Re: Changing marketing areas to engagement
Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: >> I've started to migrate the wiki pages over to Engagement [1]. I've >> also taken the opportunity to do some clean up at the same time. Let >> me know if there's been any breakage as a result. > > Please redirect at least the most important GnomeMarketing pages to > Engagement. For example, to redirect https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/ > to https://wiki.gnome.org/Engagement/, use #REDIRECT Engagement Ah yes, I'd meant to do that. Seems that someone has taken care of it now - thanks if that was you, Kat. > Also, does anyone object if I rename "Channels" to "Services" for the social > media? I agree that "Channels" isn't a good name, but I'm not sure about "Services" (it seems rather generic, also that page lists more than social media accounts). Maybe "NewsChannels" or something? >> Also, I wonder if we should move the Events page [2] under Engagement? > > I would prefer to see it left as it is for the same reasons that GUADEC and > GNOME.Asia have their own pages. We also don't really want to end up with > all wiki pages having really long URLs because that's a bit annoying. GUADEC and GNOME.Asia are run by distinct groups of people, and they have their own communication channels. One reason to move Events under Engagement would be to make it clear who to get in touch with and where discussion takes place. It also helps to keep the wiki in better order. In general I would prefer to try and group our pages under teams rather than spreading them out with no obvious structure. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Changing marketing areas to engagement
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > We made a big decision today to change marketing to engagement. So, we will > be moving immediately to the #engagement channel. > > but we will also need to start moving all the marketing pages to engagement > as well. We will need to figure out how to do that. It might be that we > can do it as part of the live.gnome.org work that Tiffany is doing. I've started to migrate the wiki pages over to Engagement [1]. I've also taken the opportunity to do some clean up at the same time. Let me know if there's been any breakage as a result. Also, I wonder if we should move the Events page [2] under Engagement? Allan [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Engagement/ [2] https://wiki.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GUADEC Marketing Activities
Hi everyone, As many of you know, we are trying to do a better job at promoting this year's GUADEC. I've been putting things together to enable us to generate news posts for gnome.org and social media. The GUADEC marketing page includes a rough schedule for news posts, as well as links to scratch pads where we can write notes during the conference. If anyone is wanting to help with this, please add notes and send me any photos you might have (also, please ask if you want a gnome.org account). https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC/2013/Marketing I have also created some empty draft posts on gnome.org. This is to let us write as much copy ahead of time as possible. I fully expect this not to go quite as planned, so let's stay in touch and adjust the schedule as events unfold. See you in Brno! Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: propose new time for marketing meeting
"Sriram Ramkrishna" wrote: >> I'm flexible.. we can go for 18:00 UTC. That would make it about 11am my >> time. Earlier in the day is definitely better for me. I don't have any commitments on Wednesday evenings. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Pixel photos
Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: ... >> >> The idea is that these machines will rotate around. >> > >> > Might be a good idea to have a wiki page like for the events box then, >> > or >> > I suspect it might get forgotten about… (lets face it, people are lazy) >> >> Well, Matthias is in charge of the rotation and there's already a waiting >> list :) A wiki page is definitely a good idea I'll try to get that >> started. > > > That would be great. I think it will look really good if it's done in a more > public way so that the community (and the donors) can see where the work is > going into and how. It was actually not clear to me that they were supposed > to be rotated between people before Andreas said so here! I agree. It would also be good to know who has them, so we can make sure that we have them at GNOME conference booths. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: REMINDER: Marketing meeting July 9th 2013 20:00 UTC
Thanks for the the reminder, Sri. A few more agenda items: * GUADEC messaging schedule - https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC/2013/MessagingSchedule * File storage - we need to figure out a plan for where to keep marketing materials Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Promo Video Animation Mockup
Hi Bastian, Thanks so much for this. I'm sorry I've been so slow to respond. I've got a few ideas about video content in general - I hope they're useful. First, one of the outcomes of the marketing hackfest is that we're pushing for all our marketing materials to be consistent with our brand guidelines. This includes both the content of the messaging as well as the visual style. I'm still working on this, but there are resources you can refer to [1, 2]. Second, there are a few places where we have discussed the need for video assets in the past. The first is for the GNOME 3 page [3], to show off some features. For example, it would be great to have "Watch the video - connecting GNOME 3 to your online accounts". We used to have something like this that Jason Clinton did for the 3.0 release, but those videos are now too out of date to use. The other thing that we've talked about is doing a series of short interviews with GNOME contributors and turning them into a short film. I think that we often struggle because the GNOME project remains faceless, and am always inspired when I hear about why our contributors do what they do. Putting those faces and stories on the screen would be really cool. This is something we might film at GUADEC, and it would be great to have help with editing and processing. Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/DraftBrandGuidelines [2] https://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/blob/master/brand/brand-visuals.png [3] https://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: markeiting meeting today
Sorry I didn't get back about this - I was busy. :) Allan On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Brett Legree wrote: > I am at a fairly remote location this week, so it could be even spottier > than usual for me - no worries about postponing! > > Brety > > On Jul 2, 2013 1:47 PM, "Sriram Ramkrishna" wrote: >> >> I have not heard much feedback. I know a couple of people cannot make it. >> Would it work best if I moved it next week to say Wednesday? It's also >> holidays in the U.S. Let me know. >> >> -- >> marketing-list mailing list >> marketing-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >> > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Activities at GUADEC
I've asked around and it seems that we have enough volunteers to edit our posts during the conference. The next thing is to try and get enough people to actually write the copy. Please put your name down if you want to help with any of this: https://wiki.gnome.org/GUADEC/2013/Marketing Also, do we have any ideas for how to recruit other attendees to help with this? Allan On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: > I'm happy to write stuff for the conference as needed, and certainly > happy to be an overall editor/reviewer as well :) And I agree an early > heads up, starting about now of interviews with upcoming keynoters > would be a good idea. Didn't we do interviews of the team last year? I > think those went over well :) > > Emily > > On 6/27/13, Fabiana Simões wrote: >> I'm happy to help write/review texts during the conference. >> >> I think one thing that is cool is to promote a certain hashtag people >> can use when tweeting about the event (or just wanting to check what >> others are saying). It's cool if the hashtag is indicated in the badge >> or in any posters and stuff. >> >>> In order to draw interest and attendance around GUADEC, it would also >>> be good to do some announcements about who the keynote speakers are on >>> guadec.org and gnome.org. >>> For the actual attendance part I think we would need the registering >>> system up and working first though. >> Not only the keynotes, but also the actual schedule of the conference. >> This is the kind of thing that may attract attendees that are not core >> contributors. Would be nice to interview some of the speakers and make >> some buzz around the talks too, as we had last GUADEC. >> >> Best, >> Fabiana >> >> On 06/27/2013 11:56 AM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: >>> On 06/26/2013 12:51 PM, Allan Day wrote: >>>> >>>> Thinking about this, we probably need the following: >>>> >>>> * Keynote blog posts - x4 >>>> * Day summary blog posts - x4 >>>> * Live microbloggers - x8 (assuming one for each morning and >>>> afternoon) >>> In order to draw interest and attendance around GUADEC, it would also >>> be good to do some announcements about who the keynote speakers are on >>> guadec.org and gnome.org. >>> For the actual attendance part I think we would need the registering >>> system up and working first though. >>> >>> Maybe presenting one keynote speaker each week. I'm happy to write the >>> texts, provided someone can help me look for typos before I publish it. >>> - Andreas >> >> -- >> marketing-list mailing list >> marketing-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >> > > > -- > Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, > power and magic in it. - Goethe > > Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss > > Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that > counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Activities at GUADEC
Hi all, For most projects and companies, the annual conference is an opportunity to generate lots of media and tell the world about the cool things they are doing. We've never really managed to do this with GUADEC, and that has always seemed like a missed opportunity. Ideally we would be doing live microblogging from the event, and have regular posts describing the keynotes and summarising the highlights from each day. Really these things should include a mixture of text, photos and even video. The challenge is that, with all of us busy during the conference, who is going to do all this marketing work? We discussed this during yesterday's marketing meeting, and the idea was floated of getting those people who have been sponsored by the GNOME Foundation to each do a shift as marketing volunteers. I think that is a fine idea, although there will be more sponsored people than slots, and not everyone has the best written English. Thinking about this, we probably need the following: * Keynote blog posts - x4 * Day summary blog posts - x4 * Live microbloggers - x8 (assuming one for each morning and afternoon) The hard part is also ensuring quality control - we need someone trusted who can review each post and edit as appropriate. One way we could do this is have duty editors also - for each day we would have someone who is "on call" to review and post. These editors wouldn't need to be at the conference, of course (and it might be easier if they're not). This will all require that we can be sure that there will be Internet access, of course. If this sounds like a reasonable plan, I can put a schedule on the wiki and we can try and recruit people to fill the slots. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Marketing
Hi all, We discussed this during yesterday's phone meeting. A few points that stood out for me: * There were some concerns that "advocacy" sounds too political and forceful * While there was some support for "promotion", it was also recognised that this implies one-way communication, and that this might not be the best fit for what we do (or what we aspire to) * "Outreach" has a life of its own beyond the existing marketing team We clearly promote, engage, advocate and reach out, and each of these terms describes *some* of what we do. As such, I think we need to be focusing on which aspect of our work we want to emphasise. Based on yesterday's conversation, I'm thinking that engagement is probably the best fit, since it emphasises meaningful two-way conversation (something which is close to our mission and our brand identity). Allan On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Oliver Propst wrote: > Hi, I'm not sure there is a need of change the term but if so I think > "promotion" is the best fit. > > > On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Flavia Weisghizzi > wrote: >> >> Goodmorning! >> >> >>> My reservation about "engagement" is that it makes it sound like we >>> only work with people who we already have a relationship with. >> >> >> Agree :) >> >> >>> So I think my preference is for "promotion": >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I really prefer "advocacy" but "promotions" sounds quite good too :) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Flavia >> >> -- >> marketing-list mailing list >> marketing-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > > -- > -mvh Oliver Propst > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Marketing
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: ... > I was going to respond that engagement is the best fit. It's also generic > enough that we can apply to everything or anything we do. My vote is for > 'engagement'. My reservation about "engagement" is that it makes it sound like we only work with people who we already have a relationship with. It also implies that our work only concerns deep and long-lasting relationships. So I think my preference is for "promotion": Noun Activity that supports the furtherance of a cause, venture, or aim. The publicization of a product, organization, or venture to increase sales or public awareness. This is a pretty good description of what we do. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Marketing
Hi all, "Marketing" is associated with corporations, and is done by marketing professionals. I've often felt that the term isn't a good fit for what we do in GNOME, and I suspect that it puts some people off contributing. We discussed this during the recent hackfest, and it seems that there's support for changing "GNOME Marketing" to a different term. Ideas that we discussed include "promotion", "outreach", "engagement" and "advocacy". What do people think of this? Do you have a preference for the name? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Go-ahead for a community survey
Hi Michael,
I've had a look at the questionnaire, and have spotted a few issues
with it. I'd be happy to provide you with some more substantive
feedback. (I have a background in social research.)
