[Marxism] The effects of the economic sanctions against Iran
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Re: [Marxism] A scene from the new Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Conservative dress code is a symptom of the conservative religious beliefs of many people in the region... I was speaking on Friday to a young Iranian woman (born since the revolution and growing up in a non-religious family in Teheran). Wearing a full chador while at home in Iran was no big deal for her even though she isn't the least bit religious and wears Western clothing - skirts etc - while living in the West. This argument seem to blame the culture (as if culture is homogeneous and unified) for the mandatory Hijab forced onto women in Iran against which they, secular and Muslim, have stood from as early as 1979. One example: Iranian Women's March against Hijab in March 8th, 1979 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odmlfa986mk Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Muslim Brotherhood in Syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ==**==**== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. ==**==**== As always, right to the point, Louis. Of course few people would openly dare to support Bashar or Ahmadinejad now, especially if they are in academia. But we have to read between the lines, oh but that's just TOO much to ask from most of the leftists. Read this piece of propaganda (below) to see how fake-democracy talks are squeezed into the discussion when talking about Iran's and Syria's pro-regime demonstrations as if Mubarak didn't orchestrate pro-regime demonstrations (but apparently Angry Arab missed those pro-Mubarak protesters). If some particular tyrants can manage some pro-regime demonstrations, in case the tyrants are on the list of US government's enemies, then Western media has to cover those demonstrations extensively? Really? And this leftist rule is not a fake-democracy talk and a pro-tyranny propaganda? This rule is actually made by a bunch of leftists who all they have said about Iran during the last year is that New Egypt is going to have a good relation with Iran's government, not a single word about the people's struggle and at the same time they have demanded a full coverage of pro-regime demonstrations! please connect the dots. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/05/let-zionists-freak-out-some-more.html http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/04/zionists-will-freak-out-some-more.html http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/03/for-zionists-to-freak-out-some-more.html fake and shallow democracy talks when it comes to Syria's and Iran's pro-regime protests: So it is now new at all for him. Now Anthony Shadid is a serious American correspondent whose writings I have consistently praised over the years, and unlike other Western media he covered the obvious: that there were tens of thousands of Syrians who demonstrated in support of the regime. That can't be denied. But Shadid added that those demonstrations were orchestrated. But Anthony: is it not obvious that ALL demonstrations are orchestrated, including protests by the opposition. Many Syrians yesterday emailed me to note to me that I was wrong if I suggested that all Syrians want Asad out. I know from my communications from Syrians and other visitors to Syria that many do in fact support the regime, while many Syrians want the downfall of the regime. I dont know the percentages of course. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/06/syria-coverage.html And this one: I of course, was planning to see how the Western media were going to cover the Iran protests. The New York Times has moved her Iran correspondent from...Toronto to...New York City, to get closer to the story. If Sarah Palin can see Russia from her window, Nazila Fathi can see Iran from her window in Toronto. But notice this: it was clear that the demonstrations in support of the regime yesterday were massive, and most Western media reported hundreds of thousands of demonstrators. The Washington Post said: Hundreds of thousands of government supporters rallied in several Iranian cities against the country's political opposition Wednesday... But Ms. Fathi saw a smaller crowd from her window in New York City: Tens of thousands of pro-government demonstrators took to the streets of Tehran... http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/12/iran-protests-covering-other-side.html More about Angry Arab: http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2011/01/blind-tribalism-is-not-anti-imperialism.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Open letter to Cynthia McKinney from 5 Palestinian youth
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Cynthia McKinney also once mistook anti-imperialism with supporting Ahmadinejad: http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2010/10/to-cynthia-mckinney_18.html The youtube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCVWOIJtKtk Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] note on syria
