to conflict with what you are working on, and I want to
> ensure that what we are putting out is of sufficiently high quality.

Yes, just have them follow the screen casting guide that I published.
They need ffmpeg with x264 support to get the initial recording in a
low-CPU, low-disk I/O near-lossless format and then they can transcode
that to WebM when they're done. They also need to set their desktop to
1280x720 using xrandr's scale feature so that all the videos have the
same aspect ration and the UI elements on the screen are clearly
visible. All of this is in the HOWTO.

> On a separate subject, there are a couple of things I'd like to see
> covered in our videos, from a design and marketing pov:
>
>  * Accessing the activities overview: this is the most basic operation
> people need to learn to use the GNOME 3 desktop. The video would cover
> the three ways of entering and exiting the overview (activities button,
> hot corner, windows key [we need a better name for that!]).
>
>  * Arranging your windows: a subject on which there has been recent
> attention; also a place where users might benefit from seeing how it
> works. The video would cover drag to maximise/unmaximise, double click
> to maximise/unmaximise, and half-screen tiling.
>
>  * A walk around the overview: introduce the key parts of the activities
> overview (dash, windows view, applications view, workspaces switcher,
> messaging tray). Would give a quick introduction and demonstration of
> each one.
>
> Any thoughts? (Apologies - I know it's late in the day to be bring this
> up.) I can write scripts for these, if you'd like.

Yea, just update the Gnome3In30Seconds page with anything you want covered.
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Re: GNOME 3 videos

2011-03-07 Thread Allan Day 
Hey Jason!

Jason D. Clinton wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 17:33, Sumana Harihareswara 
> wrote:
> I'm looking at
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds and
> http://jasondclinton.livejournal.com/82744.html  -- I'm
> downloading some of the videos, but my connection is really
> slow right now so I can't judge whether any of them are ready
> to go up on gnome3.org.  (Also, Jason said they'd need to be
> refilmed about now anyway -- updated, I assume.)
> 
> There are still some outstanding theme changes and some UI changes
> that just landed so there's nothing ready to post. I had, at one time,
> hoped I'd have time to post videos in beta quality (similar to the
> video you downloaded) with an overlay on the video so that they
> wouldn't be re-posted on tech. blogs but I never had time to do that
> and they would have to be re-filmed now that the UI has changed,
> anyway.
> 
> I've reserved my free time from the 11th through the 20th for filming
> and post-production. How many will I finish during that time? I don't
> know. I've asked for help several times throughout the past year and a
> half and haven't gotten any offers except for some help with music, so
> as far as I know, it's just me working on them, even though I posted
> that complete HOWTO. Would love the help but I'm afraid the technical
> learning curve is too high for anyone not familiar with video and
> video editing and we're just too close to the deadline for me to
> invest any time in training someone else.

Thanks for the update.

Do you think it would be desirable for us to put out a set of more basic
videos or screencasts in the interim? There is obviously a lot of
interest in some of the GNOME 3 features that you cannot show using
screenshots. Also - as you know - there have been a number of decidedly
substandard screencasts appear on the web. We could slap a beta label on
them if that would help.

There are one or two people who might be willing to help with this, but
I don't want it to conflict with what you are working on, and I want to
ensure that what we are putting out is of sufficiently high quality.

On a separate subject, there are a couple of things I'd like to see
covered in our videos, from a design and marketing pov:

 * Accessing the activities overview: this is the most basic operation
people need to learn to use the GNOME 3 desktop. The video would cover
the three ways of entering and exiting the overview (activities button,
hot corner, windows key [we need a better name for that!]).

 * Arranging your windows: a subject on which there has been recent
attention; also a place where users might benefit from seeing how it
works. The video would cover drag to maximise/unmaximise, double click
to maximise/unmaximise, and half-screen tiling.

 * A walk around the overview: introduce the key parts of the activities
overview (dash, windows view, applications view, workspaces switcher,
messaging tray). Would give a quick introduction and demonstration of
each one.

Any thoughts? (Apologies - I know it's late in the day to be bring this
up.) I can write scripts for these, if you'd like.

Best wishes,

Allan
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