Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Yes, I would be willing and glad to help out on Foot Notes. ~ Michael > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 19:13 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: >> However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering >> what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather >> similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- >> which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more >> people >> as editors. > > > I have been having some health issues lately and I could definitely use > more help with editing on the FootNotes site ;) > > I posted the announcement to FootNotes. > > Michael, just out of curiosity after looking at your site, do you hail > from GR, MI? > > -Luke >> > -- > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 19:13 +0200, Claus Schwarm wrote: > However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering > what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather > similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- > which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more > people > as editors. I have been having some health issues lately and I could definitely use more help with editing on the FootNotes site ;) I posted the announcement to FootNotes. Michael, just out of curiosity after looking at your site, do you hail from GR, MI? -Luke > -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Quim, Thank you for your comments, you brought up some very valid points. To clarify, all I am after is to assist in spreading GNOME and helping out in any way. SpreadGNOME.org was simply done since there wasn't one in existence, and ideally some of the lessons learned from SpreadFirefox could be replicated. However, as this has taken a back seat to my other professional work, and looking more into the current GNOME marketing efforts, it may very well be best to simply combine everyones efforts to have the largest (and most beneficial) impact on our audience. I would be perfectly fine with redirecting SpreadGNOME.org to the official GNOME marketing page (and ultimately helping the marketing team more), etc... ~ Michael > Hi Michael, > > First of all, thank you for your effort spreading GNOME. Let's see if > this marketing team is able to help you reaching a success we all can > benefit from. > > I don't thing any of the following tips adds anything to the lessons > learned thanks to the excellent > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_Firefox > > - If anybody wants to promote GNOME, a very basic and easy step is to > put a prominent and cool link to http://gnome.org in the homepage. Note > that http://www.spreadgnome.org/ has just one link to our main page, at > the bottom, and in fact refers to the GNOME Foundation > ( http://foundation.gnome.org ). Don't repeat our own mistakes. [1] > > - If you want to complement our marketing effort and not compete with > our own sources, the better you can do is produce marketing materials > and campaigns we are not producing. This is at the very end what > spreadfirefox.org did so great for the Firefox project. You say you > still haven't got anything because you have just started. Ok, fine, what > then... wouldn't it be better not to start until you have got something > new? I know, now it's too late. A quick amendment to this could be to > come up with a first marketing artifact (a banner people could put in > their website?) and a campaign (something simple you can roll out in a > week). Or at least specify what are your marketing plans, so the > marketing team knows what to expect from you. > > - Also, we all know that spreadfirefox.org was not connected to the > Mozilla Foundation. Of course not, I guess this gave them some freedom > and agility to do whatever (it would be good to know the reasons). But > well, it is obvious that Blake Rose and Asa Dotzler had some kind of > link with Firefox working full time (?) on this project. You could have > worked in coordination with the marketing team since the earliest stages > of your project. Again, it is too late now. You are an independent > project, but if you want to help marketing GNOME, probably your work > should help GNOME Marketing, not the strongest team of this project. We > had been talking about a Spread GNOME months ago, so your project is not > off-topic. And JFDI is not off-topic in the GNOME culture either, so we > are close. Let's work closer and more efficiently. > > One more comment, as personal as the previous ones. I still wonder why > we need an external site to promote GNOME. To me it is a symptom of a > GNOME and gnome.org failure. The wgo revamp tries to solve failures like > this, and I don't see what GNOME marketing spreadgnome.org could do that > gnome.org can't do. spreadfirefox.org was a distinctive brand that I > guess was difficult to build inside mozilla.com, and also perhaps a way > to scape from the procedures of a Mozilla Foundation (?). But if you > notice, it would be quite easy to create a spread.gnome.org , and I > don't see the GNOME Foundation as an obstacle for any sensible marketing > campaign we could imagine. > > > [1] I'm very sensitive these days about no-links to http://gnome.org , > and epidemic failure of most GNOME subsites and related sites. See > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeSubsites > > El dc 23 de 08 del 2006 a les 08:22 -0500, en/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] va > escriure: >> Hello, >> >> I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time GNOME > -- > Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
