Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 11:37 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Let's not get into arguments over this. I think it is a little late to be talking about running GNOME 3/Shell over VNC and virtual appliances. I don't think anyone is talking about fixing it. We are talking about messaging. We have a release in less than 3 weeks. If someone is interested in this problem and interested in working on this messaging then please step up and volunteer. I believe it is a hole, but right now we have resources committed to the release. Fine. Here is my suggestion; GNOME 3 RELEASE NOTES GO HERE * PRETTY LIST OF FEATURES * I MAKE LIFE EASY * SHINY SCREENSHOTS FOOTNOTES START HERE Known Issues: * The GNOME 3 shell experience does not work over VNC or when the desktop is run in a virtualised environment. In this situation you will receive the GNOME 3 fallback experience* THE END * assuming that GNOME 3 fallback has been explained or defined earlier in the release notes. If it has not, then perhaps that needs to be fixed Now, please don't wilfully miss my point because I might have called things by the slightly incorrect name. I started this thread by giving an example of a whole group of people who have no idea what G3 vs GS vs Fallback was. If my attempt at an errata in the footnotes was not sufficient to illuminate things for these people then please help come up with something better. John -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hey John, John Stowers wrote: Fine. Here is my suggestion; GNOME 3 RELEASE NOTES GO HERE * PRETTY LIST OF FEATURES * I MAKE LIFE EASY * SHINY SCREENSHOTS FOOTNOTES START HERE Known Issues: * The GNOME 3 shell experience does not work over VNC or when the desktop is run in a virtualised environment. In this situation you will receive the GNOME 3 fallback experience* THE END * assuming that GNOME 3 fallback has been explained or defined earlier in the release notes. If it has not, then perhaps that needs to be fixed Thanks for the suggestion. :) I have to say, I'm extremely hesitant to have anything like 'known issues' or 'not recommend' in the release notes. This document will be quoted by the press and will seed many of the articles and news stories about the release. Those in the press could (and probably would) pick up these kind of statements and make stories out of them. That's not something we want. What we do have in the release notes is a statement which points out the hardware acceleration requirement for 'the full GNOME 3 experience', however. That mentions fallback mode. Fallback and hardware acceleration also feature in the gnome3.org FAQ, and we can add entries there for the virtual machine/VNC issues. What is the potential damage of not mentioning VNC or virtual machines in the release notes? I don't foresee a 'what no VNC?' uproar on the horizon (I'm not saying we should or shouldn't have VNC support - I'm just thinking about the marketing). Am I missing something? Best, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3.0 parties - photo gallery and Photo competition ?
Emily Chen wrote: 2011/3/18 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:31 +0800, Emily Chen wrote: 2011/3/12 Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Emily Chen emilychen...@gmail.com wrote: For Best Photo Competition, in my mind, it is easy to do if we choose one photo tools, like picasa or flickr. For example, let's say we will have a photo set called GNOME 3.0 Launch Party , everyone can view and vote on each photos. Is there better tools for Best Photo Competition? Anyone can suggest ? I have to agree regarding Flickr 'group' as a tool to do photo contest. We used it several time for Photographic background contest when I was working at Mdv. I also have a small C program to download all photo from a set, which can help to do selection locally. Thanks for offering. People will be interested to use your tool to download all photos locally. For the best photo, I am thinking the best way should be on-line. The most visited photo ? Do we officially create a set for Best photo, can we share the account to upload photos ? I've started a page with rules for the competition. Please check it over and let me know what you think. :) http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/PhotoCompetition Hi Allan, That's great. I edit the wiki to add a table, for people to update their photo links on wiki. They also need to send us by email as well. After we finalized the draft, can we announce it on www.gnome.org or www.gnome3.org sometime? Yes, of course! I'm happy to announce. Fancy writing a blog post about it?! (Tell me if you're not - I can announce anyway.) Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Next GNOME User Day (31 March) needs 2 more co-hosts
