Re: [Marxism] Israelis shocked by racist football chants
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: > == > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > == > > > > Dennis Brasky wrote: > > > Zionism shares with Nazism a drive to remove an unwanted human > population. > > Angelus Nouvs replied: > There's nothing wrong with pointing out the inherent brutality of the > Zionist project, but there *is* something wrong with the implied assumption > that it's some unique quality only shared with Nazism. > > I add: > Correct I think, Angelus Nouvs. The same thing happened, mas o menos, in the USA when blacks, having been excluded from many major league sports decades earlier, were invited by some franchise owners to desegregate them some decades later. I'm surprised that some of these athletes, like Jackie Robinson, weren't murdered by racist whites back in the day. Of course, in the years following blacks (and whites and others who supported them) were killed by racist whites when they tried to desegregate the rest of society (schools, neighborhoods, jobs, etc.). Look further back in our national history at slavery in the USA or the Jim Crowism that followed it. In fact, the Nazis sent at least one team to the USA in the 1930s precisely to study how the rulers and their managers managed the "race problem" in the USA. Nazism had no monopoly on violent, murderous, state-sanctioned racism. We won't even mention the history of Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians, etc., in the country. ~Howard Beeth > > > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu > Set your options at: > http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/gulfmann%40gmail.com > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israelis shocked by racist football chants
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelus Novus wrote: > > > Dennis Brasky wrote: > > > Zionism shares with Nazism a drive to remove an unwanted human > population. > > Or, you know, modern bourgeois statehood in general. Ever delve into the > history of the European conquest of the "New World", the genocidal > expropriation of the indigenous population of North America by the United > States, the history of other colonial settler-states like Australia, etc.? > > There's nothing wrong with pointing out the inherent brutality of the > Zionist project, but there *is* something wrong with the implied assumption > that it's some unique quality only shared with Nazism. > > reply - > > There was no requirment of wiping out the native populations of North > America and Australia. A settler state could have been installed there with > the native people intact as a source of cheap labor. This was the case with > the apartheid regimes of South Africa and Rhodesia as well as Northern > Ireland. The Zionist project was not interested in cheap labor but the > de-Arabization/Judaization of Palestine to create a Jewish State. In that > aspect and not simply a willingness to commit brutality and genocide, > Zionism is a unique evil - not a greater one. > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israelis shocked by racist football chants
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis Brasky wrote: > Zionism shares with Nazism a drive to remove an unwanted human population. Or, you know, modern bourgeois statehood in general. Ever delve into the history of the European conquest of the "New World", the genocidal expropriation of the indigenous population of North America by the United States, the history of other colonial settler-states like Australia, etc.? There's nothing wrong with pointing out the inherent brutality of the Zionist project, but there *is* something wrong with the implied assumption that it's some unique quality only shared with Nazism. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Israelis shocked by racist football chants
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == clip from article - Beitar, the only Israeli club to have never signed a player from the 20% of the country's population that is Arab, has a long history of racism among its supporters, with a favourite chant being "Death to Arabs". Before the arrival of Gabriel Kadiev and Zaur Sadayev, fans held aloft a banner at a match reading: "Beitar forever pure." Zionism shares with Nazism a drive to remove an unwanted human population. Instead of gas chambers, they've employed ethnic cleansing, but crude racism serves both as the ideological glue. Hearing Betar decry this latest example is like the Vichy police lieutenant in the film Casablanca - "I'm shocked to find that there is gambling going on here!" as he collects his winnings. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Stuart Munckton wrote: > > > Not sure why anyone would be shocked, but it is certainly horrific, if > predictible. > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/10/beitar-jerusalem-counts-cost-arson?CMP=twt_gu > Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