> - If anybody wants to promote GNOME, a very basic and easy step is to put > a prominent and cool link to http://gnome.org in the homepage. Note: Use 'www.gnome.org'. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity." - George W. Bush (by way of Miles Nordin) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Hi Michael, First of all, thank you for your effort spreading GNOME. Let's see if this marketing team is able to help you reaching a success we all can benefit from. I don't thing any of the following tips adds anything to the lessons learned thanks to the excellent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_Firefox - If anybody wants to promote GNOME, a very basic and easy step is to put a prominent and cool link to http://gnome.org in the homepage. Note that http://www.spreadgnome.org/ has just one link to our main page, at the bottom, and in fact refers to the GNOME Foundation ( http://foundation.gnome.org ). Don't repeat our own mistakes. [1] - If you want to complement our marketing effort and not compete with our own sources, the better you can do is produce marketing materials and campaigns we are not producing. This is at the very end what spreadfirefox.org did so great for the Firefox project. You say you still haven't got anything because you have just started. Ok, fine, what then... wouldn't it be better not to start until you have got something new? I know, now it's too late. A quick amendment to this could be to come up with a first marketing artifact (a banner people could put in their website?) and a campaign (something simple you can roll out in a week). Or at least specify what are your marketing plans, so the marketing team knows what to expect from you. - Also, we all know that spreadfirefox.org was not connected to the Mozilla Foundation. Of course not, I guess this gave them some freedom and agility to do whatever (it would be good to know the reasons). But well, it is obvious that Blake Rose and Asa Dotzler had some kind of link with Firefox working full time (?) on this project. You could have worked in coordination with the marketing team since the earliest stages of your project. Again, it is too late now. You are an independent project, but if you want to help marketing GNOME, probably your work should help GNOME Marketing, not the strongest team of this project. We had been talking about a Spread GNOME months ago, so your project is not off-topic. And JFDI is not off-topic in the GNOME culture either, so we are close. Let's work closer and more efficiently. One more comment, as personal as the previous ones. I still wonder why we need an external site to promote GNOME. To me it is a symptom of a GNOME and gnome.org failure. The wgo revamp tries to solve failures like this, and I don't see what GNOME marketing spreadgnome.org could do that gnome.org can't do. spreadfirefox.org was a distinctive brand that I guess was difficult to build inside mozilla.com, and also perhaps a way to scape from the procedures of a Mozilla Foundation (?). But if you notice, it would be quite easy to create a spread.gnome.org , and I don't see the GNOME Foundation as an obstacle for any sensible marketing campaign we could imagine. [1] I'm very sensitive these days about no-links to http://gnome.org , and epidemic failure of most GNOME subsites and related sites. See http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWeb/GnomeSubsites El dc 23 de 08 del 2006 a les 08:22 -0500, en/na [EMAIL PROTECTED] va escriure: > Hello, > > I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time GNOME -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org | http://guadec.org signature.asc Description: Això és una part d'un missatge, signada digitalment -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
SpreadGNOME.org would be glad to work with FootNotes or anyone else in the community to merge resources to accomplish more for GNOME. SpreadGNOME.org really isn't intended to be simply a news source -- for the content that is on there currently, it's primarily just notices of the major stable/development releases, and not news of when a package apart of the GNOME project is updated or anything of that nature. The primary focus is with promoting GNOME through marketing, etc... as basically an organizational resource. So I believe the intentions of both sites are slightly different, but I would be open to working with anybody to help spread GNOME. And yes, I have been on the GNOME marketing list for a while. ~ Michael > Hi! > > I like the idea of promoting speakers -- provided you find people > willing to get promoted. ;-) > > However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering > what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather > similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- > which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more people > as editors. > > However, with