[Marxism] Sydney rally condemns Turkish government crackdown
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hundreds of members of the Turkish community rallied in central Sydney on June 1 to protest the Turkish government's crackdown on peaceful protesters in Istanbul over recent days. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/54217 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Terry Eagleton says we’ve forgotten how to read. Does it matter? - The Globe and Mail
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Surely, Marx read Balzac also because of the content, not just the aesthetics. My point is just that you can't separate the two. And that you can't separate judgement from at least an implied analysis concerning the function of works of art. Not just in their own times, that was just an example. Furthermore, coherent aesthetic standards change between times, places, classes, cultures etc. I don't really care if Marx, Eagleton, Trotsky disagree, I think we need to bring a critical attitude informed by historical materialism to the study of aesthetic canons as well. Not doing that creates snobbery and stands in the way of the development of art. Website: http://filmint.nu/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/FilmInt Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/FilmInt 2 jun 2013 kl. 04:59 skrev Suresh: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Daniel Lindvall: My point, crudely made perhaps, was that I don't believe there is an objective way to evaluate aesthetics or taste separated from content and place in the way this article seems to imply. To evaluate a work of art you need to look at the complex ways in which it interacts with specific times and places, with specific audiences. I might find a specific novel or film a piece of crap but if, for instance, it was both very popular and helped bring about progressive social change in a specific time and place, then it was a great work of art in that time and place. Couldn't agree with you more re liberal expertise in falsification. ___ Marx disagreed. He studied Aeschylus in Greek, purportedly read Shakespeare everyday in London, and venerated Balzac. Do you really think he read these men only because of the roles they played in their particular social contexts and in the class struggles of their times? Of course not - he had the sense that most people do of coherent aesthetic standards. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/daniel.lindvall%40filmint.nu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Turkey: Huge protest wave marks turning point in struggle
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == When the humble “Occupy Gezi” (Occupy Promenade Park) protest in Istanbul’s Taksim Square was brutally attacked by police on May 31, protests spread like wildfire throughout other cities and the Turkish left was in the thick of it. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/54216 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Report from Turkey: a taste of Tahrir at Taksim
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is not yet Tahrir writes Sungur Savran, editor of the newspaper Isci Mucadelesi (Workers' Struggle) in Socialist Project. But demonstrations on the two continents of Istanbul, Asia and Europe at three in the morning, that is decidedly unusual and gives one a taste of Tahrir. This is not yet a revolution, but it is not only tear gas that marks the air in Istanbul. It is also a scent of revolutionary aspirations. http://enpassant.com.au/2013/06/02/report-from-turkey-a-taste-of-tahrir-at-taksim/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Merchants of Shame » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My take on this quarrel? Post Wisconsin and Occupy, the class struggle is at a low ebb in the USA, thus there is time for factional sniping. When it picks up again, most of the people involved will be on the same side of the barricades. Jon Flanders On Sat, 2013-06-01 at 16:41 -0400, Michael Smith wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 06:28:16 -0700 michael yates mikedjya...@msn.com wrote: maybe a fuck the ISO and all the other chowderheads who have made stupid comments is in order. This seems very much on the right track. What seems to have gotten the ISO politburo's knickers in a twist is, as far as I can see, the use of the word 'tits'. Now why 'tits' should be unsavory while 'breasts' is OK is entirely beyond me, except that the former is vernacular whereas the second, for some reason, is genteel. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Terry Eagleton says we’ve forgotten how to read. Does it matter? - The Globe and Mail
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == - Original Message - From: Daniel Lindvall daniel.lindv...@filmint.nu To: alnh...@yahoo.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Marxism] Terry Eagleton says we’ve forgotten how to read. Does it matter? - The Globe and Mail == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So really, where is the objectively forcing argument for preferring a brand of malt whiskey to any other or, for that matter, to any other drink that is neither better or worse for your health? Near-consensus among the expertise? We'd all be economic liberals in that case. Hopefully the book is less crude than the review makes one believe. Website: http://filmint.nu/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/FilmInt Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/FilmInt I think Eagleton is saying that taste is a skill, like reading or drinking whiskey; it has to be learned, it is an acquired taste. A skill has to be taught, which requires a teacher, which means that taste (at least in a literary sense) is a socially acquired skill. If a particular skill, however, is associated with economic and class power then it should not be surprising that teaching that skill is highly controlled by those in power. With very few exceptions only neo-liberal, neo-classical economics is taught in school, esp in the U.S. The appreciation for malt whiskey is either irrelevant or a perfectly permissible bourgeois-approved practice. Economics, class, sex, imperialism, etc. are definitely off limits and can only be taught (and thus denied) by those either approved by the bourgeoisie or by those who are effectively inaudible. Thus, the preference for neo-liberalism is determined by, as you say, a near-consensus of the approved expertise. We may not all be economic liberals, but the dominant economics is liberalism. Taste is, I would say, socially acquired. The taste for economic liberalism is also socially acquired, whereas Marxist economics is strictly socially prohibited, except possibly for the self-taught. 