Re: Showing off the N800 on the gnome.org frontpage?
Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I am for this because I think it shows that there is a burgeoning market for GNOME technology and I think showing that will attract more developers and more companies and hopefully more users. So yeah, let's do it. However, it would be nice to say something about embedded market or something like that. Agreed. We should do more to promote the fact GNOME Technologies are getting used quite a bit in embedded devices. We probably ought to get permission from Nokia before displaying their logo on the gnome.org front page though. Regards, Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: gnome tour mockup
Panos Laganakos wrote: Hello. I started working on the artwork for the Take the Tour section, since Quim started threatening my family... Thing is, I was side-tracked, since I got a pretty sleek idea. Below the text of: http://gnome.jardigrec.eu/en/take-the-tour/take-the-tour/ put a AJAX based section that makes the tour more fun/fancy. It will totally rock in my opinion. As long as it still works for browsers without Javascript. ;-) So, here are some *very* early mockups, I'm still thinking about how it should look an act. http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/gnome-tour-01.png http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/gnome-tour-02.png Looks great - I think this kind of overview is just what we need. The 02 version also has a sorta featured app section, where in each step of the take the tour ride, will change etc. Definitely a good idea to add examples and screenshots to help annotate the text. Keep up the good work! -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Updated Why choose GNOME leaflet
Andreas and I have been working on improving the Why choose GNOME leaflet for the upcoming LinuxWorld Expo in London, UK. So far, we have come up with the following draft: http://ramnet.se/~nisse/diverse/temp/whygnome.pdf. We're now looking for comments on the text to make it more fun and interesting. It's probably worth noting the prospective audience will probably be IT managers and small developers. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: XHTML 1.1 or 1.0?]
Joachim Noreiko wrote: [...] Can we get an idea of what proportion of visitors to wgo use IE, perhaps from server logs? It might be fair to suppose that most of our audience already use a free browser even if they are on windows, but then this would exclude people who might happen to want to access the site from work, a library, a web cafe, etc. http://www.gnome.org/stats/usage_200609.html Looks like MSIE 6 on Windows XP was the most popular browser last month. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2.16 splash
On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:50:50 +0200, Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I thought it had been already uploaded. Can someone update http://www.gnome.org/img/flash/two-sixteen.png with http://panos.solhost.org/mockups/gnome-banner-07f.png , please? Done. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Experiences with these CMSs
Quim Gil wrote: El dt 25 de 07 del 2006 a les 11:27 +0100, en/na Thomas Wood va escriure: I still don't think we should rule out a good build system that creates static pages. As Greg requests, can the people in favor of keeping the current system make an evaluation of the requirements, as we are doing with the new CMS candidates? http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CmsRequirements About the current system, I'm specially concerned about: * a comfortable framework for editing content (commits are showstoppers) Agreed - committing to cvs/svn requires a certain amount of technical knowledge. However, it does have the advantage that our translators are already fully equipped to use it. * full text search (we would need a tool for that) I'm sure there are lots of tools we could use for this. This is actually the only area I can see where we need true dynamic content. Also about * shall provide feeds (RSS, Atom, etc) If we have a good enough build system, then it could be rebuilt every hour or so (e.g. like how planet works). and the goals * Own channel for publishing the official news of the GNOME project * Single gateway to all the news sources provided by the GNOME subsites Perhaps we could have all the news related stuff under news.gnome.org, manage them through a CMS fully equipped with feeds features, tags and all the marvel dynamic pages can offer to news related sites (i18n here wouldn't be a problem since news are a one-shot work easy to track, with no further editing/updating) Is this not what gnomedesktop.org is currently doing anyway? I wasn't aware we were including a replacement in our revamp plans. My last but not least concern is the homepage, that shouldn't be static. Au contraire, it should reflect everyday all the activity and life generated in the GNOME project. But static PHP (or something) managed with the current system could provide a vivid homepage operating with the dynamic data spread through the GNOME subsites, isn't it. I agree that the home page shouldn't become stagnent, but having a build system to generate the website doesn't mean it has to. See above about planet and re-building at predefined intervals. Perhaps the core reason why I think the current system is not enough is the possibility of having a 'myGNOME' alike experience being a registered user and getting the information and services tailored to my interests. Olav, Anne, Journalist A, user B, ISD C etc would get different homepages and perhaps also different wgo structure. But well, none