introduction
Hi everyone, I'm Sanne te Meerman, I'm currently organising Guadec 2010 with Koen Martens and others from Holland. I focus on: -Connecting Gnome and the surrounding ICT companies with National Government and the future plans for an Free/Open Source desktop that is being discussed intensively. -Connecting Gnome and the surrounding ICT companies with Dutch education institution, for the benefit of the community, companies and of course eductional content regarding Free/OSS. I've heard about the marketing hackfest yesterday on a conference call and decided to join this mailinglist. Any input is welcome. When I have specific questions, I hope I can post them here. kind regards, Sanne te Meerman www.opensourceadvies.nl -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Braille printing for conferences - connection with Guadec?
I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being off-topic, I've made a subthread. I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation. I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on accessibility and usability can draw attention for several reasons, in my opinion: -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important. Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with policymakers (more than technique) -Government is more inclined to have attention to these subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention and pressure to these issues. -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people. The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to more traditional ICT companies in this niche market. It might be good to have some sessions about usability and accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and targeting the government market, that someone can point me to. That would be helpful. thank you, Sanne te Meerman Brian Cameron schreef: Willie/Dave: It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would be nice to highlight something about the GNOME accessibility community. Perhaps something about the fact that a number of people with disabilities participate in development and in user forums. I think the promise of joining a community of people working to address accessibility usability issues is attractive to highlight. If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree. Brian Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised hardware to interact with applications" portion seems odd to me. In GNOME, we have a core value that people with disabilities have free compelling access to the graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by built-in assistive technologies including a screen reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", GNOME not only has free compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by people with disabilities" to the first sentence): In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is a core value that touches all aspects of the system. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead the industry in accessible design. From the infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to the assistive technologies, accessibility has been a central consideration from the very early days. As a result, GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. Will On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Shorter would be better, I think. How about this (pure edit, no additions): In GNOME, making sure that people with disabilities can use our software is a core value. From infrastructure allowing our built-in screen reader or specialised hardware to interact with applications to utilities to make it easier for people with motor problems to interact with a computer, accessibility in GNOME is built-in, not bolted on. As a result GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, it also provides a rich foundation for the future. How does that read? Covers all the bases, I think - a11y is a core value, what does accessibility mean, and how do we make things easier for people with disabilities. Maybe needs a quick fact check on the second sentence (it is at-spi that lets Orca do its thang, isn't it?) Cheers, Dave. Willie Walker wrote: Here's a bunch of run-ons... :-) In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is a core value that touches all aspects of the system. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead the industry in accessible design. From the accessibility infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to the assistive technologies, accessibility has been a central consideration from the very early days of GNOME. As a result, GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. Today, users have built-in keyboard navigation, highly customizable fonts/colors/icons, keyboard enhancements such as StickyKeys, the MouseTweaks tool that provides mouse clicking features by dwelling, the GOK on screen keyboard that can be driven via dwell clicking and switches, the
Re: Braille printing for conferences - connection with Guadec?
Hi, Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is experienced in this subject? thank you, Sanne te Meerman Guadec organisation Sanne te Meerman schreef: I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being off-topic, I've made a subthread. I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation. I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on accessibility and usability can draw attention for several reasons, in my opinion: -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important. Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with policymakers (more than technique) -Government is more inclined to have attention to these subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention and pressure to these issues. -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people. The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to more traditional ICT companies in this niche market. It might be good to have some sessions about usability and accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and targeting the government market, that someone can point me to. That would be helpful. thank you, Sanne te Meerman Brian Cameron schreef: Willie/Dave: It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would be nice to highlight something about the GNOME accessibility community. Perhaps something about the fact that a number of people with disabilities participate in development and in user forums. I think the promise of joining a community of people working to address accessibility usability issues is attractive to highlight. If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree. Brian Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised hardware to interact with applications" portion seems odd to me. In GNOME, we have a core value that people with disabilities have free compelling access to the graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by built-in assistive technologies including a screen reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", GNOME not only has free compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by people with disabilities" to the first sentence): In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is a core value that touches all aspects of the system. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead the industry in accessible design. From the infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to the assistive technologies, accessibility has been a central consideration from the very early days. As a result, GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. Will On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, Shorter would be better, I think. How about this (pure edit, no additions): In GNOME, making sure that people with disabilities can use our software is a core value. From infrastructure allowing our built-in screen reader or specialised hardware to interact with applications to utilities to make it easier for people with motor problems to interact with a computer, accessibility in GNOME is built-in, not bolted on. As a result GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, it also provides a rich foundation for the future. How does that read? Covers all the bases, I think - a11y is a core value, what does accessibility mean, and how do we make things easier for people with disabilities. Maybe needs a quick fact check on the second sentence (it is at-spi that lets Orca do its thang, isn't it?) Cheers, Dave. Willie Walker wrote: Here's a bunch of run-ons... :-) In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is a core value that touches all aspects of the system. With a model of "built in" versus "bolted on", the GNOME Accessibility project has helped lead the industry in accessible design. From the accessibility infrastructure, to the graphical toolkit, to the applications, to the assistive technologies, accessibility has been a central consideration from the very early days of GNOME. As a result, GNOME not only has compelling accessibility today, but it also provides a rich and stable base for future accessibility work. Today, users have built-in keyboard navi
Gnome/Guadec and Government market
I've made this a new thread.
