Re: marketing meetup at DS
On 2011-08-08 Karen wrote: On Sun, August 7, 2011 4:31 pm, Jason D. Clinton wrote: As far as I can tell from following Twitter, Stormy is the only person from the marketing team who is at the summit. Probably a good idea to reach out to her to see if she can make it. Actually, the timing's not great, as Stormy and I both have the advisory board meeting on Wednesday. Is there another time that could work? Would Thursday be too late? I'd be fine moving both sessions (the GNOME and the cross-desktop one) to the Thursday. I hope to see Dave there, as well as stormy, Karen and whoever else is interested. I have moved the session but await info from the KDE peeps if it works for them too ;-) karen On Aug 7, 2011 11:20 AM, Jos Poortvliet j...@opensuse.org wrote: Hi all, Together with Karen I'll host a marketing team meetup to discuss a couple of things. Please attend if you can!!! Of course we'll share the results and input on what to discuss is welcome here too. http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Workshops_%26_BoFs/2011/gnome- marketing_meetup I'd also like you to stay for the cross-desktop marketing meetup we'll do after the GNOME one. http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Workshops_%26_BoFs/2011/cross-market ing- meetup Yes, I've reserved 2 hour for both but esp the second one will surely be cut short considering I'm going to cook - see here: http://wiki.desktopsummit.org/Food_time Sign up for that too ;-) Cheers, Jos -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
2011/8/8 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I'm not saying other Gnome people, but rather other Gnome users are not chiming in and supporting it. That might tell you something right there. GNOME 3.0 might be awesomesauce for new users, but it doesn't seem to be striking a chord with existing GNOME users. So, what seems to be happening here is trading an established user base for a potential user base - with very little muscle to reach the potential user base. Well, first of all, I suggest to ignore such notions or posts. Sorry, but just because Linus doesn't like it (he has bashed GNOME 2 before, twice), it doesn't mean that GNOME 3 is invalid. Everyone can have his personal opinion. Famous people pitches are nice touch, but usually works for applications, not for entire environments. Mine casual experience says that most of regular Ubuntu users (2 - 3 years) *I know* for example dig GNOME 3 and say it's better than Unity and only few with very specific custom needs shun it. Of course, it might differ from person to person, but overall feeling is that regular GNOME users who doesn't customize a lot their environments have no problems with GS and GNOME 3. Just my two cents, Peteris. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
2011/8/8 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Anywho, this isn't a helpful comment. This list is for marketing GNOME. So, marketing GNOME means hearing no dissenting voices. Got it. Thanks for being very clear on that point. If dissenting voices has nothing to offer than it is all wrong, I will go with product x, then it is not even worth to bother, because all it does it creates flame wars like this. There is constructive criticism (bug reports, written use cases which doesn't work), and then there is just empty posturing, just because you disagree with overall direction of platform. I disagree with Apple direction for example, but that's why I don't care to write how bad they are - I just ignore them. Life is too short for such shit. Peter. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
Hi all. On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Sriram Ramkrishnas...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I'm not saying other Gnome people, but rather other Gnome users are not chiming in and supporting it. That might tell you something right there. GNOME 3.0 might be awesomesauce for new users, but it doesn't seem to be striking a chord with existing GNOME users. So, what seems to be happening here is trading an established user base for a potential user base - with very little muscle to reach the potential user base. I agree with you Joe, and find your post helpful. It is a fact that a large number of ppl are missing the old user experience from GNOME 2. That should not just be noticed, but seen as a chance. One way to go could be to further improve the now called Fallback mode (which is planned for 3.2 and +). Another option could be to rename Fallback to Classic. This would also not imply that it may be removed somewhen a fallback is no longer necessary. So why not just address both userbases? We are not far away from that. Greets Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:58 AM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: If dissenting voices has nothing to offer than it is all wrong, I will go with product x, then it is not even worth to bother, because all it does it creates flame wars like this. There is constructive criticism (bug reports, written use cases which doesn't work), and then there is just empty posturing, just because you disagree with overall direction of platform. I didn't say it is all wrong or anything of the sort. I simply said that it might be instructive to note that few GNOME users are coming out to support GNOME 3 in the wake of Linus, Ted, and others criticizing it. I'm 100% certain that wouldn't have been the case three years ago. I talk to a lot of people, and I've found very few who genuinely like GNOME 3.0 - and I'm talking about people who've loved or at least liked GNOME 2.x. BTW, Linus and others, while ranting, have also pointed to specific things they do not like about GNOME 3. -- Our brains just have one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit. ~ Randall Munroe (xkcd) Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 11:11 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:58 AM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: If dissenting voices has nothing to offer than it is all wrong, I will go with product x, then it is not even worth to bother, because all it does it creates flame wars like this. There is constructive criticism (bug reports, written use cases which doesn't work), and then there is just empty posturing, just because you disagree with overall direction of platform. I didn't say it is all wrong or anything of the sort. I simply said that it might be instructive to note that few GNOME users are coming out to support GNOME 3 in the wake of Linus, Ted, and others criticizing it. I'm 100% certain that wouldn't have been the case three years ago. I talk to a lot of people, and I've found very few who genuinely like GNOME 3.0 - and I'm talking about people who've loved or at least liked GNOME 2.x. BTW, Linus and others, while ranting, have also pointed to specific things they do not like about GNOME 3. -- Our brains just have one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit. ~ Randall Munroe (xkcd) Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ I don't think its a good idea to invalidate those who don't have positive things to say about GNOME3. Joe makes an excellent point that the lack of noise in the other direction is telling. I'm one of those people who aren't quite happy with GNOME3. One of the claims made about GNOME 3 was that it would enable us to be more task-oriented and less distracted from other stuff. And yet, I find myself unable to focus on my tasks when using GNOME 3. (And I gave G3 my best shot.) My initial reaction to G3 was Oooh this is nice and slick. And I did what everyone said Just stick with it and you'll get used to it in time. Well, time has passed and I'm less impressed than my first iimpression. The