There are a couple of bigger issues with self-selection survey that we
need to consider though. The main one is sample bias - since people
will be volunteering to fill in the survey, we will have no idea how
representative it is of GNOME users. Worse still, it could possibly
suffer from efforts to recruit people based on their preexisting
opinions ("fill in the survey to tell the GNOME project how much we
hate GNOME 3" / "fill in the survey to tell the GNOME developers how
much you love GNOME 3").
My concern about this is that any results that are generated will be
highly suggestive. If you publish something saying that 99% of
respondents love/hate GNOME 3, it will appear that 99% of all users
love/hate GNOME 3, and that is how the result will be interpreted.
Yet, we will have no idea how that result actually relates to the
GNOME 3 user population as a whole. That wouldn't be very good
publicity, and it wouldn't help us get a better idea about the
attitudes and opinions of everyone who uses GNOME.
This problem is compounded by the fact that many people don't even
know that they are running GNOME; a lot of people only identify their
distribution as the thing that they use.
Allan
On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Michael Heyns
wrote:
> At first I wasn't sure if I should span all of 3.x because many of the
> issues of previous releases have been pinpointed by now.
>
> But in hindsight and looking at which versions are default for most distros,
> it makes much more sense.
>
> I will make the appropriate changes.
> Thank you, everybody.
>
> --
> Michael Heyns
> gplus.to/beanaroo
>
> On 24/05/2013 6:05 AM, "Brett Legree" wrote:
>>
>> I think that it looks great, and I agree with Fabiana and Karen that it
>> would be good to expand it beyond just GNOME 3.8 (to perhaps see just what
>> versions people are using).
>>
>> Brett
>>
>> On May 23, 2013 1:49 PM, "Fabiana Simões"
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That looks great! This kind of information is much needed, thank you.
>>>
Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey
to
3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely
right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed
it
for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some
time
for that :)
>>>
>>>
>>> One idea is to focus the survey on the 3.x family, instead of in a single
>>> release. With this, we would also be able to explore the perceived
>>> improvement of GNOME 3 for those users that have been using it since 3.0 (or
>>> later). For example, we could ask 1) what release they are currently using
>>> and how do they rate it; and 2) how do they rate the improvement between
>>> this release and the first one they used (would be interesting to know which
>>> release was that).
>>>
>>> - Fabiana
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 May 2013 12:29, Karen Sandler wrote:
On Thu, May 23, 2013 10:13 am, Emily Gonyer wrote:
> Fantastic Michael! Thanks - I can't wait to see the results!
Me too! I do have one question - did you intentionally limit the survey
to
3.8? Or did you want to make the survey about 3.x? I think it's unlikely
right now that anyone running 3.8 has it because someone else installed
it
for them or because it's the default on their distro. It'll take some
time
for that :)
karen
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Michael Heyns
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Gnome Team,
>>
>> I trust this is an appropriate method of communication. I have been a
>> Gnome user since 2004 and I haven't contributed much besides the odd
>> bug
>> report but I am very enthusiastic about the platform and have really
>> enjoyed Gnome 3.x so far.
>>
>> In an effort to understand more about my fellow users, I designed a
>> questionnaire with no hidden agenda besides pure curiosity and the
>> hope
>> that information could be of some use to somebody.
>>
>> I didn't want to start promoting it all over the internet before
>> consulting with you as I don't want to step on any toes. Please have
>> a
>> look
>> at it and tell me what you think. Maybe I can improve on it.
>>
>> Unofficial Gnome 3.8 User Survey - 2013: http://goo.gl/pC48p
>>
>> I work with information systems and have a fair understanding of
>> statistics so I plan on compiling summaries and reports once the
>> feedback
>> is strong enough.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing from you and as always I am very grateful
>> for
>> everything you do for me and my computers :) (too cheesy?)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> --
>> *Mi
News Story Ideas
Hi all, During the last marketing meeting I said that I'd mail the list with some ideas for news stories to be written over the summer. This is it. :) * GTK Hackfest - we just had it; it would be great to have a summary for gnome.org * A 3.8 retrospective - once 3.8 hits the distros it would be great to have another round of marketing around the new release. This could be a re-hash of the existing marketing materials, and it could include comments or interviews with people who are using 3.8 (ideally saying what they like about it). * A "looking forward to 3.10" piece - the feature proposals are in and give an idea about what we'll be releasing in October. It might be nice to have a post about that. In addition to these, we have lots of events coming up that we should be covering... * Google Summer of Code and Outreach Program for Women summer internships (June to September) - we should have posts at the beginning and end of the internship period. We could also have other feature pieces over the summer. * Marketing Hackfest (probably beginning of June) * OpenHelp Documentation Hackfest (mid-June) * Board of Directors elections (not sure when that will be) * GUADEC (beginning of August) - we should have a whole series of posts leading up to and during this. Interviews with keynote speakers and conference organisers would be good here. I'm sure there's plenty of other things that we could have as news stories. Anyone got any other ideas? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Reminder: Marketing meeting Tuesday 23, 2013\\
SIP hasn't been a good experience for me. I had major difficulties connecting in the beginning, causing me to miss meetings. During the last two meetings I have attended, the sound quality has been so poor that we have had to abandon voice and revert to IRC. Ease of access is really important for our marketing meetings, and the current solution doesn't seem to be working. Maybe we should stick with IRC until something better comes along? (As I've said in the past, I'd be happy to use a proprietary service like Google Hangouts; I know that some people don't want to use this though.) Allan On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Tobias Mueller wrote: > Hola! > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:09:45AM -0300, Fabiana Simões wrote: >> If we are able to use something like this and still have SIP (or whatever >> online dialing alternative), that's great. > I agree. Calls to the US are pretty much for free. I think there is a > gratis Google service. > > Cheers, > Tobi > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
Fabiana Simões wrote: > So, since Allan does not have to be back to the UK on the 26th, perhaps June > 25-26 would work? Hmm, my calendar is starting to get complicated again. Would it be a problem if we pushed it back a few days, do you think? (Just figuring out my options.) Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
Thanks for following up, Karen. Karen Sandler wrote: ... > I'd love to get this scheduled! It's looking like scheduling around > theJune 24-25 makes sense from looking at people's preferences. Allan do > you know if you're unavailable from the 26th? ... My plans for those dates fell through, so I'm free in June. (I've updated the wiki page.) > These are the people we identified before as good people to help contribute: > > * Allan > * Andreas > * Emmanuele > * Karen > * Garrett > * Jon McCann > * Lucas Rocha > * Vincent > * Stormy > * Sri > > * Jim Nelson (Yorba) > * Guy Lunardi (Collabora) > * John Sullivan (FSF) > * Alex (Skud) Bayley > * Nick Richards (formerly Intel) > * Karl Fogel > * Havoc Pennington > > If we get the date settled, I can invite them, or we can even set up a > call to discuss it, with some people in person. Anyone else to add? I'm fairly certain that we'll never get some of these people to a hackfest. Reaching out to some of them is a great idea though, and we should talk about other people we might want to invite. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
Karen Sandler wrote: > As per Tobi's email, we should consider again whether to organize a > marketing hackfest! Shaun has suggested co-locating with the docs > sprint > in Cincinatti June 17-19. >> ... > What do people think? Would it be workable this time and if so would > having it in June make sense? >> >> I'm definitely interested in attending a marketing hackfest. That >> said, I am busy and my primary responsibility is design, so I'd want >> to be confident that the event would be an effective use of time. Do >> you (or anybody else) have any ideas for what we would work on? > > I think there are a lot of things we could work on, but one big thing we > want to do is to better articulate why GNOME and free software generally > is so important. Also, our marketing materials site is old and seriously > out of date so on the more mundane side, combing through those materials, > reorganizing them and figuring out if there's anything new that we need > would probably be very useful. With the resources that we have for marketing, there's a danger that planning discussions would remain just that - discussions. We've been down this road before; we all want to do more, but there are limits, and I think we should be realistic. So I have a strong preference for doing work at the hackfest rather than planning. As for things that we could work on, there are a number of priority areas for me: * Marketing materials - we could use the opportunity to move our existing content over to OwnCloud and fill in any blanks * Updating the brand guidelines and move them to a restricted location (this would include elaborating them to cover things like visual style, colour schemes, etc) * Writing a GNOME mission statement For some of these items, particularly the last one, we will need more expertise than the marketing team has. If we are going to tackle these tasks - and I think that a hackfest would be a good opportunity to do so - we should think about getting other people to the event, either from the GNOME community and/or specialists who can help us to articulate our message. (And if we do want to get other members of the community involved, New York might be a better location.) Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing hackfest?