1 jun 2013 kl. 16:34 skrev Louis Proyect: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/books-and-media/book-reviews/a-major-critic-says-weve-forgotten-how-to-read-does-it-matter/article12128764/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/daniel.lindvall%40filmint.nu Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/alnhrs2%40yahoo.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Merchants of Shame » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
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Re: [Marxism] The Merchants of Shame » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/2/13 9:20 AM, Allan Harris wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == how do you clip extraneous text without deleting the entire email? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/lnp3%40panix.com You highlight the extraneous text with your mouse and then depress the delete key. For example, if somebody crossposted a 25 paragraph article from the NYT that you wanted to add a 2 or 3 sentence comment on, you'd highlight the last 23 or 24 paragraphs with your mouse and then depress the delete key. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Everywhere is Taksim, Resistance Everywhere
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[Marxism] Iran cuts Hamas funding over Syria - Telegraph
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Re: [Marxism] The Merchants of Shame » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So when the real issues pick up, sexist crap and straw arguments designed to avoid discussing it will assume their rightful place as mere trifles - great! On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jon Flanders jonathan.fland...@verizon.netwrote: My take on this quarrel? Post Wisconsin and Occupy, the class struggle is at a low ebb in the USA, thus there is time for factional sniping. When it picks up again, most of the people involved will be on the same side of the barricades. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Merchants of Shame » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't think Joshua Frank and Jeffrey St. Clair are typical sexist jerks, and I don't think Sharon Smith and the ISO are puritanical Trots out to censor everything in sight. There are real issues of class and race all mixed up in the debate worth discussing surely but neither side should be read out of the left over it. So yes, I think an upsurge in the class struggle will subsume this, just as Wisconsin and Occupy saw a decline in factional point scoring. Jon On Sun, 2013-06-02 at 13:56 -0400, Dennis Brasky wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == So when the real issues pick up, sexist crap and straw arguments designed to avoid discussing it will assume their rightful place as mere trifles - great! On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Jon Flanders jonathan.fland...@verizon.netwrote: My take on this quarrel? Post Wisconsin and Occupy, the class struggle is at a low ebb in the USA, thus there is time for factional sniping. When it picks up again, most of the people involved will be on the same Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Status report from Turkey
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == From FB: The police are now firing chemical gas at around 6 protesters gathered at Taksim Square and also using plastic bullets. Many people have been seriously injured and there are reports that 4 of them have died. Around 1000 policemen have resigned and joined the people. There is massive media blackout and internet censorship, twitter has been banned too. A comrade from Turkey has shared the information pleading to circulate the message far and wide. The Turkish revolution will not be televised Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] LiveLeak.com - Heavy Clashes Between The Turkish Police and the Protesters!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dc5_1370093547 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] LiveLeak.com - Heavy Clashes Between The Turkish Police and the Protesters!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lou What is your feeling about this? Is Richard Seymour correct? Are we seeing the seeds of a Turkish Spring? The article by the journalist that you linked to was interesting but she definitely thought that it could not be a revolutionary situation because Erdogan was elected and would go to elections. She said he was no dictator. There was also the thought that the economy was in good shape. I am not at all sure that the factors she mentioned rule out the possibility of a revolutionary situation developing. For instance if we take the axis of Impoverished Affluent, is this a revolt on the affluent side of the continuum? If so then would it not be more like the uprisings in the 60s than what is happening in Europe at present? comradely Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] LiveLeak.com - Heavy Clashes Between The Turkish Police and the Protesters!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/2/13 7:38 PM, Gary MacLennan wrote: Lou What is your feeling about this? I did an interview today with Ahmet Tonak, a long-time Marxist scholar and activist. It and my own background on the AKP will be posted to the new North Star website on Wednesday. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Is there a Social-Media Fueled Protest Style? An Analysis From #jan25 to #geziparki | technosociology