Thanks Dave,
If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector.
I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for
that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know.
thank you,
Sanne
Hi,
Stormy Peters wrote:
> I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
> think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector
markets in Europe.
Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also,
as government sector users of GNOME.
Chers,
Dave.
Stormy Peters schreef:
I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
Stormy
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman
mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote:
Hi,
Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about
Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is
experienced in this subject?
thank you,
Sanne te Meerman
Guadec organisation
Sanne te Meerman schreef:
I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being
off-topic, I've made a subthread.
I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation.
I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec
(I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on
accessibility and usability can draw attention for several
reasons, in my opinion:
-attention on policy issues instead of technique is important.
Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with
policymakers (more than technique)
-Government is more inclined to have attention to these
subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention
and pressure to these issues.
-the bottom-up development of open source might be the best
way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people.
The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to
more traditional ICT companies in this niche market.
It might be good to have some sessions about usability and
accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other
suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and
targeting the government market, that someone can point me to.
That would be helpful.
thank you,
Sanne te Meerman
Brian Cameron schreef:
Willie/Dave:
It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of
accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would
be nice to
highlight something about the GNOME accessibility
community. Perhaps
something about the fact that a number of people with
disabilities
participate in development and in user forums. I think
the promise of
joining a community of people working to address
accessibility usability
issues is attractive to highlight.
If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree.
Brian
Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised
hardware to interact with applications" portion seems
odd to me.
In GNOME, we have a core value that people with
disabilities have free compelling access to the
graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this
with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry
leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by
built-in assistive technologies including a screen
reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard. With a
model of "built in" versus "bolted on", GNOME not
only has free compelling accessibility today, but it
also provides a
rich and stable base for future accessibility work.
or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by
people with disabilities" to the first sentence):
In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is
a core value that touches all aspects of the system.
Gnome/Guadec and Government market
I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre)
Thanks Dave,
If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before
Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies
will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e.
persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these
companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That
would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some
sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector.
I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails
for that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let
me know.
thank you,
Sanne
Hi,
Stormy Peters wrote:
> I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
> think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector
markets in Europe.
Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also,
as government sector users of GNOME.
Chers,
Dave.
Stormy Peters schreef:
I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I
think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne?
Stormy
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman
mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote:
Hi,
Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about
Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is
experienced in this subject?
thank you,
Sanne te Meerman
Guadec organisation
Sanne te Meerman schreef:
I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being
off-topic, I've made a subthread.
I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation.
I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec
(I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on
accessibility and usability can draw attention for several
reasons, in my opinion:
-attention on policy issues instead of technique is important.
Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with
policymakers (more than technique)
-Government is more inclined to have attention to these
subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention
and pressure to these issues.
-the bottom-up development of open source might be the best
way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people.
The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to
more traditional ICT companies in this niche market.
It might be good to have some sessions about usability and
accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other
suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and
targeting the government market, that someone can point me to.
That would be helpful.
thank you,
Sanne te Meerman
Brian Cameron schreef:
Willie/Dave:
It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian
aspects of
accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would
be nice to
highlight something about the GNOME accessibility
community. Perhaps
something about the fact that a number of people with
disabilities
participate in development and in user forums. I think
the promise of
joining a community of people working to address
accessibility usability
issues is attractive to highlight.
