Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
On Wednesday 08 June 2011 16:57:08 Allan Day wrote: Jos Poortvliet wrote: BTW I hereby offer my help with editing and occasional writing (in case of a wordpress blog) selecting (in case of the aggregation proposal). I'd hope my experience could also be useful when it comes to setting up a few policies for the news team. We'd love the help! If you'd like to write small articles for gnome.org just let me know and I'll get you set up. Set me up. I'll probably mostly have time for reviewing, but I'm also more than happy to turn some braindump into a proper article. Writing from scratch takes significant more time which I might or might not have ;-) Allan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:38:39PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. What to do about the existing content on news.gnome.org? Rename it to announce.gnome.org? -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Le jeudi 09 juin 2011, à 09:57 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:38:39PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. What to do about the existing content on news.gnome.org? Rename it to announce.gnome.org? This is the find a better place part of my mail ;-) Depending on what we're willing to put on www.gnome.org/news, a good part could be simply linked from there, à la LWN (like Dave suggested). Keeping the aggregation of feeds as they appear right now somewhere (pgo/announcements/, for instance) could be a simple way for the team dealing with www.gnome.org/news to to know about potential news items. But this aggregation wouldn't be what we advertise externally. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:38:39PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. What to do about the existing content on news.gnome.org? Rename it to announce.gnome.org? news.gnome.org/announce? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 10:32:23AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:38:39PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. What to do about the existing content on news.gnome.org? Rename it to announce.gnome.org? news.gnome.org/announce? So news.gnome.org: redirect to www.gnome.org/news but news.gnome.org/announce: show existing content? Wouldn't that be a bit confusing? PS: news.gnome.org is nothing more than a subdirectory of planet.gnome.org; same for most planet sites (though redirects are in place to ensure google only sees one thing). -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: So news.gnome.org: redirect to www.gnome.org/news but news.gnome.org/announce: show existing content? I don't think it should redirect - it should be: news.gnome.org and gnome.org/news: Aliases for same thing (no R in ModRewrite) Both point to news.gnome.org/announce via a link: Follow project announcements, which will be what we currently have in news.gnome.org Wouldn't that be a bit confusing? I don't think so. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:23:50AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: So news.gnome.org: redirect to www.gnome.org/news but news.gnome.org/announce: show existing content? I don't think it should redirect - it should be: news.gnome.org and gnome.org/news: Aliases for same thing (no R in ModRewrite) Both point to news.gnome.org/announce via a link: Follow project announcements, which will be what we currently have in news.gnome.org That is far more difficult. #1 Those are different servers. www.gnome.org is in the UK. news.gnome.org is somewhere in the US. #2 I can setup a redirect, but nothing more special than that due to lack of wordpress knowledge. There is some limitation that we can do 'www.gnome.org/news', but not another vhost. I don't know the specifics. So for something like that you'll have to file a bug for another sysadmin to handle. It doesn't seem feasible to me (might require replicating the planet-web config on a non-Puppet server, that is pretty invasive)... -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi all, I've been trying to figure out what the best place for GNOME project related news announcements is recently, and it's *really* hard. This is in the context of announcing deadlines for attendee rates for Desktop Summit accommodation. We've also had the call for papers, announcement of the schedule, we have keynote interviews, etc. The DS has been generating quite a bit of news, and yet, you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at desktopsummit.org or gnome.org. We have: * No news posted to www.gnome.org Aggregators: * planet.gnome.org - aggregating personal blogs, definitely not a news site * news.gnome.org - aggregates announcement mailing lists, project blogs the foundation blog - also not a news site Foundation: * blogs.gnome.org/foundation - infrequently updated, more about foundation news than project news * foundation.gnome.org/press - press releases (not really news) Irregular: * gnomejournal.org - monthly, higher editorial standards, no way to publish something on a day or two's notice Not on gnome.org/not web pages: * gnome-announce mailing list (aggregated to news.gnome.org) * gnome Twitter feed * Facebook group Basically, someone not familiar with GNOME comes along can't find out our news announcements, someone inside GNOME wants to make people withing around the community aware of something, they have their personal blog aggregated on Planet as basically the only way to do that. By way of comparison, The Dot, KDE's news site, rations out the news over the week so that there's something almost every day, and they have some more worked articles every week. They have posted the following Desktop Summit articles so far: 20 May: Desktop Summit team unveils exciting program of talks 19 April: Desktop Summit T-shirt Design Competition 28 February: Desktop Summit CFP and Registration open 6 October: Desktop Summit 2011 to be held from 6 to 12 August in Berlin On the Desktop Summit site, we have just Desktop Summit schedule announced and a second article not aggregated on the front page for the t-shirt competition. We are getting left behind at this point, for lack of a good forum. So - after all that doom gloom, here's what I'd like us to do: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it - Turn gnomejournal.org into something more like lwn, with regular small updates, and more irregular, polished articles : and use the one we choose as the GNOME news announcements site 2. Document who is maintaining the news.gnome.org planet aggregator (is it the same team as Planet GNOME?) - what we could do is move this aggregator to news.gnome.org/announce or something like that, since it really isn't a news feed, it's an announcements feed. 3. Find out who can post to the foundation blog and potentially use that as a way to publish news items when appropriate. 4. Add a News link to the front page of gnome.org which will point to whatever we figure out in 1. How does this sound as a plan of action? First, the easy stuff, anyone know who's maintaining news.gnome.org, and who can point to the foundation blog? For the harder stuff, what would be involved in creating a news blog on blogs.gnome.org, and redirecting news.gnome.org to point to it? Do we have a gnome.org wordpress theme we can use for it? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi Dave, Thanks for kicking off this discussion. It's something I've meant to do myself at various points in the past (I think I even started writing up an analysis at one point...) A few general remarks (apologies for the brain dump): news.gnome.org has evolved into something that is often only of interest to GNOME developers, particularly maintainers. There's some stuff on there that has general interest (eg. the commit digests) but calls for tarballs are not general interest news items. :) The format of the GNOME Journal feels rather anachronistic. I understand that there might be an editorial advantage to infrequent publishing of whole editions, but I can't help feel that something with more regular postings (and a design refresh) would make the site much more popular. I've been keeping the front page of gnome.org going as best I can. There are some short articles there about the GNOME Foundation elections, feature proposals, etc. I have often found myself having to link to emails on gmane.org when advertising announcements made by the release team. This looks terrible. GNOME announcements should be GNOME branded and they shouldn't look like they are from the 90s. I did some work to tie our social media platform together a bit. Identica/Twitter posts now land on our Facebook page. Woo hoo! The way I tend to make an announcement is: 1. Write a short post for gnome.org (this is particularly useful if the original announcement isn't written for a general audience; see [1] for example). 2. Dent the story on Identi.ca and include a link to gnome.org. That message then propagates to Twitter and Facebook. We really need to get a proper process going for granting posting permissions to gnome.org. I started putting this together on the wiki [2] and posted to the web hackers list about it [3], but I never got a response. That's been blocking me from documenting how to post news (I've been meaning to chase this up but I've just been too busy recently). That's more or less where we stand right now. If we want to do a more fundamental restructuring of our news platforms (which I think we should), we should discuss goals and strategy before getting into specifics. What are the different groups of people we want to provide news for? What kinds of news do they want (and are there any overlaps)? Allan [1] http://www.gnome.org/news/2011/04/3-2-feature-planning-underway/ [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeDotOrgAccounts [3] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2011-April/msg00023.html On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 11:57 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, I've been trying to figure out what the best place for GNOME project related news announcements is recently, and it's *really* hard. This is in the context of announcing deadlines for attendee rates for Desktop Summit accommodation. We've also had the call for papers, announcement of the schedule, we have keynote interviews, etc. The DS has been generating quite a bit of news, and yet, you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at desktopsummit.org or gnome.org. We have: * No news posted to www.gnome.org Aggregators: * planet.gnome.org - aggregating personal blogs, definitely not a news site * news.gnome.org - aggregates announcement mailing lists, project blogs the foundation blog - also not a news site Foundation: * blogs.gnome.org/foundation - infrequently updated, more about foundation news than project news * foundation.gnome.org/press - press releases (not really news) Irregular: * gnomejournal.org - monthly, higher editorial standards, no way to publish something on a day or two's notice Not on gnome.org/not web pages: * gnome-announce mailing list (aggregated to news.gnome.org) * gnome Twitter feed * Facebook group Basically, someone not familiar with GNOME comes along can't find out our news announcements, someone inside GNOME wants to make people withing around the community aware of something, they have their personal blog aggregated on Planet as basically the only way to do that. By way of comparison, The Dot, KDE's news site, rations out the news over the week so that there's something almost every day, and they have some more worked articles every week. They have posted the following Desktop Summit articles so far: 20 May: Desktop Summit team unveils exciting program of talks 19 April: Desktop Summit T-shirt Design Competition 28 February: Desktop Summit CFP and Registration open 6 October: Desktop Summit 2011 to be held from 6 to 12 August in Berlin On the Desktop Summit site, we have just Desktop Summit schedule announced and a second article not aggregated on the front page for the t-shirt competition. We are getting left behind at this point, for lack of a good forum. So - after all that doom gloom, here's what I'd like us to do: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it - Turn
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Allan Day wrote: Thanks for kicking off this discussion. It's something I've meant to do myself at various points in the past (I think I even started writing up an analysis at one point...) Cool! I've been keeping the front page of gnome.org going as best I can. There are some short articles there about the GNOME Foundation elections, feature proposals, etc. Wow! Sorry Allan! I totally missed www.gnome.org/news - it was below the fold when I checked the front page, and I basically just didn't think to scroll down. So yes, this would be a good place to do a news feed - better than news.gnome.org, I think. What's involved in posting news there? I have often found myself having to link to emails on gmane.org when advertising announcements made by the release team. This looks terrible. GNOME announcements should be GNOME branded and they shouldn't look like they are from the 90s. I agree. In general linking to mail.gnome.org would be slightly better than gmane :) We really need to get a proper process going for granting posting permissions to gnome.org. I started putting this together on the wiki [2] and posted to the web hackers list about it [3], but I never got a response. I'm not on web-hackers - honestly I wasn't aware it existed. That's more or less where we stand right now. If we want to do a more fundamental restructuring of our news platforms (which I think we should), we should discuss goals and strategy before getting into specifics. What are the different groups of people we want to provide news for? What kinds of news do they want (and are there any overlaps)? Sounds good to me. In the short term, I have a couple of news items for gnome.org/news which it'd be cool to get up. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Le mercredi 08 juin 2011, à 09:44 -0600, Stormy Peters a écrit : On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it And remove the other feeds? Or just have a way to publish news too? I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mercredi 08 juin 2011, à 09:44 -0600, Stormy Peters a écrit : On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it And remove the other feeds? Or just have a way to publish news too? I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. Me too. That depends on how official we want to keep gnome.org/news, personally I think aggregating articles about GNOME occasionally is good, as long as the original content stays around 30% - 50% of the total. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
On 06/09/2011 12:08 AM, Dave Neary wrote: I basically just didn't think to scroll down Well then it's probably a feedback we should incorporate into the design on the home page. Lots of people don't scroll down actually and maybe we should split that big graphic into 2/3 of the width and have 1/3 for news titles maybe? (or 3/4-1/4). Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