reason why I haven't been vocal is simply because I wasn't directly involved in the development process. Actually, I had discussions with some of the leading people on the project more than a year ago and was told about certain features being dropped becaue that's the way develoeprs thought it should be, even though I disagreed with it. The response felt quite alienating. Now, marketing team != developer teams so there's no use discussing how to actually fix things that users seem unhappy about on this list. But, we are in the position of hearing and listening and conveying issues to relevant teams. And this thread is already pointing out that we don't seem to want to hear dissenting opinions, only those that rave and glorify. That's not exactly productive in my opinion. What we *should* be discussing is ways to listen more and address concerns. Does more or better documentation need to exist? Is there something that actually has a solution conveyed to our users? Do we need to create more how-to videos like the one Jason did? Also, a part of me assumes that many of the specific complaints out there have been largely heard and are being addressed for 3.2. Is that the case? If it is, are we telling people this and giving them the hope that things will be better and thus will stick with using G3? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing update at AGM
Hi GNOME Marketing folks, We have been asked to give a 5 minute update at the AGM tomorrow afternoon. If there is someone on the list that is here at the Desktop Summit that would like to do it, please speak up, otherwise I am happy to do it. I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was so cool. * GNOME 3 * Launch parties * press * all the work Allan and Sumanah did ... Thoughts? I will be working on this later tonight ... Thanks! Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
Bryen M Yunashko a11yro...@bryen.com wrote: And this thread is already pointing out that we don't seem to want to hear dissenting opinions, only those that rave and glorify. That's not exactly productive in my opinion. Thanks for twisting my words. I write that Joe wasn't being helpful and now I'm stifling dissent?! I have no problem with criticism. All I ask is that it's done in a constructive manner. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with criticism. All I ask is that it's done in a constructive manner. And how was I not constructive? -- Our brains just have one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit. ~ Randall Munroe (xkcd) Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing update at AGM
Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi GNOME Marketing folks, We have been asked to give a 5 minute update at the AGM tomorrow afternoon. If there is someone on the list that is here at the Desktop Summit that would like to do it, please speak up, otherwise I am happy to do it. Looks like that might be best. Thanks Stormy. :) I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was so cool. * GNOME 3 * Launch parties * press * all the work Allan and Sumanah did ... Thoughts? I will be working on this later tonight ... The Q2 report I wrote might come in handy: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q2#Marketing As might the debrief that me and Sumanah wrote: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/ThreePointZero/LessonsLearned Best, Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Aug 8, 2011 11:44 AM, Joe apos;Zonkerapos; Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem with criticism. All I ask is that it's done in a constructive manner. And how was I not constructive? Stop this. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: And how was I not constructive? Stop this. No, really - how was what I wrote non-constructive? I didn't flame anybody - I wasn't rude, I expressed my view of the situation currently. -- Our brains just have one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit. ~ Randall Munroe (xkcd) Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
Joe apos;Zonkerapos; Brockmeier j...@zonker.net wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: And how was I not constructive? Stop this. No, really - how was what I wrote non-constructive? I didn't flame anybody - I wasn't rude, I expressed my view of the situation currently. It seemed to me that you were criticising without any desire to help. If I misinterpreted, then I apologise. I'd appreciate it if we could drop this. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing update at AGM
Thanks so much! Will try to do you and the others justice for all the great work you've done. Stormy On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi GNOME Marketing folks, We have been asked to give a 5 minute update at the AGM tomorrow afternoon. If there is someone on the list that is here at the Desktop Summit that would like to do it, please speak up, otherwise I am happy to do it. Looks like that might be best. Thanks Stormy. :) I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was so cool. * GNOME 3 * Launch parties * press * all the work Allan and Sumanah did ... Thoughts? I will be working on this later tonight ... The Q2 report I wrote might come in handy: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q2#Marketing As might the debrief that me and Sumanah wrote: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/ThreePointZero/LessonsLearned Best, Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing update at AGM
Here's what I have so far ... https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=GNOMEMarketing2011.pdf https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=GNOMEMarketing2011.odp Note that the release parties, www.gnome.org and maybe the photo competition will also be covered under other presentations, but I think we should mention them. We only have 5 minutes so I won't be going into detail on any one slide but I will probably show the video. Thanks! Stormy On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Thanks so much! Will try to do you and the others justice for all the great work you've done. Stormy On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Hi GNOME Marketing folks, We have been asked to give a 5 minute update at the AGM tomorrow afternoon. If there is someone on the list that is here at the Desktop Summit that would like to do it, please speak up, otherwise I am happy to do it. Looks like that might be best. Thanks Stormy. :) I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was so cool. * GNOME 3 * Launch parties * press * all the work Allan and Sumanah did ... Thoughts? I will be working on this later tonight ... The Q2 report I wrote might come in handy: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q2#Marketing As might the debrief that me and Sumanah wrote: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/ThreePointZero/LessonsLearned Best, Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing update at AGM
On 08/09/2011 12:32 AM, Stormy Peters wrote: I could use all your help in calling out what was important and why it was so cool. * GNOME 3 * Launch parties * press * all the work Allan and Sumanah did ... Thoughts? I will be working on this later tonight ... Maybe as well: - Most successful GNOME.Asia - 1st GNOME hackfest in Asia with Release and Marketing team - Release team actually loved it and want to come back next year: it helped them to sit together and do things they wouldn't otherwise knowing that the team was there to take care of the urgent things. - Plenty of new GNOME User Groups this year in India but elsewhere as well. I think a new dynamic has been created and people have been pretty excited by GNOME 3. Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