If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree.
Brian
Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised
hardware to interact with applications" portion seems
odd to me.
In GNOME, we have a core value that people with
disabilities have free compelling access to the
graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this
with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry
leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by
built-in assistive technologies including a screen
reader, magnifier, and on screen keyboard. With a
model of "built in" versus "bolted on", GNOME not
only has free compelling accessibility today, but it
also provides a
rich and stable base for future accessibility work.
or... (I just took my first stab at this and added "by
people with disabilities" to the first sentence):
In GNOME, accessibility by people with disabilities is
a core value that touches all
Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
Wow, that's really great... the fact that a local organisation gets involved with software development from the bottom up is fantastic, but this is also great for marketing Open Source, a showcase for the added value of open source development. And for Gnome and Guadec this could also be very valuable. Thank you. Javier, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear more. Sanne Willie Walker schreef: Hi: The ONCE organization in Spain does a fair amount with GNOME and GNOME accessibility. I'm CC'ing Javier Martinez on this e-mail -- he's my primary contact with ONCE. Will Sanne te Meerman wrote: I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre) Thanks Dave, If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector. I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know. thank you, Sanne Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: > I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I > think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector markets in Europe. Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also, as government sector users of GNOME. Chers, Dave. Stormy Peters schreef: I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? Stormy On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote: Hi, Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is experienced in this subject? thank you, Sanne te Meerman Guadec organisation Sanne te Meerman schreef: I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being off-topic, I've made a subthread. I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation. I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on accessibility and usability can draw attention for several reasons, in my opinion: -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important. Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with policymakers (more than technique) -Government is more inclined to have attention to these subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention and pressure to these issues. -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people. The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to more traditional ICT companies in this niche market. It might be good to have some sessions about usability and accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and targeting the government market, that someone can point me to. That would be helpful. thank you, Sanne te Meerman Brian Cameron schreef: Willie/Dave: It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would be nice to highlight something about the GNOME accessibility community. Perhaps something about the fact that a number of people with disabilities participate in development and in user forums. I think the promise of joining a community of people working to address accessibility usability issues is attractive to highlight. If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree. Brian Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised hardware to interact with applications" portion seems odd to me. In GNOME, we have a core value that people with disabilities have free compelling access to the graphical desktop and web. GNOME accomplishes this with full keyboard access, theming, and an industry leading accessibility infrastructure that is used by
Re: Introductions
Hi, I was triggered by this conversation as I have recently approached several companies to sponsor Guadec. One of the companies that declined, was Cap Gemini and I got some interesting feedback that relates to branding as well. They told me that large system integrators like themselves mostly do support and training on whole distributions like Ubuntu and Suse etc. The marketing challenge with regard to branding would probably be then to associate one brand with another, like Intel has so succesfully done by having the 'Intel'inside ' logo on hardware and having joined TV commercials with software and hardware vendors. Just felt like sharing this. Hope it's useful and hopefully I'll see the 'Gnome inside' logo flickering on my next mobile phone ;-). regards, Sanne, Guadec organisation Nelson Marques schreef: Brian, I can provide some documentation regarding Brand Management if you need. This is actually a complex subject. If you need help I can help with it as well. There's a very good publication from Philip Kotler (currently the top personality in Marketing) named "Brand Management", there is also a chapter in "Marketing Management" (the bible of Marketing) which covers some points. I have a large collection of books which I can share with whoever wants to take a look. Meanwhile I'll just compile some stuff that I have from my university which might be useful. Anything you need, just ask. Nelson. PS: I would assume GNOME is going to be taken as an "Umbrella brand", correct? On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 09:23 -0600, Brian Cameron wrote: Hello, my name is Brian Cameron and there is some information about me here: http://live.gnome.org/BrianCameron I have worked for Sun Microsystems (now becoming Oracle) for over 10 years, over 8 of those