two sites, we will just split our resources again. > > Funny enought, there are two things that I've always wanted for > a spreadGNOME site: > > * An events calender similar to the one used by http://www.php.net/ > > * The ability to generate different banners on the fly and record > the success of the different designs and slogans. > > Until today, I never had the idea to ask whether footnotes is able to > do that -- shame on me. Why shouldn't footnotes be able to promote > speakers as well? > > So, my basic questions is: Is it useful to have two sites with nearly > similar capabilities and goals ? > > > Cheers, > Claus > > P.S.: I'm not sure whether you're on this list already, thus the cc. > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:22:05 -0500 (CDT) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time >> GNOME user). SpreadGNOME.org is basically meant to be a >> community-driven ad-free independent project for promoting GNOME to >> both existing Linux users and potential converts. At this point the >> site has a mini calendar, news feeds, commenting system, etc... It's >> using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically >> handle any other valid features that users might request. >> >> It's been a project in our minds since May/June of this year, and >> working in the available spare time, it's finally ready to launch on >> the same date as the GNOME 2.16 RC release. As is apparent from the >> site, at this point it basically lacks content (graphics, marketing >> tags, and other text) but now that this community site is live users >> will hopefully begin to contribute. Anyone is also free to voice >> their opinion on what direction they would like to see the site >> headed, etc... >> >> One of the hopes David Nielsen had for SpreadGNOME was: My main idea >> with spreadGNOME would be a centralized place where people who liked >> GNOME or wanted to know more about GNOME could get together, >> primarily the idea was to connect speakers with communities that >> wanted to learn about GNU/Linux and GNOME as well as provide helpful >> material to upcoming speakers to help them present GNOME to it's >> fullest. I think there's a fundamental lack of this kind of >> information out there and if we have a horde of people around the >> world willing to do some advocacy and knock on a few doors to get >> speaking slots at first - then we could really serve the cause., >> which would be a terrific item to address once more material is >> available. Others in the GNOME community have voiced their opinion as >> well. >> >> Regards, >> Michael Larabel >> > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Hi! I like the idea of promoting speakers -- provided you find people willing to get promoted. ;-) However, while thinking about a few more notes I started wondering what we should do with footnotes? After all, you seem to have a rather similar news feed and footnotes is already slow on news sometimes -- which is of course also due to the fact that it'd need some more people as editors. However, with two sites, we will just split our resources again. Funny enought, there are two things that I've always wanted for a spreadGNOME site: * An events calender similar to the one used by http://www.php.net/ * The ability to generate different banners on the fly and record the success of the different designs and slogans. Until today, I never had the idea to ask whether footnotes is able to do that -- shame on me. Why shouldn't footnotes be able to promote speakers as well? So, my basic questions is: Is it useful to have two sites with nearly similar capabilities and goals ? Cheers, Claus P.S.: I'm not sure whether you're on this list already, thus the cc. On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:22:05 -0500 (CDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time > GNOME user). SpreadGNOME.org is basically meant to be a > community-driven ad-free independent project for promoting GNOME to > both existing Linux users and potential converts. At this point the > site has a mini calendar, news feeds, commenting system, etc... It's > using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically > handle any other valid features that users might request. > > It's been a project in our minds since May/June of this year, and > working in the available spare time, it's finally ready to launch on > the same date as the GNOME 2.16 RC release. As is apparent from the > site, at this point it basically lacks content (graphics, marketing > tags, and other text) but now that this community site is live users > will hopefully begin to contribute. Anyone is also free to voice > their opinion on what direction they would like to see the site > headed, etc... > > One of the hopes David Nielsen had for SpreadGNOME was: My main idea > with spreadGNOME would be a centralized place where people who liked > GNOME or wanted to know more about GNOME could get together, > primarily the idea was to connect speakers with communities that > wanted to learn about GNU/Linux and GNOME as well as provide helpful > material to upcoming speakers to help them present GNOME to it's > fullest. I think there's a fundamental lack of this kind of > information out there and if we have a horde of people around the > world willing to do some advocacy and knock on a few doors to get > speaking slots at first - then we could really serve the cause., > which would be a terrific item to address once more material is > available. Others in the GNOME community have voiced their opinion as > well. > > Regards, > Michael Larabel > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
