Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For me this sort of thing is what makes Marxmail a great resource. Thanks to everyone who replied. Summing up: Lasalle in 1862 wrote: "Alle große politische Aktion besteht im Aussprechen dessen, was ist, und beginnt damit. Alle politische Kleingeisterei besteht in dem Verschweigen und bemänteln dessen, was ist." Which translates into English as: “All great political action consists of and begins with, speaking out about that which is. All political petty-mindedness consists of being silent and covering up that which is.” Luxemburg in 1906 paraphrased Lasalle. Possibly she didn't have the original available and was quoting from memory? She wrote: "Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste Tat, immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist." Which translates into English as "As Lassalle said, it is and remains the most revolutionary act to always 'say loudly what is'". Part of that appears to have been translated in the Rosa Luxemburg Reader as the sentence I originally asked for help identifying: "The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening." And just to complicate things, in 1933 Trotsky also paraphrased Lasalle: "Ferdinand Lassalle, who was no stranger to opportunism or adventurism, nevertheless expressed perfectly well the fundamental requirement of revolutionary politics: 'Every great action begins with the statement of what is.'" Thanks again Ian Angus Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
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I hope I can help a bit.This should be the quote which has slightly been
altered by Luxemburg and Trotsky.
»Alle große politische Aktion besteht im Aussprechen dessen, was ist,
und beginnt damit. Alle politische Kleingeisterei besteht in dem
Verschweigen und bemänteln dessen, was ist.«
in English: “All great political action consists of and begins with,
speaking out about that which is. All political petty-mindedness
consists of being silent and covering up that which is.”
Source: Ferdinand Lassalle: Was nun? Zweite Rede über Verfassungswesen,
19.11.1862; in: Ausgewählte Reden und Schriften, Dietz-Verlag, Berlin
1991, p.127
I am quoting from the book in front of me.
Michael
Am 16.01.2014 13:20, schrieb Ed George:
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Is this - 'Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste
Tat, immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist‹.' ('As Lassalle said, it is
and remains the most revolutionary act to always "say loudly what
is"') - then not the same as what Trotsky referred to in the 1933 'It
is Imposssible to Remain in the Same International with the Stalins,
Manuilskys, Lozovskys & Co.' when he said: 'Ferdinand Lassalle, who
was no stranger to opportunism or adventurism, nevertheless expressed
perfectly well the fundamental requirement of revolutionary politics:
“Every great action begins with the statement of what is.”'?
The question then, I suppose, is where Lassalle said it.
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Is this - 'Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste Tat,
immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist‹.' ('As Lassalle said, it is and
remains the most revolutionary act to always "say loudly what is"') -
then not the same as what Trotsky referred to in the 1933 'It is
Imposssible to Remain in the Same International with the Stalins,
Manuilskys, Lozovskys & Co.' when he said: 'Ferdinand Lassalle, who was
no stranger to opportunism or adventurism, nevertheless expressed
perfectly well the fundamental requirement of revolutionary politics:
“Every great action begins with the statement of what is.”'?
The question then, I suppose, is where Lassalle said it.
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Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 16.01.2014 05:56, Vince Garton wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The original German quote seems to be slightly different, 'Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste Tat, immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist‹.' (literally 'As Lassalle said, it is and remains the most revolutionary act to always "say loudly what is"').I've found two places which trace it to the 1906 essay 'In revolutionärer Stunde: Was weiter?', in Gesammelte Werke, vol. 2, p. 36, but I have no means of checking that at the moment. Hope that's of some help at any rate. I can confirm that this is the source of the quote - I have the volume in front of me as I write. There is no note to the text saying where Lassalle said it. Einde O'Callaghan Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The original German quote seems to be slightly different, 'Wie Lassalle sagte, ist und bleibt die revolutionärste Tat, immer ›das laut zu sagen, was ist‹.' (literally 'As Lassalle said, it is and remains the most revolutionary act to always "say loudly what is"').I've found two places which trace it to the 1906 essay 'In revolutionärer Stunde: Was weiter?', in Gesammelte Werke, vol. 2, p. 36, but I have no means of checking that at the moment. Hope that's of some help at any rate. Yours Vincent Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Or perhaps it was a mistranslation. Have you checked for Rosa quotes in the original German? thanks for this. great exercise. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == thanks for this. great exercise. i'm sure you've seen the attribututions on the interenet to the rosa luxemburg reader. i don't have that. i've searched most but not all (yet) from the links at this website: http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/ . i used both the search engine and opened almost all of the links. nothing. i'm thinking that if she said it, it was in a letter. if it's a ruse, it's clever. a simple search of her works shows she likes the word "loudly". but the idea doesn't really sound like her at all. proclaiming the truth seems more to her a duty than the most revolutionary thing. the quote almost undermines her. - Original Message - From: "Ian Angus" To: "Charles Faulkner" Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:49:36 PM Subject: [Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote? == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 'The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening.' That sentence, attributed to Rosa Luxemburg, appears in many places on the net, but none that I've found gives an actual source. Can anyone tell me where it can be found in her works? Ian Angus Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Source of Rosa Luxemburg Quote?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 'The most revolutionary thing one can do is always to proclaim loudly what is happening.' That sentence, attributed to Rosa Luxemburg, appears in many places on the net, but none that I've found gives an actual source. Can anyone tell me where it can be found in her works? Ian Angus Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