Hi Karen, Karen Sandler wrote: >>> As per Tobi's email, we should consider again whether to organize a >>> marketing hackfest! Shaun has suggested co-locating with the docs sprint >>> in Cincinatti June 17-19. ... >>> What do people think? Would it be workable this time and if so would >>> having it in June make sense? I'm definitely interested in attending a marketing hackfest. That said, I am busy and my primary responsibility is design, so I'd want to be confident that the event would be an effective use of time. Do you (or anybody else) have any ideas for what we would work on? Best, Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3.6 feedback
Hi Steven, I'm sorry you've had some difficulties with GNOME 3.6. Please be aware that the marketing list is not an appropriate place for general feedback. If you want to do this, you can use mailing lists for the affected modules or file bugs. I've provided a few notes below, but I don't intended to engage in an extended discussion about these issues on this list - we can continue elsewhere if you would like. Steven Osborne wrote: > 1. The ACTIVITIES panel is changed, again; just when I was getting used > to the 3.4-ish style ACTIVITIES, with all icons readily available to its > right, I open up GNOME to find it missing; it took me a few minutes to > get where it was located, and that was a frustrating few minutes. It's not clear what you are referring to here. If it's the change in the method to open the applications view, you might be interested to know that this was guided by user observations we made: the previous UI was not working well for many people. > 2. Nautilus is missing the menu bar; this took me quite a bit longer to > figure out, but I was finally able to find in the Ubuntu forums that you > have to right-click on the GNOME title bar on the FILES icon to get > preferences; I went through: > > 2.1 - gconf-editor > 2.2 - dconf-editor > 2.3 - gnome-tweak-tools > > and it was frustratingly unintuitive to right click on the title bar > when every other program I use does NOT require that. Yes, we recognise that that's an issue and are working to resolve it. > 3. The blocky-looking notification bar area looks horrible; I'm afraid > to look for the configuration for that area, as finding any > configuration tools has been unintuitive and difficult. "looks horrible" isn't a very constructive comment. Please say what looks bad (in a bug report), and try to avoid emotive language. We have some outstanding work to do here, see: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682242 > 4. It is difficult to navigate with a mouse; granted the "GNOME" key > (i.e., called the Windows key for Microsoft) and typing is wonderful; > but, when I have to use a mouse, it is unwieldy and difficult; I do not > have a touch screen tablet or desktop system and, unless something major > changes in my life, I will not have one for the next 10 years or so; I > don't need or want my desktop to mirror the simplistic touch screens > found in iPhones, tablets, etc. Again, please say exactly which issues you are having with mouse input, using bug reports. I suspect that some of these issues are already filed. > 5. I just realized that I MUST slide the lock screen to unlock it using > a password; this is beyond ridiculous; I have a laptop/desktop and not a > touch screen, please let me just type my password in to unlock my > workstation. That has been fixed for 3.8: see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686740 > 6. The notifications pop-up in the bottom-middle of my screen and just > stay there until I have to stop what I am doing to click on it to go > away; I do not want notifications, about anything, really; please > provide a way to stop all notifications; heck, I can still access > regedit in Windows 8 to turn off their balloons. You can turn off notifications from the user menu in the top-right corner of the screen. They can also be disabled through the new notifications settings panel in 3.8. > I am disabled, having had an aneurysm rupture last year and being > frustrated aggravates my condition; unfortunately, GNOME 3.6 has done > nothing but provide me pain, literally; I get massive headaches when I > get frustrated to a certain level and my desktop experience with GNOME > has been the most frustrating computer experience in my 25+ years of > using computers. It has been stated that the developers are no longer > listening to their users; I can only hope this is not the case, because > I will find a solution that works and whose developers are better > connected to their user base. Again, if you provide specific examples of what is causing you issues, we will try to fix them. > Overall, GNOME seems to be heading down the path to dumb down the user > experience. I have tried to like the GNOME 3.x system, but cannot get > past the unintuitive changes. Sadly, everyone I know that uses Linux, > and I used to run the Linux Users Group, has dropped GNOME, but me, and > 3.6 is causing me to doubt continued use of the desktop environment. I'm sorry but I object to your reference to dumbing down. There are plenty of opportunities for sophisticated usage in GNOME 3. You obviously feel passionate about this issue, and we're grateful for your support, but please don't take your frustration out on the development community. Best wishes, Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting Tuesday 20:00 UTC
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: >>> Sorry, this is really last minute. I completely forgot to send out a >>> reminder. This is our last marketing meeting before the release. So I >>> think we should try to meet. If we can't meet by phone then let's at least >>> do one over IRC. Apologies for missing the meeting: I was off on holiday yesterday. Did I miss anything important? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3.8 Release Notes
alex diavatis wrote: > Hello Allan, > > I think you're missing Notifications System. > > - Task Switching > - Apps Launching > - Notifications ... Good point, Alex! I'll add those to the notes. Thanks, Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3.8 Release Notes
Hi all, I've completed the first draft of the release notes [1] (albeit without screenshots). Please take a look and let me know if you spot anything that can be improved. Allan [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/release-notes/tree/?h=gnome-3-8 -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release Notes Time!
This is your final call! The Release Notes are pretty much done and I'm looking to get them nailed down at the beginning of next week. If you have anything that should be included and isn't [1], please fill in the wiki page [2] asap. Allan [1] https://git.gnome.org/browse/release-notes/tree/?h=gnome-3-8 [2] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/ReleaseNotes -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release Notes Time!
Some of you have been awesome and have given me nice notes on what you did over the past 6 months. The rest of you are very bad people. There is time to redeem yourselves, but the window of opportunity is closing. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME 3.8 Release Notes
Hi all, I'm in the process of writing the release notes and they're going pretty well. One thing we should discuss is the headline feature list: this is the list of features that we want to highlight in the notes and other marketing materials. So far my draft list looks like: * Windows View (improved thumbnails, easier window switching) * Application View (new section for frequently used and application folders) * Search (new search view can integrate any application, plus there's the new search settings) * Privacy & sharing (new settings, connects well with our privacy campaign) * Clocks (new app) * Improved animation rendering (courtesy of Owen - http://blog.fishsoup.net/) * Classic mode * Initial setup * Details (highlighting the work of Every Detail Matters this cycle) * Settings (lots of updates to the control center) * Input methods (plenty of updates here too) So that's 11 items, which is probably a bit too many. The weakest features (from a marketing perspective) are probably initial setup, details, settings and input methods. Any opinions on what should be demoted? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
Karen Sandler wrote: > I loved how for 3.4 we prepared advance press kits for me to send out. Me too. > It > would be so awesome if we could do that again, but it would involve > pushing up some of the drafting deadlines. Providing screenshots and advance access to the release notes shouldn't be a problem. We will need to have the press release ready early though. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.8 Release Planning
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > I can do the press release, I did part of it last time. I'll figure out how > to get the quotations. That would be great, Sri! First thing to do is to figure out who we want to approach. > We need some press contacts. I know that Vincent has volunteered to be our > media guy. Vincent, can you handle media questions? We have a list of contacts already. We just needs someone send out emails and field questions. > We have one volunteer for videos by the way, just need to get a reasonable > build for him to try. We had discussed this earlier . It is a nice extra I > think. Possibly, Bastian can do some screenshots as well. Video content would be fantastic of course... > I can help out some with the release notes as well and social media. I > will ask for more volunteers on the social networking sites becuase we still > have pending stuff to do on the annual report. :/ One thing we need are blog posts and interviews that can be published in the run up to the release. We can then push those out on the social media channels. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
3.8 Release Planning
Hi all, As I recently noted in my email about release notes, GNOME 3.8 is due for release on March 27. That gives us about a month to get ready on the marketing side. This includes: * Release notes * Press release * Update gnome.org (change the banner on the homepage, update the screenshots on http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/) * Reach out to the press in advance to let them know that the release is coming * Generate buzz any way we can (blog posts, social media, etc) I'm working on the release notes and would appreciate any help I can get. We also need people to take care of the press release (this has a long lead time, since we have to approach people for quotations) and reaching out to the press. Volunteers are badly needed here. Let me know if you can take responsibility for any of these items. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Release Notes Time!
Hi all, It's that time again! GNOME 3.8 is due for release on 27 March: that means we have about two weeks to get the release notes fully written - that's not much time at all. Enter a trance-like state. Cast your mind back over the last six months. Ask yourself: is there anything I have done that will benefit users, developers or administrators? Come back to the world and write it down on the release notes wiki page [1]. Be happy. The sooner we have this information the better, so please don't delay. Thanks in advance, Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/ReleaseNotes -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing meeting Tuesday Feb 12th 20:00 UTC
I can make it. Might be worth talking about the 3.8 release too - it's coming up fast. Allan On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Agenda: > > * FOSDEM report > * Friends of GNOME > * Annual Report > > Standard agenda items: (we don't have to cover, just need to keep it in > mind) > * Check up on FoG contributions and status - contractors doing a good job of > alleviating issues in regards to handling donations. > * Community outreach - (news articles - positive/negative, outreach ideas, > concerns etc) > * Opens > > Actions: > * Karen and Emily working on a wiki page to plan writing content. Andreas > is happy to contribute articles. Having more people contribute the easier > this task will be to complete. > * Allan and Karen will talk with Bastian and Matthias to see where we are > with the privacy controls. Things like privacy mode in Web would be great. > * Sri will try to find other people to help volunteer for annual report > * Andreas to check with Alberto if Healtcheck can be done for all modules. > * Emily to post on the Forums (on going) > * Karen will work on a general privacy statement from GNOME (on going) > * Andreas to look at design area of forums as well as re-doign their theme > * Allan to have release team participating in call > * Karen will open up a dialogue for more formal communication between > release team and marketing team. > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
Emily Gonyer wrote: > Dave, Allan, would any evening be better for you two? Would even an > hour or two earlier be helpful? Thanks for trying to make the meeting easier to attend. Making it a little earlier would certainly help although, again, I can't guarantee that I'll be able to make every one. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Does anybody have a problem with attendance if we move the marketing meeting > from Wednesday to Tuesday at 20:00 UTC? That would actually work better for me. Although, since it's an evening it is hard for me to commit to always making it. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: REMINDER: Marketing meeting January 9th 20:00 UTC