years on the GNOME project. I am on the GNOME Foundation board of directors and acting as the secretary. I am really more of a developer than a marketing person, but I have been involved with marketing-related discussions for the past few years, and attended the last Marketing hackfest in Chicago. Any board member often deals with marketing topics and opportunities, and one of the reasons I participate is because I think the GNOME marketing-list is one of the more important GNOME forums for board members to be involved with. I also tend to work closely with the GNOME legal team, and I tend to get involved with marketing issues that involve working with the legal team. For example, one marketing related task I am currently working on with the legal team is to put together more comprehensive trademark agreements so that GNOME is better prepared to license the GNOME brand to organizations who want to sell GNOME branded merchandise. Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Introductions
Hi Nelson, Nelson Marques schreef: Hi Sanne, On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 15:10 +0100, Sanne te Meerman wrote: Hi, I was triggered by this conversation as I have recently approached several companies to sponsor Guadec. One of the companies that declined, was Cap Gemini and I got some interesting feedback that relates to branding as well. They told me that large system integrators like themselves mostly do support and training on whole distributions like Ubuntu and Suse etc. That doesn't surprise me at all. Remember that when you approach a company to sponsor an event, for them there should be a business possibility implied. It's distro's that give them money, not normal software packages. No business possibility, not worth investing. I understand that of course. And it might not be very surprising that they don't sponsor, but I felt challenged to think of ways to get their attention. If they're into training and system integration, there can be possibilities for them as well, like approaching hardware vendors to help them use Gnome in their products, or maybe even user training. Which doesn't mean that other companies in the same marker segment can have opposite positions. In this cases, it would be advisable to launch the same challenge to all, and make sure they know that their competitors might be present there. Yes, good one. I'm no marketeer, but the creation of a 'Buzz' and the fact that companies, people and instittions are watching each other has to be used well, true. Having said that, we are looking out for the work of the volunteers who are helping Koen and me to improve the Guadec website as fast as possible, as the website is such a crucial means to create 'the buzz'. So... any advice on how to make them forget about their wifes and loved-ones, to start building the site, are welcome! :-) The marketing challenge with regard to branding would probably be then to associate one brand with another, like Intel has so succesfully done by having the 'Intel'inside ' logo on hardware and having joined TV commercials with software and hardware vendors. The marketing challenge with branding in my opinion is somewhere else, a set of values that our brand should imply. My laptop has "ATI Premium Graphics" sticker. I chosed ATI because it's GPU didnt went above 60C under heavy load, because I do give importance to thermal designs. The reason that make me go this way was because my previous laptop had one of those wicked G86 based nvidia cards operating the GPU at 81C in idle. I won't ever buy nvidia. Consumer choice. Regarding the brands again, we don't need stickers. Our product, GNOME is distributed in digital format, therefore most of our marketing should around digital formats. We should associate the brand GNOME to brands who distribute us, who support us and who share the same ideals behind GNOME. It's more of a ideological set of ideas you want people to recognize about you. Both the values of Quality and Ideology are what interests you and are also what you think the brand should project. Your decision to go with ATI might sound obvious to you, but I have my doubts if there are a lot of people who have such a well thought out judgement as you do (even if it could help them avoid burning their fingers haha). FLOSS people seem to be a well informed bunch in general, that might not be as sensitive to 'the Buzz'. As Gnome is moving out of this subculture and into the mainstream, the amount of people considering the ideology will hopefully remain something closely associated with Gnome and other Free software. But IMHO the thing that might probably help move Gnome more into the a mainstream market might probably be: great software with great functionality that looks great and is also easy and great to use. Just felt like sharing this. Hope it's useful and hopefully I'll see the 'Gnome inside' logo flickering on my next mobile phone ;-). regards, Sanne, Guadec organisation You touched a sensible thing. If we look into the market, as Brian said in another thread, the industry is changing quickly. We're going into the netbook/tablet æeon (era), for reference, see the efforts being made by Ubuntu on this field. Their option to replace openoffice with googledocs... the reaction of the community... They went back on that one, but still, from a marketing point of view, such replacement would please either netbook vendor (indirectly association with google) and possibly breaking grounds amongst users. just some thoughts, great to think about things like this, thanks. About Guadec, I will definitely forward your suggestions to Stormy, as she's doing most of the contacts with companies on behalf of Gnome. Vodafone and BenQ might be really excellent suggestions, and with Nokia on board, they c
Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Hi, I've made a post before where I addressed the Dutch' government plans for OSS in their desktop. As Guadec will be in holland this year, the organisation is aiming to have one or a view sessions about OSS in public intstitutions. The government just released a consultation asking for feedback about their plans. The document and interaction with government could provide several opportunities: -It could give vital information about preconditions to target government markets. -Gnome could give an official reaction to them (before the end of march) or later in a technical magazine or webzine to praise the merits of the plans and criticize weaknesses, and showing themselves as a serious contender. -Could provide an opportunity for exposure as a lot of magazines might be interested in Gnome's thoughts about this. -resulting in Buzz, exposure, increased opportunities for Guadec fundraising, etc. etc. You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf regards, Sanne -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
I'll have my men working on this, on the double!! :-) Ok, I didn't phrase that very well. What I meant was, if there's enough enthousiasm, I'm sure a volunteer can be found for this :-) I'll put my two cents in tomorrow, to sketch the outline. best, Sanne Btw, I made a 'tiny' mistake, as an official response to the document should be given before the 1st of march, not before the end of march. Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier schreef: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Sanne te Meerman wrote: You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf Yes, please do have it translated! :-) Best, Joe -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Stormy Peters schreef: Hi Sanne, I think that's a great idea. If at all possible, we should reply back with comment within the comment period. Ok, bear in mind though that it's the 1st of march, not the end of March. Sorry, my mistake. Then I think there are many technical publications/magazines that we could work with to publish a public response. Marketing Team, who should work on the response? I can translate interesting parts tomorrow, and give my thoughts on what I personally would think is important in a response. But especially about the technical merits of i.e. Kerberos, LDAP that they're planning to use, I don't have anything wise to say (or anything to say at all). I'm also not very experienced with these type of press releases so anyone with experience would be very welcome to help out. best, Sanne Stormy On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Sanne te Meerman mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote: Hi, I've made a post before where I addressed the Dutch' government plans for OSS in their desktop. As Guadec will be in holland this year, the organisation is aiming to have one or a view sessions about OSS in public intstitutions. The government just released a consultation asking for feedback about their plans. The document and interaction with government could provide several opportunities: -It could give vital information about preconditions to target government markets. -Gnome could give an official reaction to them (before the end of march) or later in a technical magazine or webzine to praise the merits of the plans and criticize weaknesses, and showing themselves as a serious contender. -Could provide an opportunity for exposure as a lot of magazines might be interested in Gnome's thoughts about this. -resulting in Buzz, exposure, increased opportunities for Guadec fundraising, etc. etc. You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf regards, Sanne -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org <mailto:marketing-list@gnome.org> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Yes, great. When I first joined this list, I also saw post from you and others about this. I think the fact that Gnome's active in this area can really do good in publicity as well. (Appart from the fact that it's supergreat in itself of course :-) ) Brian Cameron schreef: Sanne: One thing that I notice is that your document makes no mention of accessibility. Many governments are interested in supporting workers, citizens and students who are disabled. GNOME provides, at no cost, a wide range of accessibility support for users who are blind, have vision problems, and have mobility impairments. No other free desktop yet provides the support that GNOME provides at no cost. Note that proprietary solutions for the disabled can be very expensive. To make a computer using a proprietary operating system support the same degree of accessibility support that is provided at no charge with GNOME, it is often necessary to spend thousands of dollars purchasing additional software needed to provide this sort of functionality. I would think this would be of interest to any government. Brian I've made a post before where I addressed the Dutch' government plans for OSS in their desktop. As Guadec will be in holland this year, the organisation is aiming to have one or a view sessions about OSS in public intstitutions. The government just released a consultation asking for feedback about their plans. The document and interaction with government could provide several opportunities: -It could give vital information about preconditions to target government markets. -Gnome could give an official reaction to them (before the end of march) or later in a technical magazine or webzine to praise the merits of the plans and criticize weaknesses, and showing themselves as a serious contender. -Could provide an opportunity for exposure as a lot of magazines might be interested in Gnome's thoughts about this. -resulting in Buzz, exposure, increased opportunities for Guadec fundraising, etc. etc. You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf regards, Sanne -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Hi, I've gimped a littlebit with a picture of the outline of the DWR plans. Please bear in mind that although the document was in itself not intended to be private, this is my personal translation, quick & dirty, unofficial, and it might cause problems if it's published. For use only within Gnome! I've send this message with attachment, but was blocked. So here's the link: http://www.opensourceadvies.nl/DWRpicture.pdf I've translated only the very cryptical stuff. The rest should be understandable. Suggestions from my part for the content of a possible press-release would be: -praise the dutch government for their consulation of the the community and involving them like this. Make it positive so the publicity is good for them too. As far as I know it's pretty unique, but I'm not sure. Anyone knows of similar public consultations? -point out possible dangers too, and things like the opportunity to focus more on usability issues like Brian suggested. -Express that we're looking forward to Guadec and might 'shape an opportunity' to meet government officials before or during the conference to discuss opportunities etc. if possible using words that emphasise that a possible session before the conference is an option with their 'involvement' (financially as well). regards, Sanne ps. just some suggestions from the top of my head. As I said,I'm not particularly experienced in this area and the involvement from those who are would be great. ps. about the mailinglist: you probably know best which team could pick this up best. Stormy Peters schreef: On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Sanne te Meerman mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote: Marketing Team, who should work on the response? I can translate interesting parts tomorrow, and give my thoughts on what I personally would think is important in a response. But especially about the technical merits of i.e. Kerberos, LDAP that they're planning to use, I don't have anything wise to say (or anything to say at all). I'm also not very experienced with these type of press releases so anyone with experience would be very welcome to help out. I don't think I'm the best person either. Perhaps we should reach out to a different team? The release team? The desktop mailing list? Stormy -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
Hi Willie, Besides a practical comment from Andre Klapper, you were the only one who responded to my request for a talk about accessibility. I've tried to contact Javier Martinez, but so far I have not received a reply. Could you connect us? I'm still very much interested. Thanks, Sanne Sanne te Meerman schreef: Wow, that's really great... the fact that a local organisation gets involved with software development from the bottom up is fantastic, but this is also great for marketing Open Source, a showcase for the added value of open source development. And for Gnome and Guadec this could also be very valuable. Thank you. Javier, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear more. Sanne Willie Walker schreef: Hi: The ONCE organization in Spain does a fair amount with GNOME and GNOME accessibility. I'm CC'ing Javier Martinez on this e-mail -- he's my primary contact with ONCE. Will Sanne te Meerman wrote: I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre) Thanks Dave, If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector. I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know. thank you, Sanne Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: > I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I > think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector markets in Europe. Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also, as government sector users of GNOME. Chers, Dave. Stormy Peters schreef: I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? Stormy On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote: Hi, Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is experienced in this subject? thank you, Sanne te Meerman Guadec organisation Sanne te Meerman schreef: I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being off-topic, I've made a subthread. I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation. I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on accessibility and usability can draw attention for several reasons, in my opinion: -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important. Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with policymakers (more than technique) -Government is more inclined to have attention to these subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention and pressure to these issues. -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people. The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to more traditional ICT companies in this niche market. It might be good to have some sessions about usability and accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and targeting the government market, that someone can point me to. That would be helpful. thank you, Sanne te Meerman Brian Cameron schreef: Willie/Dave: It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would be nice to highlight something about the GNOME accessibility community. Perhaps something about the fact that a number of people with disabilities participate in development and in user forums. I think the promise of joining a community of people working to address accessibility usability issues is attractive to highlight. If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree. Brian Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised hardware to interact with applications" portion seems odd to me.