Sumana Harihareswara wrote: I'm planning another GNOME User Day -- http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/UserDays -- for Thursday, 31 March 2011. We'll answer user questions, especially about GNOME 3, via IRC. I need about six people to each help host a session for an hour -- we'll have about three sessions, each hosted by two people. I have a few people signed up, so I just need two or three more. Would you like to help host a session? If so, please mark all the times you're available on this Doodle poll. I'll only ask you to do one of them. http://www.doodle.com/a72fpheh7cb4gp6a This is shaping up nicely. We could do with one more person to cover the 15:00-16:00 (UTC) slot though. Any volunteers?! Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:16, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm saying is that I'm not. I would appreciate it if you would avoid ascribing me to certain positions that I am not taking. I shouldn't have reacted provocatively. I took your initial response to mean don't waste your time on this. Which, obviously, is telling me what I should spend time on. But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight. There is no issue because we planned for a Fallback Mode in 3.0 from the beginning and it is implemented (modulo some bugs that need to be squashed before release.) Surely you can accept that there is an image formed in the mind of people about GNOME 3, and we need to handle the expectations people have about the release? GNOME 3 is *not* GNOME Shell. I'm disheartened that you are this misinformed as a regular reader of this mailing list and a blogger on Planet GNOME. Frankly, I don't know what else we could have done to better inform you but if you have a suggestion as to how it is that you came to be so misguided and what we could have done to reach out to you earlier, that would certainly help this marketing process. Thank you for the lesson. As a misinformed, misguided contributor, I'm trying hard not to get too upset with your reaction. I hope you will react differentlyt post-release with misinformed misguided users press. In the minds of a lot of people (press and GNOME hackers, and by proxy, future users), GNOME 3 is very much the user experience defined by GNOME Shell. And, while I don't have any data to back this up, I'd bet that people are expecting GNOME 3 fall-back mode to be more or less equivalent to GNOME 2. So since (a) in some situations using GNOME 3 in normal mode (with GNOME Shell) is not appropriate, and (b) GNOME fall-back does not provide the same user experience as GNOME 2, we risk disappointing some people doubly, if we do not prepare ourselves to manage these expectations. That means, IMHO, figuring out some situations when it's inappropriate to run GNOME Shell, documenting how to manually switch to fall-back mode if, for example, your card is detected as being Shell capable, but runs slowly (I had this experience on one SiS chipset on a netbook), and also managing people's expectations about GNOME Fallback's feature set. I hope I've managed to clear up any confusion about my position, and my interests in holding that position. The sad thing is that we've spent longer arguing about this than it would have taken to document the few situations where using Shell is not appropriate, and making recommendations to users as to what we suggest they do in these situations. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Next GNOME User Day (31 March) needs 2 more co-hosts
2011/3/22 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Sumana Harihareswara wrote: I'm planning another GNOME User Day -- http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/UserDays -- for Thursday, 31 March 2011. We'll answer user questions, especially about GNOME 3, via IRC. I need about six people to each help host a session for an hour -- we'll have about three sessions, each hosted by two people. I have a few people signed up, so I just need two or three more. Would you like to help host a session? If so, please mark all the times you're available on this Doodle poll. I'll only ask you to do one of them. http://www.doodle.com/a72fpheh7cb4gp6a This is shaping up nicely. We could do with one more person to cover the 15:00-16:00 (UTC) slot though. Any volunteers?! I can do that time. Cheers Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
I looked at the home page. The sponsors get more screen area than GNOME. This seems like an event to promote them more than an event to promote GNOME. The top line uses the word monetize -- a word that carries the worst fashion of today's usual mercenary attitude -- but says nothing about freedom. It does say free software, but in that context people are likely to suppose that free means gratis, and there is nothing on the home page to tell them otherwise. There needs to be something on the home page that clearly refers to freedom and shows that free means freedom. The way that I can think of is to have a graphic with various words for free: ziyou, jiyuu-na, tu do, swatantra, mukt, etc., as well as free itself. (This method is somewhat trite, so it would be nice to think of something more creative.) I looked at Who Should Attend page. It mentions 5 goals, and all those goals are good, but the most important goal -- freedom on your computer -- is missing. The page says FLOSS a few times, and free and open source once. To fully promote free software, it should always say free/libre or free/swatantra. Mentioning open source is a distraction here, so that term shouldn't be present. I looked at the speakers page. I was glad to see that you're giving a talk about software freedom. However, for each person who attends your talk, a thousand will view the home page. We need to get the message of freedom into the home page so that thousands will see it. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Skype: Don't use Skype, it's proprietary software! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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