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Reminder that we have a marketing meeting tomorrow: I'm afraid that I won't be able to make tomorrow's meeting. I'll actualy be busy on Wednesday evenings for the next ten weeks. A few comments on a few of the agenda items: > Topics: > > 1) managing classic experience expectations Right now we don't know exactly what "legacy" or "classic" mode will entail (we don't even have a final name decided). There will certainly be window based alt-tab behaviour, an app menu and *some* kind of window list along the bottom of the screen. Many of the details are still to be worked out. The point is that this will not be exactly like GNOME 2, and we don't know what the quality of the new mode will be like. It seems extremely risky to promote a new feature when neither the design nor the implementation have been finalised. Raising expectations could lead to disappointed (although I obviously hope that won't be the case). How do we deal with this? First, we can try to convey the message that it the new mode is still experimental. We could even think about promoting the initial release as a preview release. Second, we should promote those 3.8 features that we can be more confident about. > 2) 2.8 marketing message and materials I presume this means 3.8. :) There is already a long list of new features for the next release. Going through them all, I think we can be confident that it will be fairly strong. Looking at the list of improvements, there are a few themes that stand out to me: * Settings - there will be at least three new settings panels (search, notifications, privacy) as well as reworked panels for power, network and color. There has been a huge amount of work invested. * There's a new story for search, with a new interface in the shell and the new settings panel. This is a new and highly visible integration point for applications. * Applications - Web, Documents, Contacts and Clocks are all getting a decent amount of work this cycle. * Polish - Every Detail Matters has been extremely successful this cycle. We also have Owen Taylor's graphics performance work and a new kind of pressure sensitivity for actions like the hot corner and triggering the Message Tray. There's also been a lot of work to refine and consolidate the big new features we had in 3.6, such as input methods integration and the lock screen. Oh, and the window selection part of the Activities Overview has been massively improved. There's a new potential messages we could talk about there: empowering users (through new settings) as well as increasing quality and providing a refined experience. In terms of materials, I would like to discuss how we want to handle the release notes for 3.8. We should also plan blog posts and news stories about new features for the run up to the release. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: PROPOSED Marketing Meeting: January 9th 20:00 UTC
Works for me. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Same time as usual. Topics: > > 1) managing classic experience expectations > 2) 2.8 marketing message and materials > 3) FoG > 4) follow up on action items from the last meeting > > Please propose any other topics for discussion as well. > > Thanks, > sri > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Some reflections about community outreach
Hey Flavia, Thanks for the mail. This is an excellent summary of some of the challenges we face. In general my view is that the negative perceptions you describe are just that - perceptions. In most of the issues that you describe, there are positive examples that we can point to, and we can hopefully show that GNOME is a great place for people to contribute. Flavia Weisghizzi wrote: ... > 1) Who lead GNOME? Is it still a community driven project? > > It seems to me that during last months, many of the Ubuntu contributors left > the Ubuntu projects in which they were involved because they've felt that > the role of Canonical inside Ubuntu overwhelmed community. > Many former Ubuntu contributors I know decided to dedicate their time to > other FOSS projects, because they were tired to work for Canonical and not > for Ubuntu. > > At the same time, I've heard many friends considering to work for GNOME as > working, ultimately, for Red Hat. > I don't mind if this is or this isn't the truth, but, if GNOME desires show > itself as a community driven project, probably we could discuss ways to give > the Community an higher profile. This inevitably depends on what you understand by community. The overall direction of GNOME is decided by the people who directly contribute to its technical development, including developers, designers, the release team, testers and so on. There is also a wider, more peripheral community of people who help to determine the direction, but to a lesser extent. People who file bugs and participate in online discussions can and do influence the direction, but to a lesser extent. This is the same as it always has been, at least in my experience. I think the main thing to emphasise is that the path to becoming a core contributor is open to those who want to take it. It doesn't matter who you work for or if you're a volunteer: if you put in the effort you can play a part and make a difference. The other thing to emphasise is that everyone gets a say in design decisions, and that developers play a big part in determining the direction of the project. We could also talk about how that happens. One thing we could do here is do some interviews or profiles of people who have risen up through the ranks in recent times. We also have new contributors who are making a real difference. I would love to see us celebrate this aspect of the GNOME project more. It should be one of our key selling points. > 2) Where GNOME is going? > > In my post blog I've talked about the circle of trust made by developers and > designers, and the difficulties for a newcomer in joining this circle. > > I believe there are at least 2 problems. The first one is that the > (perceived) lack of focus, of guidelines, of roadmap, bring with it the > vibes that everyone could give an hand just giving an hand, and of course > all that create some confusion because if the contribute doesn't fit to > project, it could be useful, or worse. > > I well know this problem, e.g. when someone ask me to participate to Media > relations projects, and she/he's not able to distinguish between press > release and (technical) release notes. Communicating the overall vision is harder. It's something we need to do more work on for sure. I do believe that we have a compelling vision that needs communicating. Part of that vision is about where GNOME 3 is heading, but it also about our guiding principles. This is another good observation. I think that, if we can make the path to becoming a core member of the community clearer, then we can hopefully dispel the notion that the circle of trust is impenetrable. Right now the path is unclear, and that makes it look like there isn't a path at all. Yet, new members join our community all the time, and they have to come from somewhere. :) > Moreover, a not so clearly shared roadmap, and the lack of small tasks, > gives the opportunity to contribute only to those people who are able to > spend many of their time on some projects, or can discuss directly with > project maintainers via IRC channels, IM, and so on. > > This is a great way to have full time employed people, but cuts off all the > contributions of that we can call “casual lovers” that, IMHO, are a large > amount of possibly contributors. Every Detail Matters [1] is specifically intended for "casual lovers" and people looking for small tasks. This can definitely be publicised more, and is a good example of the efforts we make to help people get involved. Another thing I would love to do is hold events for new contributors. There have been GNOME Love days in the past but it is years since we held one. ... > 3) Everything is given > > When GNOME Shell has been released, I have been a first time lover, and one > of my friend (a GNOME guy) asked me my feedback about it. I wrote many > blogposts and the conclusion was, in a nutshell, “Very good, too black to > me”. > > He accepted my provocation of a pink shell (you can take a look here [1],
Re: GNOME legacy
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Yeah, I suspect a lot of people want to see what GNOME will deliver in terms > of giving back the original look and feel. > > Legacy mode is going to look and old and crufty as we continue making GNOME > 3 better though. People will end up switching. We don't actually know what "legacy mode" is going to look like, nor do we know how good it will be. It might well be worth us thinking about doing some expectation management prior to the 3.8 release. This thing might well blow up in our faces. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Karen Sandler wrote: ... >> I don't think it's actually that hard to figure out what we need to do to >> improve the perception of GNOME and GNOME 3. There are lots of examples >> that run contrary to the negative discourse that has been circulating - >> you don't have to look far to find people who love GNOME 3, or to find >> developers and designers who are receptive to feedback or who are doing >> cool stuff. > > I love this - as I mentioned on a different thread, I'm working on putting > together a series of interviews of GNOME users, starting with greggKH and > Brett. Do you know of any other awesome folks we should feature? I'm sure I could come up with a few names for you. I'll make some enquiries. ... > Perhaps one thing we can do is put together a wish list of simple things > we'd like to see done, sort of a GNOME love approach to marketing. That > way when newcomers ask for things to do we have a whole list to choose > from. We'd have to make it all things that are not very time sensitive, > but even just listing articles or interviews we'd like to see written > could be a good start. I'd say that the key tasks look something like: * Ensuring that there's a steady stream of messages from the GNOME social media channels * Regular posts on gnome.org * Monitoring of (and engagement with) blog comments, social media sites and forums (we should have a list of sites we want to cover) * Semi-regular events (an announcement can be an event, so can the completion of a new feature) - accompanied by press packs Having a check list of what needs to be done every week (and perhaps every month) could be a good start, perhaps with a way for people to record when they've taken care of something. This would help contributors get started and would also be a way for us to evaluate our performance. It could also be a good basis for regular meetings (less strategy, more tactics). ... >> One possible way we could help with this would be >> to invite designers and developers to come and speak to the marketing >> crew as a part of regular meetings (I'd be happy to help organise that). ... > We talked at this meeting about inviting designers and developers to our > calls maybe on a monthly basis. If you wanted to help organize that it > would be awesome! My idea was to have the guest talk about what they have been working on, and then answer questions from our marketing contributors. One of the objectives would be to create opportunities for marketing contributors to find stories to write about. Another would be to help them establish contacts with the development community. >> What do others think? What can we do to grow the GNOME outreach effort? > > Our actual outreach efforts (mostly around OPW and GSoC) have been really > successful, maybe we need to highlight that more too? I don't think we > ever really did anything with the materials that were prepared at GUADEC > even by the newcomers... Sorry, "outreach" was the wrong word to use there. I should have said marketing... I meant community outreach as community relations, not new contributor programmes. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Thanks again for the minutes, Emily. I was unable to attend the meeting, due to not being able to dial in again (this time I kept being told that the PIN was wrong). Emily Gonyer wrote: > Minutes from Marketing Tele-Conference, December 13, 2013 > > Participants: Sririm Ramkrishna, Karen Sandler, Andreas Nilsson, Emily > Gonyer, Alan Day, Olav Vitters, Flavia Weisghizzi > > Topic: Community Outreach/Development > > Sri: Theres a common wisdom that GNOME will throw out features and are > unfriendly. We've let others tell our story for us. As a result, most > of the press we receive is negative, focusing on GNOME 3's failures > and shortcomings. ... I don't think it's actually that hard to figure out what we need to do to improve the perception of GNOME and GNOME 3. There are lots of examples that run contrary to the negative discourse that has been circulating - you don't have to look far to find people who love GNOME 3, or to find developers and designers who are receptive to feedback or who are doing cool stuff. It might be an obvious point, but GNOME contributors don't actually conform to the way that they are often described. Our task is to let the world know about the great side of GNOME that people don't often hear about, by sharing positive stories about GNOME 3 and our community. That can be through writing blog posts, talking to the press, sharing posts on social media channels (either personal accounts or the GNOME ones), or by participating in forums and mailing lists. We also need advocates who can liaise between our core contributors and the disparate communities that are interested in GNOME. The difficult part is finding people to take on all these tasks, and I actually think that growing and sustaining the GNOME marketing effort is the biggest challenge that we face: we need to focus on how we can grow the GNOME marketing effort. The telephone meetings are a fantastic start here, but we need to do more. One thing we obviously need is critical mass - a few core contributors who can drive things forward by coordinating activity and by enabling and encouraging people to participate. We also need our contributors to feel motivated and valued. One possible way we could help with this would be to invite designers and developers to come and speak to the marketing crew as a part of regular meetings (I'd be happy to help organise that). Another thing we should think about is how to give exposure to marketing contributors. Things like having identifiable authors on gnome.org could really help. It could also be good to have regular activity reports on the list as a way to celebrate the work done by our marketing contributors. What do others think? What can we do to grow the GNOME outreach effort? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing test call tomorrow (Friday) (was Re: marketing meeting next week!)