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Hi Brian, We've had contact briefly about usabillity. I agree with you that this is something that would be of interest for any government, and I want to have a talk about this in the pre-conference. Can you help me getting the GNOME people who are knowledgable about this to prepare something for the pre-conference? That would be really great. I've also had contact with your Colleague Willie Walker (who pointed me to Javier Martinez) about this. I'm hoping I can get someone from ONCE to talk about this as well. best, Sanne dutch team GUADEC 2010 Brian Cameron schreef: Sanne: One thing that I notice is that your document makes no mention of accessibility. Many governments are interested in supporting workers, citizens and students who are disabled. GNOME provides, at no cost, a wide range of accessibility support for users who are blind, have vision problems, and have mobility impairments. No other free desktop yet provides the support that GNOME provides at no cost. Note that proprietary solutions for the disabled can be very expensive. To make a computer using a proprietary operating system support the same degree of accessibility support that is provided at no charge with GNOME, it is often necessary to spend thousands of dollars purchasing additional software needed to provide this sort of functionality. I would think this would be of interest to any government. Brian I've made a post before where I addressed the Dutch' government plans for OSS in their desktop. As Guadec will be in holland this year, the organisation is aiming to have one or a view sessions about OSS in public intstitutions. The government just released a consultation asking for feedback about their plans. The document and interaction with government could provide several opportunities: -It could give vital information about preconditions to target government markets. -Gnome could give an official reaction to them (before the end of march) or later in a technical magazine or webzine to praise the merits of the plans and criticize weaknesses, and showing themselves as a serious contender. -Could provide an opportunity for exposure as a lot of magazines might be interested in Gnome's thoughts about this. -resulting in Buzz, exposure, increased opportunities for Guadec fundraising, etc. etc. You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf regards, Sanne -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Guadec and Dutch government plans for OSS and desktop
Hi Brian, We've had contact briefly about usabillity. I agree with you that this is something that would be of interest for any government, and I want to have a talk about this in the pre-conference. Can you help me getting the GNOME people who are knowledgable about this to prepare something for the pre-conference? That would be really great. I've also had contact with your Colleague Willie Walker (who pointed me to Javier Martinez) about this. I'm hoping I can get someone from ONCE to talk about this as well. best, Sanne dutch team GUADEC 2010 (resend this mail to different addresses from Brian and Willie). Brian Cameron schreef: Sanne: One thing that I notice is that your document makes no mention of accessibility. Many governments are interested in supporting workers, citizens and students who are disabled. GNOME provides, at no cost, a wide range of accessibility support for users who are blind, have vision problems, and have mobility impairments. No other free desktop yet provides the support that GNOME provides at no cost. Note that proprietary solutions for the disabled can be very expensive. To make a computer using a proprietary operating system support the same degree of accessibility support that is provided at no charge with GNOME, it is often necessary to spend thousands of dollars purchasing additional software needed to provide this sort of functionality. I would think this would be of interest to any government. Brian I've made a post before where I addressed the Dutch' government plans for OSS in their desktop. As Guadec will be in holland this year, the organisation is aiming to have one or a view sessions about OSS in public intstitutions. The government just released a consultation asking for feedback about their plans. The document and interaction with government could provide several opportunities: -It could give vital information about preconditions to target government markets. -Gnome could give an official reaction to them (before the end of march) or later in a technical magazine or webzine to praise the merits of the plans and criticize weaknesses, and showing themselves as a serious contender. -Could provide an opportunity for exposure as a lot of magazines might be interested in Gnome's thoughts about this. -resulting in Buzz, exposure, increased opportunities for Guadec fundraising, etc. etc. You decide, here it is. It's in dutch. If you think this could be interesting, let me know, so we might have someone translate it. http://wiki.noiv.nl/xwiki/bin/download/OpenDWR/WebHome/RealisatielijnOpenDWRv0.93februari.pdf regards, Sanne -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
Hi Willie, Besides a practical comment from Andre Klapper, you were the only one who responded to my request for a talk about accessibility. I've tried to contact Javier Martinez, but so far I have not received a reply. Could you connect us? I'm still very much interested. Thanks, Sanne Sanne te Meerman schreef: Wow, that's really great... the fact that a local organisation gets involved with software development from the bottom up is fantastic, but this is also great for marketing Open Source, a showcase for the added value of open source development. And for Gnome and Guadec this could also be very valuable. Thank you. Javier, if you're reading this, I'd love to hear more. Sanne Willie Walker schreef: Hi: The ONCE organization in Spain does a fair amount with GNOME and GNOME accessibility. I'm CC'ing Javier Martinez on this e-mail -- he's my primary contact with ONCE. Will Sanne te Meerman wrote: I've made this a new thread. (this time really, sorry Andre) Thanks Dave, If these companies could connect with the public sector during or before Guadec, the involvement of public sector and the mentioned companies will be more attractive for both. Do you have names/ emails of i.e. persons responsible for marketing open source related products at these companies? Or maybe someone from Novell/RH/Mandriva is listening? That would be a good start. Their participation in shaping a meeting of some sort would give me something to 'brag about' at public sector. I've had some contacts in spain in the past, I'll look through my emails for that. Again, if someone from Extremadura is involved with Gnome, let me know. thank you, Sanne Hi, Stormy Peters wrote: > I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I > think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? I believe that Novell, Red Hat and Mandriva all target public sector markets in Europe. Perhaps Extremadura and Andalucia would be good contacts for Sanne also, as government sector users of GNOME. Chers, Dave. Stormy Peters schreef: I don't think there is anyone currently targeting governments but I think we need to do this. Anybody willing to help Sanne? Stormy On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Sanne te Meerman mailto:sa...