of this belongs to the current release goals and they are not even agreed goals at all. I don't want to introduce red herrings, nor I want to stop thinking in the big picture. To be honest, I hate having to log in to access features of a website. What sort of different home pages do you have in mind? I can't think of any useful use case for it at the moment. I hope my obsession for migrating to a good CMS is more understandable now. However, I realize the current system evolved could be a reasonably good choice for the strict wgo if we solve the content edition problem. IMO this is more important than the i18n problem, since there is no point having a good solution for translating if you don't have a good solution for publishing first. Well, I hope I have an obsession for a good CMS too! A proper build system (not like the current one) could provide a good CMS. I just want to make sure we explore all possible avenues. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: cms performance
Gergely Nagy wrote: It just occurred to me, we have to consider CMS performance. Are there numbers how many hits we get on wgo? Perhaps we need some caching requirements for the dynamically served pages? This is yet another reason I don't want people to rule out a build system. guadec.org is horribly slow for me (it feels like I'm back on 56k dial-up sometimes). I don't know whether this has to do with Drupal, or the fact that it is image heavy (or both). -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Map of gnome.org content
Here is a draft map of the current wgo structure: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/CurrentWgoStructure It was generated by running `tree -L 3 -d -I CVS` over the gnomeweb-wml module. I will try to create a new version over the actual website directory as soon as gnomeweb-wml is actually buildable again (perhaps someone could fix that too?). This should give some indication about what content we currently have, and shed light on some lesser known locations. Obviously, the projects directory is likely to be moved out of the tree during this revamp, but I have left it in this structure so that people can see the sheer volume of content it contains. I will talk to the sysadmins to see if they have anything to advise on moving the projects directory out of gnomeweb-wml. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: *.gnome.org partitioning draft
Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Calum Benson Of course, nautilus is a particularly troublesome case anyway, because many users will potentially never know that their file manager is called 'nautilus' at all. So perhaps we'd need to set up something like gnome.org/filemanager as well... Dodge the bullet entirely. Nautilus doesn't need an end-user facing page like f-spot would. Nautilus is a function of the desktop experience, so would be documented/demonstrated for end users there - but there would *definitely* be a developer-facing page for Nautilus somewhere in our site. (This is one of the reasons I was encouraging Quim to delve a little further into this before making a decision - I'll have to respond to him in the top level of this thread to make that message clear, though.) Nautilus is a very important part of the desktop (even if users don't know what it's name is, but I don't think that matters). It has some interesting features that users would be interested in. Apple has a page devoted to the Finder, which is somewhat along the lines of what I had in mind: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/finder/. It's not a project page, but rather an information and cool features page. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: wgo url policy
Dave Neary wrote: [...] - I suggest no extensions to file names, this way resources can act as containers for example: www.gnome.org/start and www.gnome.org/start/2.14 instead of www.gnome.org/start.html and www.gnome.org/start/2.14 I don't think this is really an issue. Direct linking to a html page is common, having one directory per page (which is what would result) is unwieldy, and (as you point out) .odf, .pdf, .jpg, etc - files have extensions, those extensions convey some information. I don't think we need a policy for this. ***Jakob Nielsen http://www.useit.com/jakob/ wrote an interesting article on this subject* http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990321.html. There is also an informative article here http://www.isoc.org/HMP/PAPER/016/html/paper.html. Intriguingly however, both these urls contradict their articles advice! I would be in favour of keeping urls as simple as possible, and removing unnecessary information on page urls, such as .html or .php. N.B. I'm not advocating taking off the the extensions for .jpg files - I can't think of a use case where we would ever want to point a visitor at a .jpg file. We have utilities like modrewrite, so we don't need to create a directory for each page. art.gnome.org actually has two files called /backgrounds and /themes that deal with all the requests from urls such as /themes/icon/1234 (and I've even considered adding the ability for /themes/icon/gartoon). -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: *.gnome.org partitioning draft