I've spent some time trying to setup SIP on my Android phone this morning. It's pretty confusing and I'm still uncertain about which provider to sign up with. Surely there's a better solution. Allan On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Brett Legree wrote: > I'll be in the middle of a lunch meeting then, however, as I'll be calling > in by phone for the real call next week, it shouldn't be a problem. > > Brett > > On Dec 7, 2012 1:57 AM, "Sriram Ramkrishna" wrote: >> >> Thanks Karen for setting this up! >> >> The current bits of software that we have been trying out so far has been: >> >> * Ekiga >> * Twinkle >> * linphone >> >> More choices here: >> >> http://www.voipsupply.com/blog/free-sip-softphone-roundup >> >> sri >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, December 6, 2012 1:11 am, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: >>> >>> > I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's >>> > software >>> > working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying >>> > to >>> > get things working and I want to not waste time getting people's >>> > software >>> > working. >>> >>> Why don't we do the test call tomorrow (Friday) at 17:30 UTC? That's >>> 6:30pm Europe/12:30pm east coast/9:30am west coast. >>> >>> Here's dial-in information: >>> PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 >>> SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com >>> PIN: 7925 >>> >>> karen >>> >> >> >> -- >> marketing-list mailing list >> marketing-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >> > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
Thanks for keeping up the momentum, Sri. I am current free at the same time next week. I'd be interested in talking about how we can generate more positive news about GNOME. Allan On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Howdy folks, > > It's that time to start thinking about when to schedule our marketing > meeting next week. Is the same time frame okay or do people want to try a > different time frame in order to have more people. I know that several > people keen on attending. > > I would request the people who volunteered for community outreach attend > this as we will probably spend the entire hour talking about community > management. > > Before we talk, we probably want to plan on a structured discussion as I > think that without one we won't come out of the meeting without any concrete > goals. We should strive to have some kind of actionable item at the end of > the discussion. > > Can we open the floor on what we want to focus on, in the next meeting? > > > I want to do one test call Friday so that we can get everybody's software > working prior to the real meeting. We spent way too much time trying to get > things working and I want to not waste time getting people's software > working. > > Once we find a bullet proof method, we can put it on l.g.o and reference it. > > sri > > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes
Thanks for the minutes, Emily. Emily Gonyer wrote: > Emily: Privacy/Security > Pros: Buzz creation, something different and important to virtually everyone > Cons: how to implement privacy and security in gnome design ... I would much prefer that we focus on privacy and not security. Privacy as a concept is something that people can relate to, and would be a stronger campaign on its own, in my opinion. > - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project > (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to > Privacy and Security. I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense, but it will need more research before we can make a decision. Allan [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689339 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting - Wednesday November 28, 2012 at 20:00 UTC
Karen Sandler wrote: > Here's dial-in information: > PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 > SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com > PIN: 2592 For those of us outside of the US: is there a way to dial in without having to make an international call? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Community Calendar
meg ford wrote: ... > Having editing rights would make more sense since we have to co-ordinate > according to people's schedules, when people can come from out of town, etc, > so dates vary. Done! Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Community Calendar
Hi Meg, If you give me the details, I would be happy to add the events to the community calendar. Alternatively, I could give you the rights to edit the calendar yourself. Just let me know. Allan On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:54 AM, meg ford wrote: > Hi, > > We are doing a monthly GNOME hackfest series here in Chicago and I am > wondering how we can add the events to the GNOME community calendar? > > Thanks! > Meg Ford > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: reddit IAMA GNOME developer/designer
I'm scared, but I'm game. Perhaps we could use the "I am GNOME" badge that Jimmac did? https://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/promo/iamgnome/iamgnome.png Allan On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > So, I've been hitting the reddit /r/gnome and believe it or not I've been > getting positive reactions to my advocacy. > > Someone suggested doing a IAMA GNOME developer or maybe designer. I thought > that was a pretty decent idea. I generally love the reddit community and > it's not filled with the same kind of silliness like slashdot. > > Maybe Allan and Jasper could do a tag team and talk about GNOME and it's > vision. What do you think? I can probably also help out as well. It would > be a great public relations event. It'll be a challenge, but it's worth > doing. > > sri > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Publishing in Linux Format
Apologies for ignoring this thread for a while. It would be fantastic to have a regular page in Linux Format, and I'm grateful to the publishers for offering us this opportunity. However, I don't think we currently have the resources to produce a monthly page (particularly considering the deadlines that would be involved). That said, maybe we could manage to do a short column each month - I remember that the one that Michael Meeks did for Linux Format was a diary-style entry that was just two or three paragraphs. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME campaign
Seif Lotfy wrote: > I am totally onboaed with the privacy campaign. I also would like to suggest > an alternative campaign. > * Usability Testing Campaign * > The goal would be to get real users in to do real use-cases which correspond > to target verticals, watch the videos, file bugs and enable the designers to > work on those issues. > What do you think? Usability testing or privacy are nice ideas, but we have to be able to link the money we will raise to these deliverables. How will extra funds ensure that these things happen? Can we guarantee that we will make progress if we raise enough cash? I asked about extra hardware for testing a little while back [1]. The answer I got [2] was that extra money wasn't currently required. It was implied that extra sysadmin resources would help though. One idea - could we raise money to support extra interns through the Outreach Program for Women? Allan [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-os-list/2012-August/msg00040.html [2] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-os-list/2012-August/msg00042.html -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: systray shortkey
Hi Juan, The marketing list isn't generally the place for general inquiries... that said, I do know the answer to this one. :) Basically, we're working on it [1]. Allan [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682229 On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Juan Antonio wrote: > > Hi all, > > the first, thank you for gnome and gnome-shell, great job, I really > think gnome-shell is the best desktop ever. > > my question, anyway to close systray with the super+M short key in shell > 3.6? I think it would be nicer if I could open and close the systray > with the same keystroke. > > thank you. > > -- > "Tanto en los deportes como en todo lo demás, soy un experto. Pero para > mantener viva mi inteligencia natural y fuera de serie, tengo que comer > mucho" > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.6 Release Marketing
Here's an update on where we are with the release marketing: * Release notes - done, currently being translated * Press release - Sri is leading this, and I've been gathering quotations (we have 4 confirmed now). The text itself is work in progress. * GNOME 3 page on gnome.org - Andreas said he'd update the screenshots. * GNOME 3 homepage banner - I've been talking to Lapo and Jimmac about getting some new artwork. The current idea is to do something that highlights our new accessibility and input methods features, with the theme "Freedom for all". * Announcement news post - a draft is sitting in gnome.org; please check it over and give feedback, if you have access. * Press outreach - this hasn't happened yet. I might have time, but I might not - please step up here, if you can. So most things are under control. We definitely could do with news posts for before and after the release (perhaps spotlighting particular features). It would also be cool if anyone has ideas for things we could do on the social media front. I've always liked the idea of having an online event to coincide with the release... maybe we could use Hangouts to do a live party, or to stream an interview with key developers or designers? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.6 Release Marketing
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Last time we were going to ask Dirk Hoendel. Would you like me to ask him > for a quote? I wouldn't pursue him too aggressively, considering what happened last time (lots of chasing, and a response that he couldn't quickly provide a quote, since he'd have to run it past some people in Intel). But if it's easy to ask informally, then by all means pose the question - I would definitely like a quote from him/Intel. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
3.6 Release Marketing
Hi all, We have one week until the release of GNOME 3.6, and there's a bunch of stuff that needs doing before then. This includes: * Write a press release, including quotations from important people * Write a news story for gnome.org * Update the gnome.org/gnome-3 page to reflect the new release (new screenshots, perhaps tweak the content) * Create a new graphic and tag line for the gnome.org homepage * Send an email to our press contacts to ensure that they know about the release, and to give them advance access to the release notes The press release is probably the most pressing item right now, because we have to request quotations from people. It would be fantastic if anybody wants to help out with anything on the list. I'll be around on #marketing - just say hi or hang around if you want to help. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Karen Sandler wrote: > As many of you know from GUADEC, GNOME's 15th anniversary is coming up > very soon - on August 15! Some of us were talking about putting up a > website, and after Andreas' suggestion at GUADEC I went ahead and > registered > > HappyBirthdayGNOME.com and HappyBirthdayGNOME.org > > What should we have on the site? This is a fantastic idea - thanks for making it happen! A few ideas: * Leave a birthday message (probably too much work, and would require moderation, but would be nice) * Some stats which summarise our accomplishments - number of commits, committers, bugs fixed, releases, companies involved, number of GUADECs, Foundation members, etc * A super short history - "In 1997 two university students set out to create a Free Software desktop..." I think it is important that the site is forward looking also. "Here's to another 15 years" carries a good message. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Join Marketing Team
Hey Eduardo! Eduardo Araújo wrote: > I want to help to promote GNOME, I am already in the marketing team of > openSUSE, TheDocumentFoundation and I would like to cooperating with > GNOME too. ... Welcome on board! We'd love to have your help. Sorry it's taken me a while to respond - I'm just catching up after GUADEC. We are always looking for news posts to go on gnome.org. There's plenty of potential material on Planet GNOME and on guadec.org if you want to have a go at writing something. (Or just ping me if you want a more concrete suggestion.) I'm hoping to have a get together soon to plan news activities; so stay tuned. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Karen Sandler wrote: >> The main goal of the schedule (and the editorial team) is to ensure >> that posts are fairly evenly spaced. We don't want too many posts at >> the same time, and we need to avoid having lengthy dry periods. > > This sounds great! We could perhaps evaluate some of the GUADEC materials > for articles that are not time sensitive (interviews and the like) so we > have a backlog of materials to fall back on during drier times - that's > how I got my oggcast going with Bradley the first year. Jos and I wrote > some materials at DS last year, but they didn't go that far. Yep, we should definitely review existing material for potential posts. >>> Using a Google Doc for a rough schedule so as to ensure that we do >>> have content during the 'dead' periods between releases, conferences, >>> etc does make sense. I'd be happy to be an editor/reviewer on the site >>> as I have been doing for the past week or so now. So far its been >>> great, and everyone I've heard from seems to enjoy them. >> >> Great - it would be fantastic to have you working on this. > > So great, thank you Emily!!! Are there downsides to using piratepad or > something like that? I don't particularly trust Piratepad for long-term storage... either way, the main thing we need is something where we can see if there have been updates, or even get notifications. Can we do that with a private part of the wiki, perhaps? Or perhaps we can do it in Wordpress itself... >>> I haven't yet committed to any BOF, so the 1st sounds fine to me. What >>> time? >> >> It'll be the final day; we ought to make sure that people will be >> around before making definite arrangements. But maybe 11am would be >> good? > > I think I'll have to leave before then, but if this time works for > everyone else I'll try to meet up with folks before then during the > conference to chip in. OK, let's see if we can organise something during the conference itself. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [guadec-list] Marketing Plans for GUADEC