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Why can't the anti-imperialists on the list take Abu Khalil as a model? When it comes to being politically principled I think many leftists do a terrible job. In many cases they are just the mirror image of the empire, have the same double standards but in an opposite direction. For instance, What were the sources of Angry Arab for this allegation and pro-Iranian regime propaganda? Angry Arab: In Iran, the US covertly smuggled those cute camera pens for demonstrators. They were not cute enough for the Egyptian people. This is of course like a cute joke for leftists or anarchists or whatever. But real people in Iran, BTW they are not dolls, get tortured for such propaganda and unsupported allegations. Angry Arab's sources: http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2011/01/effect-of-warmongers-media-on-some.html Another example of double standards of the so called leftists: Angry Arab: I can't support a movement that writes its signs in English, in order to please the White Man, and I can't be in the same trench with Fox News. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/06/categorically.html I saw many many signs in English in the uprisings of the people in North Africa and the Middle East and no one has taken issue with those English signs including Mr. Angry Arab. What happened? Signs in English in Iran are to make the white man happy but in the rest of the world are a sign of progressiveness and desire to communicate with the world? Really? Another example: And if they are looking for courageous demonstrations against brutal regimes, I direct them to the weekly demonstrations against the Israeli terrorist occupiers in Ni`lin. And you may twitter my...potato. http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2009/06/western-media-sickening.html Wow, so the use of twitter by Iranian women and men is the potato of the so called leftists but in the rest of the world is a sign of being progressive? For instance, here it was a sign of being progressive: :http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2011/01/furious-and-outraged-already-angry-arab.html I can continue this list for several more pages but I guess it's enough to explain why I don't need such anti-imperialist models. Thanks for the suggestion though. http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2011/01/nationalism-can-cause-racism-and.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bread riots?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sorry that it's not related to your question. But I would like to ask: Why do you say revolutionary upsurge in the Arab countries? Do you exclude Iran? Why? What should we say when in Wisconsin people refer to Egypt and Tahrir Square or when Chinese government is scared of the effect of these uprisings? And why should we disregard that some of these countries are in North Africa and these events can affect other African countries? Why over-emphasizing so much on the word Arab when talking about the recent revolutions? It seems that de-racializing these revolutions is a much more progressive act than invoking nationalism. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Bread riots?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes Iran is important, and so is Turkey. But both have been in motion for a long time. Thanks for your answer. But there is a movement going on in Iran. People have endangered their lives revolting against tyranny in their cities during the last two years. JUST about 1 month ago, two people named Sane Jaleh (from Kurdistan) and Mohammad Mokhtari were killed in the streets of Tehran and one student in Shiraz was killed by the government's security forces. Just about two weeks ago, during Charshanbeh Souri, many were arrested. Mohsen Dokmechi died in the prison just last week. The government didn't let him leave the prison for hospital. So, no, it's not just a motion, it's a revolutionary movement that several hundreds of people are currently in prisons for it and more than 100 have been killed. Only if we consider their blood colorful enough and if we do not confuse ourselves with backward racial nationalism, we can see that the recent uprisings started from 2009 in Iran. On the hand, the Egyptien and Tunisian revolutions have hugely affected the movement in Iran, so these uprisings can not be confined within any kind of nationalism. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sources?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hi Richard. I don't know if anyone can claim that Angry Arab has supported the GM. Maybe you could possibly read these blog-posts and let me know if you still think that Angry Arab has supported the GM: http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2011/01/blind-tribalism-is-not-anti-imperialism.html http://revolutionaryfesenjan.blogspot.com/2011/01/blind-tribalism-is-not-anti-imperialism.html About Jundollah: So why he hasn't mentioned the name of Jundollah? As I said: Juxtaposing a vague statement about car bombs in Iran, next to a sentence about the Iranian protesters is exercising weak and irresponsible rhetoric and Glenn Beck kind of logic by those who have tried in the last two years to discredit the movement of oppressed Iranian people. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sources?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Oh really? No sources are needed? How did you figure out that it was done by Iranian protesters or the Green Movement of Iran? Angry Arab: Did you say that about the protests in Iran? And did you not support groups in Iran (and Iraq) that even engage in car bombings? Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sources?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Angry Arab: Did you say that about the protests in Iran? And did you not support groups in Iran (and Iraq) that even engage in car bombings? Who were the Iranian groups that engaged in car bombings that you and Angry Arab seem to know and even claim that Hillary has backed them up too? Juxtaposing a vague statement about car bombs in Iran, next to a sentence about the Iranian protesters is exercising weak and irresponsible rhetoric and Glenn Beck kind of logic by those who have tried in the last two years to discredit the movement of oppressed Iranian people. Angry Arab also claimed that the US smuggled camera pens to Iran for Iranian protesters and his sources were somewhere and Fox news and leftists had no problem with such sources. This is called Glenn Beckism of leftists. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
