Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Gee. Manuel. It's a good thing you're not trying to catch anybody out and denounce them for deviant politics. I stand by what I actually wrote. If anybody can read that and come away seriously saying that it wasn't about who was wielding power, they should pass the bong ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No apology necessary, Manuel. I didn't intend my response to sound more techy than bemused at the two of us bantering about power, when we both know we mean the same thing. Tell you what, though. If we were in the streets, you could say tomato and I'll say tomato...but we'll rest assured that we'll both be throwing at the same target. Yrs, Mark Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just watching Aljazeera at work Mass protest in Tahrir with Tunisian, Libyan and Egyptian flags. Mass protest in Yemen. Revolution still deepening in Tunisia. Protests in Baghdad. Benghazi has become Petrograd on the Mediterranean. General strike and *huge* march in Greece, Class struggle stirring once more in the US. The spirit of Bouazizi seems to be manifesting in the whole world. Is this what 1968 was like? What a glorious Spring this is going to be Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:12:22 +0100 Anthony Hartin anthony.har...@desy.de writes: Just watching Aljazeera at work Mass protest in Tahrir with Tunisian, Libyan and Egyptian flags. Mass protest in Yemen. Revolution still deepening in Tunisia. Protests in Baghdad. Benghazi has become Petrograd on the Mediterranean. General strike and *huge* march in Greece, Class struggle stirring once more in the US. The spirit of Bouazizi seems to be manifesting in the whole world. Is this what 1968 was like? I think that what's going on now is already bigger than 1968. I think it would me more appropriate to ask if this was what 1848 was like. Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math What a glorious Spring this is going to be Kill Your Wrinkles Mom Reveals Shocking $5 method for erasing wrinkles#46;#46;#46;Doctors hate her http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d67b57b5c6d1567741st02vuc Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I think that what's going on now is already bigger than 1968. I think it would me more appropriate to ask if this was what 1848 was like. I would really encourage all of you to stop trying to understand what is unfolding in terms of the past. The rules are changing, this is veritably a new day and we do a disservice to our class and the people of the world if Marxists stopped trying to interpret Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, or Even Castro (witness how he is teetering on Libya). We Need To Start Emulating Our Heroes Not Copying Them. They tore asunder the borders of possibilities, it's time we did the same. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm probably missing something here, but iI don't know what Marxism means if we propose to understand the present without reference to our reflective experience of the past ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: ...waves of social upheaval took the form of a series of very different events in very different circumstances. 1968 wasn't the same in Paris as Mexico or Prague or elsewhere. And 1848 was certainly different and came to different ends, depending on where you look... Agreed. Nonetheless, a common theme in the current movements is that the rich are waging a war on the rest of us, and one way or another we must fight back. That theme was barely visible in 1968. No Rich, No Poor Charles Andrews Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Hi Dave There is also the commonalities of people moving into struggle after decades of quiescence. The spectacle of successful resistance is so unlike all the other spectacles designed for the people, that they are almost delirious with the discovery of their historical agency. comradely regards Gary Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] glorious Spring
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The underlying similarity in all these upheavals revolve around the issue of power in its various forms and the specific way we hope to see it challenged in the most fundamental ways...not through a mere change of regime, dynasty, or party but by establishing the rule of those who labor and have no fundamental vested interests in sustaining the injustices and insanities of the present order. In what we face, how we face it, and how we want to resolve the crisis, we are following in the footsteps of 1968, 1919, 1848 By definition, though, materialists recognize that this power varies from place to place and certainly from one generation to another, and what is needed best to challenge that power will vary accordingly in terms of immediate issues, slogans, demands, etc. Still, no successful challenge of any sort can be made without mass mobilizations and the political process by which the people themselves learn their power and begin to practice its exercise. That is why the large street demonstrations call to mind so readily other large street demonstrations in other places and times...quite naturally so. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