Chema Casanova wrote: > O Mér, 18-07-2012 ás 11:24 +0100, Allan Day escribiu: >> GUADEC is a great opportunity to generate publicity around GNOME. >> Marketing can also help people who aren't able to attend to stay in >> touch with the conference and feel like they are involved. > >> It would be great if we could have a series of GUADEC reports posted >> on gnome.org during the conference. I'd be happy to write one. Does >> anyone else want to? > > From the local team, we are really interested in this, and it would be > nice this reports were written from people from the community, this is > one of the tasks we would like to do in collaboration with volunteers. > The same for uploading pictures from the conference. Fantastic! I wonder what the best way to organise this would be? Could you provide me with a list of volunteers, perhaps? And maybe we could meet on the first day of the conference to work out the details? ... > Wifi will be available at the venue but with 250 people in the same room ... Thanks, that's really useful. >> Any other ideas for marketing activities we can do for the conference? > > We would like to prepare an area to do video interviews with speakers > that could be published in the web. That would be great! Do you have video equipment arranged? Perhaps we could work together to draw up and plan and some interview questions? If we do make videos, it would be great to be able to quickly get them online. I guess that means we'll need to figure out arrangements for processing and editing. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Emily Gonyer wrote: > I think we should aim for a minimum of 2 posts a week, and if/when > there is more to post, not hesitate to do so. Whenever big events (ie > GUADEC, GNOME.Asia, etc) occur, its quite likely that we'll have much > more content to publish, and limiting ourselves to 3 or so posts a > week just seems silly. It also sets ourselves up for irrelevance as we > are likely to have time-relative material that only makes sense to > publish around the event. Waiting untill afterwards simply because of > a pre-determined schedule is likely to make it fall into irrelevance > and not get published at all. During GUADEC large portions of our > audience are likely to want releveant and up-to-date posts more so > than at other times. To clarify - the suggestion for 3 posts a week was a minimum, not a maximum, and the number was just intended to get the discussion going. We can totally change that. :) I would hope that we will include event reports within the schedule, and we will obviously need to be flexible in order to cover events as the happen. That'll take a little bit of running coordination. The main goal of the schedule (and the editorial team) is to ensure that posts are fairly evenly spaced. We don't want too many posts at the same time, and we need to avoid having lengthy dry periods. > Using a Google Doc for a rough schedule so as to ensure that we do > have content during the 'dead' periods between releases, conferences, > etc does make sense. I'd be happy to be an editor/reviewer on the site > as I have been doing for the past week or so now. So far its been > great, and everyone I've heard from seems to enjoy them. Great - it would be fantastic to have you working on this. > I haven't yet committed to any BOF, so the 1st sounds fine to me. What time? It'll be the final day; we ought to make sure that people will be around before making definite arrangements. But maybe 11am would be good? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Plans for GUADEC
Hi all, GUADEC is a great opportunity to generate publicity around GNOME. Marketing can also help people who aren't able to attend to stay in touch with the conference and feel like they are involved. It would be great if we could have a series of GUADEC reports posted on gnome.org during the conference. I'd be happy to write one. Does anyone else want to? Live microblogging would be good also, if we can manage that. One critical factor here will be ensuring that there's Internet access available. Does anyone have any tips for mobile broadband while travelling in Europe? Any other ideas for marketing activities we can do for the conference? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Emily Gonyer wrote: > Meeting at GUADEC sounds like a great idea. When would work for everyone? > I don't know of any BOF that I'm 100% attending yet. > Yep, a meeting sounds good. I'm fully booked for the first two BoF days (30th & 31st of July), but could do the 1st if anyone is free then. Otherwise, we can try and organise something informally during the conference itself. There should be time. It might also be good to continue the discussion here - that'll give people who won't be at GUADEC (/ME waves to Sri and Christy) a chance to comment, and will maybe help to spur discussion when we do meet. So let me sketch a rough plan for how news could work... A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects * We have a set of guidelines on when to post (ie. mid-week, preferably during daylight for North America and Europe) * We have a small editorial team consisting of three or four people * The schedule for posts is planned in advance by the editorial team at a monthly IRC meeting * Each post has an assigned author and editor. It is the editor's job to ensure that the post is delivered on time and that it is checked for quality before posting. * If a post does not meet its deadline, we publish something else instead (hopefully from a queue of backup material) and keep it in a holding pattern until a space in the schedule becomes available * The editors maintain a document containing ideas for content, which anyone can add to. This gets reviewed at each monthly editorial meeting The existing gnome.org site provides almost all the infrastructure we need for this to happen. We can use it to store all our queued material (perhaps with a separate category for backup posts). We can easily use it to give people author and editor roles. Our list of post ideas can be a simple wiki page on live.gnome.org. The only infrastructure question is where to keep the publishing schedule. My personal view is that something semi-private to the editorial team is best for this; a Google Doc would work well, although maybe there's a free option that could work? Thoughts? Opinions? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME News
Hey all, There's recently been some discussion about doing more in the news department. This is something we've been trying to move forward for some time but have struggled to make any progress with. Emily's done a good job getting some posts out in the past few days though, and I'm hopeful that we can get something going. The previous incarnation of our plans was to create a separate GNOME News site, which would take over some duties from news.gnome.org. Christy did a great job trying to make that happen, but I think it was probably too ambitious. Taking a simpler approach and using the existing blog at gnome.org/news seems like a more realistic option. To make this work, we'll need a few things: * Review of posts before publication * A schedule for posts and a list of ideas for future material * Publishing of posts in a choreographed fashion * Regular meetings to plan ahead * Display of authors on the website * A more interesting looking news page [1] Making this happen shouldn't be too hard. The main thing we'll need is a small group of editors to keep things rolling along. Sri and Emily have already said that they'd like to help, and I'll chip in (more help will definitely be welcome though). The next step is to get together to work out the details. We can do this online or at GUADEC if there will be enough people there. Thoughts? Allan [1] http://www.gnome.org/news/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews and Gnomers
Dave Neary wrote: ... > I asked Alex whether he'd be prepared to be an author on GNOME News, so > these are being submitted for publication on gnome.org/news - do you not > think that's a good idea? I thought we were actively looking for authors for > original material for the news site. ... Ah, sorry - I hadn't quite realised. The reason I didn't suggest that was simply that we haven't carried that kind of content on gnome.org in the past. Carrying more news on the main gnome.org site could make a lot of sense though, and it's actually something I've been interested in doing for a while. If we were to carry more in-depth news content on gnome.org, the site might need some work (posts aren't shown as being provided by individual authors right now, for example; also there's no comments system, and it doesn't particularly look like a news site). More importantly, we don't have an editorial system, either to ensure quality or to schedule and organise new posts. All of this could be corrected, of course, and this could be a good opportunity to think about what direction we want to take. I can potentially help a little, but I don't have much time for marketing work at the moment. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews and Gnomers
Hey Alex, alex diavatis wrote: ... > As I haven't an answer back yet, is it ok to publish Elena's interview and > you can collect it when you're ready on Gnome.org? > Do you want me to signed it as "This interview is made for Gnome Foundation" > or something? My advice would be to publish when you're ready. If we want to publicise the interview, we can post something on gnome.org with a link to your site. You don't need to attribute to the GNOME Foundation or anything - you've done the work; it's your interview. Thanks for your work! Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Better quality images in Gnome Live?
Hi Alex, alex diavatis wrote: > Thank you Allan for the fast reply, > How can I check page history? I can do this only by browsing Recent Changes? Use the Info link. ... > (https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/Installer) last edited by > McCann. > Should I contact him? Sure. But first a health warning - many of the mockups we have on the wiki are extremely tentative. They are work in progress and are often an unreliable predictor of the final user experience. Many are best described as sketches rather than designs. They sometimes describe features which might not happen, or which might take months or even years to be finally implemented. So be careful about using them. I would strongly encourage you to contact the designer or maintainer in question to get some facts about a design before publishing a story about it. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Better quality images in Gnome Live?
Hi Alex, alex diavatis wrote: ... > I am looking for better quality in the tentative design images you print in > Gnome Live. ... > and other modules are in so poor quality that you can't even read the text > on them. > Can I please have another source for them? We don't produce hi-resolution mockups for every design - it would be too time consuming. What you see on those pages is everything we have. If you want a larger version of an image, you are best to contact the designer who made them (check the wiki page history). Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
"Karen Sandler" wrote: >> The only thing I've found which is able to do what we need is >> Tweetdeck. I'd be really happy to use that on a shared GNOME account. >> > > Hmmm, there seem to be a lot of proprietary solutions for this. But hopefully we can do better - have you looked into tricklepost? Could that work for what we need? I'll do some further digging too! I had a look at Tricklepost, but it doesn't seem relevant. Have you discovered anything useful? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Allan Day wrote: > Anthony Papillion wrote: > ... >> Tweetdeck is great except it's not really for group microblogging. I'm >> part of a crisis mappers group and we use a service called "Timely" to >> coordinate tweeting as a team. It's great and it lets people >> collaborate on the tweets sent out, track metrics, reach, etc. >> >> I believe the site is www.time.ly but if that's not it let me know and >> I'll dig it up. > > Thanks for the suggestion, Anthony! It looks like Timely [1] does > automatic scheduling of posts rather than allowing you to schedule > them for a specific time in the future... is that right? ... Could it be that Buffer [1] is what we need? Allan [1] http://bufferapp.com/ -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
Anthony Papillion wrote: ... > Tweetdeck is great except it's not really for group microblogging. I'm > part of a crisis mappers group and we use a service called "Timely" to > coordinate tweeting as a team. It's great and it lets people > collaborate on the tweets sent out, track metrics, reach, etc. > > I believe the site is www.time.ly but if that's not it let me know and > I'll dig it up. Thanks for the suggestion, Anthony! It looks like Timely [1] does automatic scheduling of posts rather than allowing you to schedule them for a specific time in the future... is that right? Allan [1] http://timely.is -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
