Re: [Marxism] Re. Libya and list discussion

2011-03-05 Thread Jim Farmelant
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2011 12:05:42 +1100 Matt 
writes:
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> Walter was not unsubscribed because of his views. If that were the 
> case
> then Fred and Nestor would have been kicked along with Karadjis 
> over
> Serbia and any number of comrades who disagree with Louis on 
> anything.
> Walter decided to pepper every cross post with the same strawman 
> barbs
> that lead to his original unsubbing. If he didn't get the point then 
> so
> be it.

If history is any guide here, he will be back sooner or later.  
Of all the people that Lou has unsubcribed over the years, only two or
three never
came back, with just one person being permanently barred, 
and the others not returning out of their own volition.

 
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Re: [Marxism] Re. Libya and list discussion

2011-03-04 Thread Matt
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Walter was not unsubscribed because of his views. If that were the case
then Fred and Nestor would have been kicked along with Karadjis over
Serbia and any number of comrades who disagree with Louis on anything.
Walter decided to pepper every cross post with the same strawman barbs
that lead to his original unsubbing. If he didn't get the point then so
be it.


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Re: [Marxism] Re. Libya and list discussion

2011-03-04 Thread Néstor Gorojovsky
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"The national question is subordinate to the class struggle"!

I guess Marce writes from either the US of America or England. If this
is the case, then Marce should convert Marx, who during the US
American civil war supported the bourgeois and petty bourgeois
national struggle of the North against the South instead of, like the
British bourgeoisie, support the right of the British workers to have
cheap cotton so they could have jobs and not layoffs.

Social reformism at its best!

2011/3/4 Marce Cameron :
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>
>
> I disagree with Walter Lippmann's comments on Libya on Marxmail. I
> think Fidel and Chavez have blundered in not clearly expressing their
> support with the revolutionary insurrection against the West's thug in
> Tripoli, Colonel Gaddafi. The national question is subordinate to the
> class struggle.

Maybe Marce should make sure there is no West thug in Benghazi.

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Néstor Gorojovsky
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Re: [Marxism] Re. Libya and list discussion

2011-03-04 Thread Louis Proyect

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On 3/4/2011 4:02 PM, Marce Cameron wrote:

But I urge Louis Proyect to reconsider his decision to expel Walter
Lippman from this list. This is a necessary debate and one that should
be allowed to run its course on Marxmail. Censoring Walter's views
because they are different from those of the list editor is childish
and diminishes the value of Marxmail.



As I have pointed out in prior controversies surrounding Walter 
Lippmann, virtually everything he posted here can be read on the 
Greenleft mailing list or on CubaNews, a list that he moderates:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GreenLeft_discussion/messages

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaNews/messages

Of course, the very fact that his pronouncements are broadcast in 
this manner should give you a sense of his mission to spread the 
gospel of Cuban foreign policy.




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[Marxism] Re. Libya and list discussion

2011-03-04 Thread Marce Cameron
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I disagree with Walter Lippmann's comments on Libya on Marxmail. I
think Fidel and Chavez have blundered in not clearly expressing their
support with the revolutionary insurrection against the West's thug in
Tripoli, Colonel Gaddafi. The national question is subordinate to the
class struggle. Fidel and Chavez did not hesitate to express their
support for the popular upsurge in Egypt, yet Walter did not rush to
denounce this "interference" in Egypt's internal affairs.

But I urge Louis Proyect to reconsider his decision to expel Walter
Lippman from this list. This is a necessary debate and one that should
be allowed to run its course on Marxmail. Censoring Walter's views
because they are different from those of the list editor is childish
and diminishes the value of Marxmail.

Marce Cameron


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