We can always change it out at a later point if it offers more possibilities for the community. I have been staying tuned to the GNOME CMS discussion, but since no final decision has yet to be made, the custom CMS system was used for the time being and can be adapted to fit nearly anything. Any other comments for improvement are welcome as always. Best, Michael Larabel > Ahoy, > > On Wednesday 23 August 2006 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system >> under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that >> users might request. > > It would have been really nice if you'd opted for Drupal, which > SpreadFirefox, > SpreadOpenOffice.org and SpreadKDE are using. GNOME also *might* go for > Drupal for their main web infrastructure. There would be a huge potential > for > collaboration if we all used Drupal. > > Obviously you're free to use whatever you want for this site, and nobody > should ever adopt a particular technology just because it offers > collaboration potential. But (and I'm sure GNOME people will chip in on > this) > it's really nice to talk with others in the same and related projects > first :) > > Anyway, good luck with it all, I'll be interested to see where the project > goes. > > Kind regards > Tom Chance > KDE Promotion team > > > -- > The task of critique is not to denounce the ideals, but to show their > transformation into ideologies, and to challenge the ideology in the > name of the betrayed ideal (Fromm â Beyond The Chains Of Illusion) > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Ahoy, On Wednesday 23 August 2006 14:22, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system > under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that > users might request. It would have been really nice if you'd opted for Drupal, which SpreadFirefox, SpreadOpenOffice.org and SpreadKDE are using. GNOME also *might* go for Drupal for their main web infrastructure. There would be a huge potential for collaboration if we all used Drupal. Obviously you're free to use whatever you want for this site, and nobody should ever adopt a particular technology just because it offers collaboration potential. But (and I'm sure GNOME people will chip in on this) it's really nice to talk with others in the same and related projects first :) Anyway, good luck with it all, I'll be interested to see where the project goes. Kind regards Tom Chance KDE Promotion team -- The task of critique is not to denounce the ideals, but to show their transformation into ideologies, and to challenge the ideology in the name of the betrayed ideal (Fromm – Beyond The Chains Of Illusion) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SpreadGNOME.org
Hello, I am Michael Larabel the owner of Phoronix Networks (and long-time GNOME user). SpreadGNOME.org is basically meant to be a community-driven ad-free independent project for promoting GNOME to both existing Linux users and potential converts. At this point the site has a mini calendar, news feeds, commenting system, etc... It's using a custom Phoronix CMS system under the hood, and can basically handle any other valid features that users might request. It's been a project in our minds since May/June of this year, and working in the available spare time, it's finally ready to launch on the same date as the GNOME 2.16 RC release. As is apparent from the site, at this point it basically lacks content (graphics, marketing tags, and other text) but now that this community site is live users will hopefully begin to contribute. Anyone is also free to voice their opinion on what direction they would like to see the site headed, etc... One of the hopes David Nielsen had for SpreadGNOME was: My main idea with spreadGNOME would be a centralized place where people who liked GNOME or wanted to know more about GNOME could get together, primarily the idea was to connect speakers with communities that wanted to learn about GNU/Linux and GNOME as well as provide helpful material to upcoming speakers to help them present GNOME to it's fullest. I think there's a fundamental lack of this kind of information out there and if we have a horde of people around the world willing to do some advocacy and knock on a few doors to get speaking slots at first - then we could really serve the cause., which would be a terrific item to address once more material is available. Others in the GNOME community have voiced their opinion as well. Regards, Michael Larabel > Hi, > > I just heard about it, and thought some here might be interested > as well: > > http://www.spreadgnome.org/ > > The news story says the site was done by > > http://www.phoronixnetworks.com/ > > Hopefully, there was no important memo I missed: It was news for me. > I scanned the planet and footnotes, but it seems there was no > (English) announcement yet. > > > Cheers, > Claus > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