Tobias Mueller wrote: >> The only thing I've found which is able to do what we need is >> Tweetdeck. > I haven't seen why using "at" doesn't do what we want. Have I missed that? ... If you schedule posts, other contributors need to be able to see what has been scheduled. Otherwise you could easily end up with conflicts. And I don't want to have to leave a machine running to know that a post will be made. We might want to schedule posts weeks in advance. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
Karen Sandler wrote: ... >> I really need a way to schedule >> microblogging posts. ... >> This leaves two options that I can see: >> >> 1. Change our workflow so that we publish posts on Twitter and push >> them to Identi.ca from there. Then use a Twitter client with >> scheduling capabilities. >> >> 2. Use the gnome.org Wordpress install to schedule microblogging posts >> and push them to Twitter. ... > This sounds like a good plan to me - is it easy to use the Wordpress install > in that way? I think it would be worth the inconvenience to be able to do > this. I'm not a microblogger by nature, but it's really important we have > that kind of content out there (and I usually think of things to microblog > long after they're relevant, and think darn...) ... I've tried a couple of Wordpress plugins for posting to Identi.ca, but these are generally focused on sending updates when you publish a blog post, and none of them really fitted the bill. Identi.ca itself does have a feature that allows you to generate messages from an RSS/Atom feed (which we could generate using Wordpress), but the feature isn't working for me, for some reason. I'm also starting to think that using Wordpress as a microblogging platform is just wrong. :) The only thing I've found which is able to do what we need is Tweetdeck. I'd be really happy to use that on a shared GNOME account. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Rollup Display
Andreas Nilsson wrote: > On 05/27/2012 01:41 PM, Tobias Mueller wrote: >> >> Hey folks :) >> >> I got the rollup-display. You can see it in action here: >> http://people.gnome.org/~tobiasmue/blog/2012-LinuxTag/20120524_001.jpg > > That looks great, cool to see it in action! I agree - excellent stuff. It might even look better without the other posters you've got there. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Microblogging Workflow
Tobias Mueller wrote: > Bonjour :) > > On 17.05.2012 18:17, Allan Day wrote: >> Thoughts? Opinions? >> > What about writing or enhancing something to schedule a post. Identica > is, after all, free software, no? > > But it can't be terribly hard to implement something like > 'sleep 24h && identica "my message"' ... That's a nice idea; it's certainly an option! Would it let me see which messages are queued up? One thing that I liked about the Wordpress idea is that it would let us collaborate in sending out microblogging posts. Contributors could log in and see what messages are in the queue, and they could add their own. People could even help to write posts weeks in advance. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Microblogging Workflow
Hi all, I do most of the GNOME microblogging, but I often find it difficult to do it effectively. One reason for this is that there currently isn't a way to schedule a post. I'll often think of things that need posting at times when they won't get exposure, or I'll think of three different posts all at once. I really need a way to schedule microblogging posts. Our microblogging posts are currently published on Identi.ca. From there they are pushed to Twitter, and from Twitter to Facebook. I've been unable to find an Ident.ca client that allows scheduling (they do exist for Twitter). This leaves two options that I can see: 1. Change our workflow so that we publish posts on Twitter and push them to Identi.ca from there. Then use a Twitter client with scheduling capabilities. 2. Use the gnome.org Wordpress install to schedule microblogging posts and push them to Twitter. The second option seems nicer to me, because it gives us a common shared platform for publishing news. I'm imagining that we'd have to install a plugin and create a separate news category for microblogging. Potential downside: we clutter the Wordpress install with lots of microblogging guff. Thoughts? Opinions? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Calendar
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > > On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Allan Day wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stormy Peters wrote: >> > We have a GNOME community calendar in Google. Maybe we could use that? >> >> Thanks Stormy, this does exactly what we need in terms of >> functionality. Nice to pick something up that already has people >> signed up to it, too. >> >> I'd like to add events to the calendar (hackfests, conferences, >> release dates) as well as marketing planning dates (when to start >> preparing release materials, when to post news stories, etc). I hope >> that's OK. >> > > Sounds great! I've added some events and TODO items to the calendar, and I've linked to it from the marketing wiki pages. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Calendar
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stormy Peters wrote: > We have a GNOME community calendar in Google. Maybe we could use that? Thanks Stormy, this does exactly what we need in terms of functionality. Nice to pick something up that already has people signed up to it, too. I'd like to add events to the calendar (hackfests, conferences, release dates) as well as marketing planning dates (when to start preparing release materials, when to post news stories, etc). I hope that's OK. > I don't know how the find the public url for a Google calendar and I'm in > meetings for the rest of the day (but can try later ...), but I invited you > to it ... There's html [1], xml [2] and ical [3] Allan [1] https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=mdnrfqhbsjn37b6sgad089qmak%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/London [2] https://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/mdnrfqhbsjn37b6sgad089qmak%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic [3] https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/mdnrfqhbsjn37b6sgad089qmak%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Marketing Calendar
Hi folks, A little while ago we spoke about setting up a calendar for GNOME marketing. I think this is really needed. (The key requirement for the calendar is that different people can subscribe to it and receive updates as events are added and modified.) We've been testing a Wordpress plugin on the gnome.org test site but I'm not getting the behaviour we need (indeed, I can't subscribe to it from my Google Calendar at all). Does anyone have any bright ideas for how to set up a shared calendar? Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Website(s) todo list
Andreas and Christy - thanks so much for putting this list together, it's great to have. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2012, Brian Cameron wrote: > >> While foundation.gnome.org is looking much better, it seems really hard >> to find pages like: >> >> http://www.gnome.org/foundation/governance/ >> http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/ A couple of relevant bugs: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671795 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671815 I wonder if we could organise an event to get new web hackers involved? Like a GNOME web hack day, or something? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
News posts needed
Hi all, There are a few things happening at the moment that it would be great to have news articles on. As always, we just need something short, informative and tailored to a wide audience. * Foundation board elections [1] * Google Summer of Code announcements [2, 3] * 3.6 feature planning [4, 5] It would be great if anyone wants to write posts for any of these. :) Allan [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2012-April/msg00015.html [2] http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/students-announced-for-google-summer-of.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+GoogleOpenSourceBlog+%28Google+Open+Source+Blog%29 [3] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-April/msg00176.html [4] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/ [5] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-April/thread.html -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Getting GNOME page on gnome.org
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Mon, April 2, 2012 9:30 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: >> So, what your saying is that its really hard to get a good GNOME 3 install >> on Mageia and therefor it shouldn't be on the list of distros, correct? I >> get that. Theres a reason we don't list *every* distro on the page >> afterall! Maybe we should come up with a concrete set of 'rules' to be >> listed and then work our way through a list of distros and rule them in or >> out as we go. > > Another thought - > > Is there any reason we can't have a link on this page saying, "see other > distributions using GNOME", where we have a separate page and add anyone > who asks or makes sense to add? I would hope to avoid the need for another page... > Also, we should think about adding Pandora as another footnote, saying > that GNOME 3 is available on a fully free distribution there, because that > represents a slightly different ideological issue (while not meeting our > criteria for inclusion in general, it fills a niche that a real subset of > our users may be interested in knowing about). Do you have a link to any information about Pandora? I can't find any. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Getting GNOME page on gnome.org
> I want Mageia to be removed from this list the way it is now. You're not > getting GNOME 3 with the stated instructions. As such, I don't want it > in there. I'd be sorry to see it removed. Would it be possible for Mageia to host instructions explaining how to install GNOME 3, do you think? Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Getting GNOME page on gnome.org
Hey all,
My view is that this page should help newcomers get hold of GNOME 3,
either to try it or run it full time. This is the main place on the
web for people to get this information. It is a prominent
public-facing page. The focus should be on assisting non-experts,
therefore. We know there is a lot of demand for this, thanks to our
new super awesome web stats - the getting GNOME page receives a lot of
inbound traffic, and generates a lot of outbound traffic to the major
distros also.
If someone is interested in a less popular distro, I think we can
assume they already have some technical expertise, and that they have
the skills to find the information they require.
With this in mind, we used some rough criteria when selecting the
distros to include when this page the first time round. These went
roughly:
* provide a complete (or almost complete) GNOME 3 experience, which
is reasonably close to upstream
* make it easy for a novice to get GNOME 3
* if they don't include GNOME 3 out of the box, have a single link we
can include to provide instructions or automatically install it
(preferably not requiring the use of a command line)
When GNOME 3.0 came out, that lead us to include Fedora and openSUSE,
if I recall correctly. Ubuntu was added once their GNOME 3 ppa was
ready.
I think it's important to recognise that this page isn't a popularity
contest or a statement about which distros GNOME likes and which it
doesn't. Its primary purpose is to help newcomers get started using
GNOME 3. It is also a nice place to illustrate the communities and
values associated with GNOME, of course, and this page can do a bit of
that, but this shouldn't detract from its primary focus. Having a less
prominent secondary list of distros which include GNOME 3, but maybe
aren't as easy to get started with, seems like a good compromise to
me. How we select that list of distros is a little tricky, of course.
(But I do think we should have some criteria for this.)
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 2:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 03:40:41PM +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
>> So what about the others then? I forgot about the Amazing Distro X! :)
>> I felt that the instructions for Arch ("GNOME is available in the
>> _extra_ repository"), Mageia ("GNOME 3 is coming in the next
>
>
> I don't like this change.
>
> I help out at Mageia. And the standard Mageia doesn't provide the
> correct GNOME. Saying:
> "Check out their websites for more details."
>
> while GNOME 3 is only in the next version, by default you only get
> gnome-shell and not e.g. gnome-documents...
>
> The purpose of getting GNOME page is to explain how you can get GNOME.
> The text on the getting-gnome is totally inaccurate.
>
> If you don't want Mageia there, remove it.
>
> But if you want to say how to get GNOME, then explain how to get GNOME.
Does the current version of Mageia let you get a complete (or near
complete) GNOME 3? (Not just the shell - the apps, wallpaper, font,
visual theme, control center, etc etc). It seems strange distro to
have on the getting GNOME page if it doesn't have that.
Either way, I don't think it should be our responsibility to maintain
instructions for installing GNOME 3 on distros. If we did that for
every distro on that page, it would quickly become a mess and
maintenance burden.