@opensourceadvies.nl>> wrote: Hi, Repeated request: is there some information I'm unaware of about Gnome and targeting the government market? Or anyone who is experienced in this subject? thank you, Sanne te Meerman Guadec organisation Sanne te Meerman schreef: I've just subscibed to this mailinglist, so to avoid being off-topic, I've made a subthread. I was immediately triggered by this subject and conversation. I am trying to involve Dutch national governemnt with Guadec (I'm part of the dutch team of organisers). Focus on accessibility and usability can draw attention for several reasons, in my opinion: -attention on policy issues instead of technique is important. Accessibility and usability are issues that ring with policymakers (more than technique) -Government is more inclined to have attention to these subjects than i.e. companies because of political attention and pressure to these issues. -the bottom-up development of open source might be the best way to connect with the personal itches of disabled people. The industry involved therefore might have an advantage to more traditional ICT companies in this niche market. It might be good to have some sessions about usability and accesebility during Guadec. I will propose that. Any other suggestions? Maybe there is some documentation about Gnome and targeting the government market, that someone can point me to. That would be helpful. thank you, Sanne te Meerman Brian Cameron schreef: Willie/Dave: It might also be nice to highlight the humanitarian aspects of accessibility a bit more. For example, I think it would be nice to highlight something about the GNOME accessibility community. Perhaps something about the fact that a number of people with disabilities participate in development and in user forums. I think the promise of joining a community of people working to address accessibility usability issues is attractive to highlight. If that wouldn't make it too long, and you agree. Brian Thanks Dave! Something about the "specialised hardware to interact with applications" portion seems odd to me.
Re: Gnome/Guadec and Government market
Or We could see if there is someone willing to organise an IDABC summit at GUADEC, and let them take care of it? Good idea. I've put Ismael Olea in the googledoc, any news from him yet? If there is, let me know, or put info in the doc I've shared with you. Cheers, Dave. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
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Hi Stormy,
I think I haven't replied yet but it sounds like a good idea to take
the a11y proposals into consideration for the pre-conference.
Papers-team, what do you think? Sense, or Crhistophe, can you grant me
the rights to see the proposals?
best,
Sanne
Stormy Peters schreef:
Perhaps we could give all the core day a11y proposals to Sanne and he
can approach them for the government summit as well.
Stormy
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Dave Neary <mailto:dne...@gnome.org>> wrote:
Hi,
Reinout van Schouwen wrote:
> Op dinsdag 30-03-2010 om 16:11 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef
Sanne te
> Meerman:
>> Besides a practical comment from Andre Klapper, you were the
only one
>> who responded to my request for a talk about accessibility.
I've tried
>
> Really? I think something must be wrong.
> Eitan Isaacson said to me he submitted a paper about accessibility:
> http://monotonous.org/2010/03/23/accessibility-hackday/#comments
There are several things getting conflated - Sanne is talking about an
accessibility talk for the government summit he's been trying to put
together. Eitan submitted a presentation proposal for the core days,
which will be evaluated by the program committee.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: Traineeships at GNOME
Hi Jaap, Sounds like a good idea. I hope you can use GUADEC for this, as it seems now there will be a short session about education during the pre-conference. If you could organise something that could attract students to this, that would be great. During the pre-conference (Open Desktop Day - see http://www.guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/overview#open-desktop-day ). There will also be attention for the role of education. Your presence would be great, and if you have ideas about the strengthening the relations between education-community-business, that 'd be very interesting. Best, Sanne (GUADEC organisation team-NL). + 31 6 14829390 Jaap A. Haitsma schreef: Hi, In the Netherlands it's normal that computer science students need to do 6 month traineeship at a company working on a certain project. Outside the Google SOC program I've never really noticed (but I might have missed it) trainees working on GNOME. I thought it might be an idea to have a traineeships page at gnome.org where companies can propose possible traineeships. With the trainees we can get some love back that Bastien is missing [1]. Actually his email triggered this one. Has it ever been tried in the past to promote traineeships for GNOME outside of the SOC scope? Another related idea is to have a jobs page where companies can post GNOME related job ads. We could even opt to ask some donation for placing the ad ($100 ?). Or we could make it a perk for corporate sponsors of GNOME. If they pay x a year they get the job ads for free. What are your thoughts about this? Regards, Jaap [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2010-May/msg00039.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
