Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
We should bring this up as a thread on ddl when you've compiled it. (or maybe we should decide here whether we need to bring it up in DDL as a general discussion or to approach individual maintainers seperately) Personally, going with the maintainers is a better idea. Opening it up the peanut gallery leads to a lot of talk and very little action. sri On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:43:58PM -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > > And thanks again to Santiago for collecting the negative reviews. Maybe > > this will give his work more "oomph" in some people's minds? > > > btw, i'll try to summarize all online comments about this linus/kde > thing. from what i've read so far, they seem to have a couple valid > points we shouldn't be ignoring. > > i just hope someone (especially developers) will read it this time! :) > > > > -- > Santiago Roza > Departamento I+D - Thymbra > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
John Williams wrote: On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 21:43 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: btw, i'll try to summarize all online comments about this linus/kde thing. from what i've read so far, they seem to have a couple valid points we shouldn't be ignoring. I think that would be very helpful, thanks! Also you can use http://blogsearch.google.com/ to search for "GNOME" and sort by date. You will be able to find recent posts due to the comments of Linus. Simos -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 21:43 -0300, Santiago Roza wrote: > btw, i'll try to summarize all online comments about this linus/kde > thing. from what i've read so far, they seem to have a couple valid > points we shouldn't be ignoring. I think that would be very helpful, thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
> And thanks again to Santiago for collecting the negative reviews. Maybe > this will give his work more "oomph" in some people's minds? btw, i'll try to summarize all online comments about this linus/kde thing. from what i've read so far, they seem to have a couple valid points we shouldn't be ignoring. i just hope someone (especially developers) will read it this time! :) -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
> I'm not sure if processing feedback will be sufficient. no existing task is "sufficient" on its own, but there are many productive steps we could take. and definitely, processing feedback won't have any use unless developers do something about that feedback. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:31:51 -0800 Sriram Ramkrishna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's best we just let this pass and get back to business. :-) > No need to continue to drag this through the mud. Rather, this is our > opportunity to: > > a) go through osnews/slashdot looking for decent feedback > b) get a feel of what people think about GNOME both good and bad. > > and other things. > > sri > I believe, Linus' opinion piece is just an example of a larger image problem. To quote the main sentence: "And when I tell people that, they tend to nod, and have some story of their own why they had a feature they used to use, but it was removed because it might have been confusing." I'm not sure if processing feedback will be sufficient. Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 21:31 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Rather, this is our opportunity to: > > a) go through osnews/slashdot looking for decent feedback > b) get a feel of what people think about GNOME both good and bad. > > and other things. Hallelujah, brother! And thanks again to Santiago for collecting the negative reviews. Maybe this will give his work more "oomph" in some people's minds? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
May be the 2006 Marketing Slogan should be : Intelligence through Excellence ;) Karl On Tue, 2005-12-13 at 22:37 +0200, Žygimantas Beručka wrote: > An, 2005 12 13 13:29 -0500, Rajiv Vyas rašė: > > Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. > > Very smart and influential yes, intelligent no, YOU FUCKIN IDIOTS. > Considering his mails should we market GNOME as 'intelligent' instead of > 'usable'? :) It sounds cool and raises a question 'Intelligent what? I > have to see it'? :) > > And as Sriram wrote, somehow we need to use this excellent opportunity > for a bit of show off. > > Žygis -- - Karl Fischer Drone, Human and Gnome User I support 10x10. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personal Site : http://fischer.org.za - -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
I think it's best we just let this pass and get back to business. :-) No need to continue to drag this through the mud. Rather, this is our opportunity to: a) go through osnews/slashdot looking for decent feedback b) get a feel of what people think about GNOME both good and bad. and other things. sri On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 10:08:55AM +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Santiago Roza wrote: > > oh god... > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 > > Well the thread is slowly reaching troll stages on > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and GNOMEUsability - so perhaps it would > worthwhile to figure out what exactly Linus is getting at. > > And on second thoughts why not blog about our personal stances ? :) > > Rgds > SM > > > -- > > You see things; and you say 'Why?'; > But I dream things that never were; > and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
Santiago Roza wrote: > oh god... > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 Well the thread is slowly reaching troll stages on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and GNOMEUsability - so perhaps it would worthwhile to figure out what exactly Linus is getting at. And on second thoughts why not blog about our personal stances ? :) Rgds SM -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
Hi, On 12/14/05, Santiago Roza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". > > well i never said we should panic, but it's something we should be > keeping an eye on. I don't see a reason to Panic. This flamewar has been going on for ages and will never end. So yes, Linus voiced his opinion on the flame-war.That does not mean all GNOME users are going to drop GNOME and switch to KDE. First,Geeks read Slashdot. The intelligent geeks know how to separate a genuine news article from something which was copy-pasted from a mailing list post. Another point is Geeks as computer users today are a minority.So if you are looking at the bigger picture(99.9% of the desktop market) then the geek-factor diminishes. At this point, I need to ask myself. Q) Is GNOME making users dumb ? A) Yes. Q) Is it good ? A) Yes. If GNOME wants to cater to the "bigger-picture" then yes, GNOME "usability" is on the right track.Sure, some geeks might abandon you for more "uber" DE's but in turn you will be embracing a lot more users who are scared of other Desktop Environments. just my 2 penny. -Toufeeq -- blog @ http://toufeeq.blogspot.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
> As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". well i never said we should panic, but it's something we should be keeping an eye on. -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
As jdub would roughly put it "Don't Panic". Jerome Gotangco [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: +639196555242 GPG: 0xA97B69A0 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
> We need to thank him for generating so much press. That should raise our > profile in many trade rags. We need to tell the press people we are open > for > interviews and what not so that we can give people a balanced view. ;) Good idea. I've mentioned that on my blog, so it appears on planet.gnome.org. I don't know of better ways. Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
An, 2005 12 13 13:29 -0500, Rajiv Vyas rašė: > Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. Very smart and influential yes, intelligent no, YOU FUCKIN IDIOTS. Considering his mails should we market GNOME as 'intelligent' instead of 'usable'? :) It sounds cool and raises a question 'Intelligent what? I have to see it'? :) And as Sriram wrote, somehow we need to use this excellent opportunity for a bit of show off. Žygis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
We need to thank him for generating so much press. That should raise our profile in many trade rags. We need to tell the press people we are open for interviews and what not so that we can give people a balanced view. ;) sri On Tue, Dec 13, 2005 at 01:29:49PM -0500, Rajiv Vyas wrote: > Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. > > On 12/13/05, Santiago Roza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > oh god... > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 > > > > > > -- > > Santiago Roza > > Departamento I+D - Thymbra > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: slashdot: linus says "use kde"
Very strong opinion from an extremely smart and influential guy. On 12/13/05, Santiago Roza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh god... > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 > > > -- > Santiago Roza > Departamento I+D - Thymbra > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
slashdot: linus says "use kde"
oh god... http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/13/1340215 -- Santiago Roza Departamento I+D - Thymbra [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