Allan
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Re: marketing calendar
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote: ... >> * Not exposing the calendar too much on the site. > > Why? Isn't GNOME an open collaborative project? gnome.org is the first point of contact before people get into the nitty gritty. A calendar on there could appear as if it has general significance for the whole project, rather than being specific to the work done by the marketing team. I'm just saying that the calendar should be exposed in the appropriate place. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing calendar
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote: > Bonjour :) > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 07:11:25PM -0600, Christy Eller wrote: >> Yes, but I think what Allan was looking for was a reminder email. > Well, it should be rather easy to convert Events from a standard format like > ical to emails. > > So if you provide a .ical file, one can parse that rather easily and send > emails based on the results. My requirements: * Integration with common email clients (Google, Evolution, Thunderbird, etc) - I want to see the marketing calendar alongside my existing calendar * Ability to edit the calendar - updated should get passed out to clients I don't see a need for email reminders right now and, as Tobi suggests, I assume that people will be able to set up email reminders based on the calendar, should they want them. In the meeting we discussed the possibility of a calendar hosted on Wordpress or an .ics file hosted on the GNOME infrastructure. Wordpress would probably lower the barrier to editing for many contributors. However, I do have a couple of concerns there: * Not exposing the calendar too much on the site. gnome.org is for public consumption, and this calendar is very much for internal purposes only (as much as we ever have something that is internal) * Keeping track of changes. It would be annoying if changes were made to the calendar and it wasn't clear what those changes were or who had made them. This is a problem that Git and the GNOME infrastructure has solved... Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release notes announcement to press
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Allan Day wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> Hey, >> >> The release notes have now been finalized. Does someone have contacts >> with the press? If so, please share below with them. >> >> Details: >> URL: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/ >> Username: gnome >> Password: 3.4 > > I've finished my final changes this morning. Please check the notes > over for errors. > > I've also got a couple of zip files containing screenshot packs. It > would be great if we could make these available to the press somehow. The 3.4 screenshots are now available for download: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2012/three-four-screenshots/ Feel free to share the link with members of the press. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GSoC News Post
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Allan Day wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Oliver Propst > wrote: >> Here comes another rough draft (around noon today I sent a reply only to >> Allan's mail address... note to myself, learn how reply to a mailist). > > 'Reply to all' is your friend. :) > >> The GNOME project accepted as an participant organization in Google Summer >> of Code 2012 (headline) >> For the 7th year the GNOME project will participate in the Google Summer of >> Code (GSoC) >> program. Google Summer of Code is an opportunity for post-secondary students >> to contribute code to open source projects during summer vacation and get >> paid for >> successful contributions. This year edition of Google Summer of Code is >> between May 21 - August 24 , the deadline for submissions is April 6. >> >> The GNOME project offer students several interesting projects to work on, >> a list with suggestions is available at >> http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2012/Ideas >> It is also possible to submit your own idea. >> >> [a quote from a member of the GNOME foundation that say something about GSoC >> as a great way to >> get involved in the GNOME project/open source] >> >> For more information about requirements and how to apply please >> visit http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2012/Students >> >> This draft is very minimal maybe it can be extended in some way. > > Thanks for your help, Oliver! This looks really good. I'll combine > your and Emily's work and try and publish later today. Done! Thanks again Emily and Oliver; you've written a nice little article. http://www.gnome.org/news/2012/03/gnome-to-participate-in-google-summer-of-code-2012/ Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release Notes Edits
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > I've just read over the release notes in git. Sorry for not doing this > sooner. I realize the notes are already supposed to be frozen, so I've > listed only things that I think are critical language problems. ... Thanks for your help Shaun! I just went to make these corrections, but it seems that Andre beat me to it. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GSoC News Post
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Oliver Propst wrote: > Here comes another rough draft (around noon today I sent a reply only to > Allan's mail address... note to myself, learn how reply to a mailist). 'Reply to all' is your friend. :) > The GNOME project accepted as an participant organization in Google Summer > of Code 2012 (headline) > For the 7th year the GNOME project will participate in the Google Summer of > Code (GSoC) > program. Google Summer of Code is an opportunity for post-secondary students > to contribute code to open source projects during summer vacation and get > paid for > successful contributions. This year edition of Google Summer of Code is > between May 21 - August 24 , the deadline for submissions is April 6. > > The GNOME project offer students several interesting projects to work on, > a list with suggestions is available at > http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2012/Ideas > It is also possible to submit your own idea. > > [a quote from a member of the GNOME foundation that say something about GSoC > as a great way to > get involved in the GNOME project/open source] > > For more information about requirements and how to apply please > visit http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2012/Students > > This draft is very minimal maybe it can be extended in some way. Thanks for your help, Oliver! This looks really good. I'll combine your and Emily's work and try and publish later today. Best, Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Release notes announcement to press
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > Hey, > > The release notes have now been finalized. Does someone have contacts > with the press? If so, please share below with them. > > Details: > URL: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.4/ > Username: gnome > Password: 3.4 I've finished my final changes this morning. Please check the notes over for errors. I've also got a couple of zip files containing screenshot packs. It would be great if we could make these available to the press somehow. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting - Friday March 23rd - 8:00am PDT/15:00 GMT
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > Greetings, > > Apparently, my mail last week didn't get sent because I sent it to > marketing-list-request instead of marketing-list. > > Please find, the new meeting time on Friday (everything else nobody else > could make) at 8:00am PDT / 15:00 GMT. > > Hopefully, I made allowances for daylight savings. :-) That's good for me. See you then! Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GSoC News Post
Hi all, I thought I'd throw this out there, in case anyone is interested in doing it. GNOME has recently been accepted for the upcoming Google Summer of Code. It'd be great to have a short news post for gnome.org about it. It can be very minimal - what GSoC is, what we'll be doing, when it'll be running, how people can apply. Get in touch if you want to help; I'm happy to act as editor. Allan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Press Release
Thanks to Emily and Eleanor for volunteering! It's important that we start approaching people for quotations as soon as possible. I've seen a few suggestions already - let's draw up a list of potential quotees and go from there. I'll be on IRC all day. Allan On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Dave Neary wrote: > Excellent, thanks Eleanor! > > When do you think you'll have time for a first draft? > > Thanks, > Dave. > > "Eleanor Chen" wrote: > >>Please allow me to write a draft. >> >>Eleanor >> >>On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Allan Day wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:12:28AM +, Allan Day wrote: >>>>>> We should already be making progress with the press release for >>the >>>>>> 3.4 release. Is anyone willing to take it on? >>> >>> Ping. We're going to be in real trouble if someone doesn't get >>started >>> with this (we might already be). >>> >>> Allan >>> -- >>> IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org >>> Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ >>> -- >>> marketing-list mailing list >>> marketing-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >>> >> >>-- >>It is the time you have spent for your rose that makes your rose so >>important. >>-- >>marketing-list mailing list >>marketing-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Press Release
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:12:28AM +, Allan Day wrote: >>> We should already be making progress with the press release for the >>> 3.4 release. Is anyone willing to take it on? Ping. We're going to be in real trouble if someone doesn't get started with this (we might already be). Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: ... > In the past year and a half, I've come to really appreciate video calls. In > my experience, meetings held via video are universally more on track and > productive. I much prefer them over phone only calls now. ... That's been my recent experience too. It'd be great to avoid Google but I'm yet to find a good alternative. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 16:00 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: >> I have setup a doodle for a marketing meeting using google hangouts. >> Please RSVP what would be the best time. If I'm missing a convenient >> time zone, please let me know. All the times are London times, (GMT >> -7 for west coast, -6 for mountain, etc) >> > How come the meeting has to be in some Google service instead of our own > marketing IRC channel? Google Hangouts are really nice for video conferencing. I find them more effective than IRC for meetings, plus it's more personal. But we can use IRC if anyone has a serious objection. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Press Release
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:12:28AM +0000, Allan Day wrote: >> We should already be making progress with the press release for the >> 3.4 release. Is anyone willing to take it on? >> >> I'm going to be busy with the release notes, but I'll chip in where I can. > > You mentioned yesterday that ideally you wanted the release-notes to be split: > - high level overview of new features > - link to detailed notes > > IMO that is a great idea. Then for the press release, we IMO (aside from > the standard texts), we should use the same high level overview. In the > release-notes we can link everything in the high level overview to the > various sections. In the press release there should just be a pointer to > the release notes. The www.gnome.org news item could be the same. > > For 3.4 it would just be something in the "Introduction" section. For > 3.6 we can look at mallard, etc. > > Do you agree? It certainly makes sense to have a high-level description of the key features that we can reuse or adapt for the different pieces of writing. I also like the idea of linking to sections in the release notes from the press release. I'm working on the release notes today and I'm trying to structure them so that they provide a set of highlights. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
3.4 Press Release
Hey all, We should already be making progress with the press release for the 3.4 release. Is anyone willing to take it on? I'm going to be busy with the release notes, but I'll chip in where I can. Best, Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > I have setup a doodle for a marketing meeting using google hangouts. Please > RSVP what would be the best time. If I'm missing a convenient time zone, > please let me know. All the times are London times, (GMT -7 for west coast, > -6 for mountain, etc) > > Agenda: > > * talk about the GNOME 3.4 release > * Current marketing projects > > http://www.doodle.com/2ya325ssgyat9zpd Thanks for kick starting this, Sri. It looks like we've had a decent number of responses already. I've started adding some agenda items to the wiki [1]. Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeamMeetings -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Release Notes
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Vinicius Depizzol wrote: > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 18:53, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: >> >> My main objection would be translation. One of the problems is that I would >> like to see our content/news/release notes translated so that we can have >> greater coverage. I feel that english makes us somewhat limited. > > We can have WordPress content translated and integrated with > damned-lies with the plugin I developed during the last Summer of > Code[1]. I'm in contact with Claude Paroz (damned-lies maintainer) and > Andrea Veri (sysadmin) to get a testing version of it running ASAP. > > [1] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-web-wppo We're pretty much out of time for this. We should really have a draft of the release notes finished already. I'm busy working on them using the existing infrastructure. It will be great to have gnome.org translatable anyway, of course, and I really hope that we can use the site for the 3.6 release notes. Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Release Notes
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: >> >> >> I was thinking of switching from Docbook to Mallard for 3.6 (I didn't >> have time to prepare this for 3.4 already). >> The advantages of "GNOME 3 page style" are unclear to me currently, Advantages of moving over to using Wordpress for the release notes (that I can think of): 1. The notes will be on gnome.org rather than under library.gnome.org/misc (why are the notes for our new release in a 'library'? why are they 'miscellaneous'?) 2. Avoid the bookishness of the format (sub-headings everywhere, boxes of links interrupting the flow of the document), which is rather stilted. 3. Allow embedding of richer media, such as lightboxes, image galleries and videos. 4. Allow flexible design, facilitating a more stylish and attractive layout. 5. Allow division of the notes into separate pages, rather than being a single *huge* page. >> however I would first have to know what markup language this move would >> imply, Wordpress reduces the need for markup. The only markup you need is html for formatting and embedding media, plus for bits of fancier page layout. >> plus if anybody would be actually willing to prepare this move. Actually writing the notes and doing the markup would be less work than with Docbook or Mallard, so in that respect we'd save time and effort. However, we would need a bit of extra help on the web development side if we wanted to make the notes look really nice. > I'm interested in this as well. As Shaun noted about translations I would > like to see this translated in as many languages as possible. > > We'll need to start on this soon. Most of the pieces are in place to make gnome.org translatable using the standard GNOME infrastructure. We just need to hook it up to damn lies [1]. I've spoken to Vinicius and he's confident that we can have it ready in time to get the release notes translated. Allan [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671647 -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Release Notes
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 09:59 +0000, Allan Day wrote: >> We might struggle to do it for this release, but having a separate >> press release and some kind of release notes for the release candidate >> could be a good way to get the word out. > > Release Candidate = two weeks before the release. Oh? The schedule [1] says it's one week before the release. > String freeze is three weeks before the release and we are always late > starting with writing release notes and finding volunteers so rather > unlikely. It was just an idea. But I don't see why we couldn't aim to have *something* (it doesn't have to be the full, finished release notes) ready a week in advance. Allan [1] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointThree -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