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == An analysis by Zeynep Tufekci, one of the moderators of the Marxism list that preceded Marxmail. http://technosociology.org/?p=1255 Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Monsanto's political prisoner, Marie Mason, part of 'green scare' crackdown
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Marie Mason is a 52-year-old mother of two children, a long-time activist in environmental and labour movements, an artist, gardener, musician, writer, poet, an Earth First! organiser, a volunteer for a free healthcare collective, a worker for numerous charities and a political prisoner in the United States... Mason was charged with involvement in two attacks. One was on an office at Michigan State University where research into genetically modified organism (GMO) crops was being conducted by agribusiness giant Monsanto. The other attack was damage to commercial logging equipment. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/54222 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] How Democratic Is Turkey? | Foreign Policy
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[Marxism] US gov't backs Monsanto's threat to global food supply
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == After a big win in the Supreme Courthttp://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/05/13/2003441/soybean-farmer-loses-supreme-court-challenge-to-biotech-giant-monsanto/ on May 13, biotech firm Monsanto Company has more or less solidified its control of the United States' food supply. Monsanto’s patented genetically modified (GM) seeds comprise about 90% of the US seed markethttp://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/02/19/1607161/monsanto-supreme-court-hearing/, driving conventional seeds to near extinction. Now, the company has set its sights on the rest of the world. A report released May 13 from Food and Water Watchhttp://documents.foodandwaterwatch.org/doc/Biotech_Report_US.pdf details how the State Department has bolstered the biotech industry in its quest to dominate the global seed market. http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/54223 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Istanbul a 'war zone', says eyewitness
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thousands upon thousands of people chanting and building barricades and storing water strategically for later use when the gas starts again. These guys take their rioting seriously, he said. My friends, including their wives and girlfriends and cousins, are all highly charged. They said this is the first time anything like this has happened in their generation. I have never seen so many people in one place in all my life, and never so many so powerfully and purposefully motivated. The mood is positive and determined - they want political change... everyone clearly knows what they are protesting for. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-03/australian-man-describes-taksim-as-war-zone/4728664 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Moseley, Mattick, jr. and Foley at HM
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://wearemany.org/a/2013/04/marxs-theory-of-value-money-and-business-cycle NB - Moseley's talk is purely methodological and quite dense (I did get lost at a few points), Mattick, jr, is sharp (good analogy from physics) and succinct, as usual (always wish he would take longer, and write more), and Foley makes a great point about Marx's fundamental Hegelianism, lest any of us happen to forget it for a moment. HT http://reificationofpersonsandpersonificationofthings.wordpress.com/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Mass Palestinian grave found at Tel Aviv
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis in fighting during the war of 1948 which led to the creation of the state of Israel have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv's Jaffa district. An official at the Muslim cemetery there told AFP news agency that the grisly find occurred on Wednesday when ground subsided as workers carried out renovations, revealing six chambers full of skeletons. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/06/20136104317486359.html -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Australia to introduce slavery for asylum seekers
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == [Or close enough to] Asylum seekers could be placed on a work for the dole scheme, which would include income management, under plans announced by the opposition and supported by the government. Under the deal, asylum seekers would be paid welfare in the form of food and accommodation vouchers in return for their labour, opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said. They would work on community projects to earn the vouchers, worth about 89 per cent of the Newstart allowance, he said. Everything from planting trees to volunteer work in nursing homes, things of that nature, Mr Morrison told the Seven network on Sunday. But he's adamant that a normal wage will not be paid. Cash in hand can just simply be cash for people smugglers' debts, he said. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/work-for-the-dole-plan-for-asylum-seekers-20130602-2njy8.html#ixzz2V7uA83a0 -- “Disobedience, in the eyes of anyone who has read history, is humanity’s original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.” — Oscar Wilde, Soul of Man Under Socialism “The free market is perfectly natural... do you think I am some kind of dummy?” — Jarvis Cocker Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