Calum Benson wrote: On 20 Jul 2006, at 07:59, Quim Gil wrote: Ok, then we would have www.gnome.org/projects/* pages which would be feature pages from projects, probably elaborated by the marketing team, while the project pages themselves would fall out of our responsibility and would be placed under projects.gnome.org/* Since we don't have project feature pages, all the current projects should be under projects.gnome.org/* , we need to decide which feature pages we want to have for the current release under www.gnome.org/projects/*, and do them. Is there really any need for the intermediate projects level in the URL, btw? I always find it unbelievably convenient that the home page for every major Apple application is just http://www.apple.com/ appname, for example. I would tend to agree here. I think it is important we have a number of gnome.org branded home pages for the key applications within the desktop, like apple.com does. For example, and introductory page for nautilus might be at www.gnome.org/nautilus or www.gnome.org/projects/nautilus. This would serve as both informative and marketing to new users. Whenever I see projects.gnome.org it makes me think of a sourceforge type site the provides hosting and other services. Do we really want to be a hosting service for some (but not all) gnome related projects? Even sourceforge does not have directory level urls for each project. Instead, each project gets it's own sub-domain. If we went ahead with just moving gnome.org/projects to projects.gnome.org, I don't think we would be solving any problems. The only problem with /projects at the moment is that it frequently causes problems with the website build. We could solve this by moving it out into separate module(s). The only other problem is that the sites don't follow the www.gnome.org design, but I think this is outside the scope of the main www.gnome.org revamp (we need to concentrate on our content, not other people's). I hadn't prepared a partitioning draft yet, partly because I hadn't been aware my name was next to the task, but also because I can not see many reasons for changing most of the current arrangement. The only changes I would make would be to either update or remove developer.gnome.org, and move some of the more anomalous sub-domains to other places (e.g. glade.gnome.org moves to www.gnome.org/projects/glade). So, let's focus on sorting out our own content before we start moving other things around. We will have to provide legacy links anyway, so there seems little point in moving something unless we are absolutely in agreement it's what we want to do. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME motto brainstorming
Quim Gil wrote: Throw your ideas in this thread. walk ahead (we shouldn't forget we have already a lovely and successful foot we all love) I liked the strap line that is on the t-shirts: GNOME - The Global Desktop We should make more use of this if we can. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LinuxWorld 2005 London
quote who=Thomas Wood LinuxWorld Expo in London is in a couple of days, and things are in place for an excellent GNOME stand this year. In addition to the normal marketing, I was wondering if the marketing team had any specific requests for things we could be doing, like questions to ask users, or data to collect that might be useful. Basically, is there anything else we could do over the period of the expo that would be of use to the marketing team? Suggestion: Get a GNOME LiveCD image on the Freedom Toaster that the Ubuntu folks will be hosting. Talk to Scott James Remnant, Cced. Nice idea - we have 100 LiveCDs already printed to hand out, but if we run out I could give them a shout? -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: LinuxWorld Expo 2005 .Org Village London
Since there has been no response to this I presume there is no interest in organising a GNOME stand for the LinuxWorld Expo in London this year. If anyone is interested in helping out and is available on either October the 5th or 6th (or both) then please reply as soon as possible so we can let the organiser know we will be able to host a stand. -Thomas Thomas Wood wrote: The call for participents in the .org village at LinuxWorld London has come round again for this year. GNOME has been represented by myself and a few others for the past two years, with a varying amount of interest. If anyone is interested in helping out at this years expo, please let me know so we can get organised. The dates are October 5th to 6th 2005. To help the effectiveness of a stand, there are a couple of things I would like to discuss: - What is the purpose of a gnome.org stand at a linux expo? - What are we trying to achieve, what should we focus on telling people? - Who should be there? - How can we get people involved and interested in GNOME? With the increasing corporate involvement in GNOME, I think it's important to be able to reiterate why people should be interested in GNOME itself, rather than just the companies developing it, or the distributions using it. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
LinuxWorld Expo 2005 .Org Village London
The call for participents in the .org village at LinuxWorld London has come round again for this year. GNOME has been represented by myself and a few others for the past two years, with a varying amount of interest. If anyone is interested in helping out at this years expo, please let me know so we can get organised. The dates are October 5th to 6th 2005. To help the effectiveness of a stand, there are a couple of things I would like to discuss: - What is the purpose of a gnome.org stand at a linux expo? - What are we trying to achieve, what should we focus on telling people? - Who should be there? - How can we get people involved and interested in GNOME? With the increasing corporate involvement in GNOME, I think it's important to be able to reiterate why people should be interested in GNOME itself, rather than just the companies developing it, or the distributions using it. -Thomas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
