Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:28 PM, A.R. G via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken from a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that religious ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or society. It's a religious blogging site that publishes all kinds of content, with minimal editorial oversight, and is a predictably mixed bag. But yes, that particular article is, as you say, some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. If I were trying to write a parody of a smug, condescending liberal twat, I couldn't do nearly this well: Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin Luther King Jr. before she was even born. Given her demeanor, it should not be surprising that Johnson is yet another unapologetic and obnoxious Christian. Forget about white privilege, what about Christian privilege? Of course there is always something particularly depressing and disturbing about any African American clinging to Christianity ... Is this Michael Stone guy for real? Part of me - probably the part that's too generous - hopes he's actually the creation of a more talented satirist than myself. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Irish gov't drowning in water scandals, protests
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[Marxism] Donate to support the sacked and striking Hutchison wharfies
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The Martin O'Malley commentary is irrational (they've invariably condemned and praised him), but not the attacks on Bernie. - Amith On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Sheldon Ranz sran...@gmail.com wrote: I already explained one reason that they would go after Bernie instead of the others. Clinton and the Republicans are not the avante garde Martin O'Malley is also not the avant-garde, but the same BLM outfit disrupted some of his appearances as well. So your explanation is counterfactual. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * For the record, on Twitter they did go after Clinton and are saying she is next. But that's not the point. There is no real point in going after Clinton, she is not the vanguard! I'm referring to their commentary about O'Malley which has gone in both directions. He's irrelevant because of polling. - Amith On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Sheldon Ranz sran...@gmail.com wrote: What commentary are you referring to? Mine or the BLM hecklers? To the extent that the hecklers 'praised him', that was just a warning that as long as he keeps a low profile in the polls, he's not their main target. This has nothing to do with vanguard positioning, since they are targetting all declared Dem candidates not named Clinton. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greece and the Future of Syriza: Lessons of a Tragic Defeat
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * a sect like Socialist Action, there is very little likelihood that you will ever betray the working class. It is an organizational form that protects you from disease--acting like a condom. But at the same time is an effective way to prevent bringing new life to fruition. Unfortunately, Louis, I believe it is much worse than simple inoculation from betrayal. It is a form of betrayal once you've been a leader or committed cadre of such a sect and continue a line that seeks purity in the face of actual struggle by all the impure (i.e., the masses). There may be individuals within the sects worthy of engagement, but in the context of the sects it is a more than a fool's errand. This is why the promise of the sect-based electoral fronts of May through this summer (the Left Forums, etc.) not only was doomed to fail, but to continue along that path is an impediment. Further unfortunately, I am forced to accept your view that we are too far from a mass-based formation of the radical elements (radical read in scientific terms and 'left/right terms) to think that we can jumpstart a process. We are forced to adopt a more naturalistic approach seeking opportunities (like Occupy previously and Black Lives Matter currently) where they can take us. Syriza and Podemos remain much more promising DESPITE the defeats that have occurred. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Hundreds of Palestinian Prisoners to Launch Hunger Strike Tomorrow
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
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[Marxism] the little known history of secrecy and censorship in the wake of Hiroshima/Nagasaki
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Though I am not sure how relevant it is to their current politics, at least one of the women who took the stage appears to have been a Sarah Palin supporter in the past: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/ Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin Luther King Jr. before she was even born. Clearly Johnson is a poor student of history and politics. The fact is that of all the current presidential candidates Sanders is probably the most sympathetic to the concerns expressed by the BLM movement. However, perhaps even more damning, on her Facebook page, Johnson admits that she was a Sarah Palin supporter. This fact, the fact that she once supported Sarah Palin, is in itself indicative of poor judgement and faulty character, and provides a larger context for her more recent moral failure. So, this could well turn out to be a right-wing stunt to discredit Sanders. I wouldn't say definitively that it *was* such an attempt at this point, but there are some really shady aspects to this whole controversy. On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:51 PM, Greg McDonald via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77?section=politics Bernie Sanders Unveils Sweeping Policy Platform To Combat Racial InequalitySanders addressed the issue in front of more than 20,000 supporters in Portland, drawing his largest crowd yet. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/micklane.jl%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Poll results: list members published by far-right
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Well I am finally ready to announce the results of the poll among Marxmail subscribers. Again, the question posed was: At 16:28 07-08-15 +0200, Jeff via Marxism wrote: Time for a reality check. Let's take a poll. Out of all the prominent Marxist activists and scholars on this list, please tell us how many times YOU have written for a publication of or appeared on a broadcast by a far-right hate group (let's say one which has been so identified by the SPLC for instance). HOW MANY TIMES? If the answer is zero, don't send in a reply in order to avoid swamping the list server. Well there was pretty much a lack of positive responses; people for whom the answer would be zero were not expected to respond (but Michael Kardjis did anyway, perhaps because he didn't read the fine print or maybe to emphasize the fact). The only other response was from Joe Catron who couldn't say for sure because he's too busy to track where his articles are reposted. He said I should check Google which I did (detailed below), but from which I believe the answer for him is, again, zero. I suppose I should have differentiated between intentional appearances where someone sent their material to (or knowingly agreed to appear in) far-right media, and cases where their material was reposted without their permission. But the answer in both cases is probably zero for all list members. Material reposted without permission might not have been noticed, but I assume most prolific writers Google their own names at least occasionally (but if you do that daily, then you really have a problem ;-) Of course the reason this issue came up is that there are some individuals and groups associated with the defense of Palestine -- or more correctly the anti-Israel movement -- who don't seem to have a problem associating themselves with the far-right. This isn't new except that one of them, Alison Weir, protested that she was being shunned by most of the Palestine solidarity movement, which led to statements by Jewish Voice for Peace and the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation explaining their unwillingness to work with her (and the two organizations she leads), citing among other evidence her repeated appearances and articles in the far-right (including white supremacist) media. An open appeal which happens to be authored by one member of this list denounced that accusation as guilt by association and defended her appearance in far-right media as being normal and a valid attempt to reach ordinary working folks among those media's readership/listenership. But of course we aren't talking about right-wing mass media (such as the FOX TV network) but far-right fringe outlets typified by the radio show of Clay Douglas on which Weir appeared repeatedly: http://www.freeamerican.com/ So the difference I see between Palestinian solidarity activists on this list (as well as most who are not on this list but therefore didn't participate in the poll) and someone like Alison Weir, is that we would NEVER want to be associated with such filth (nor appear in their media except perhaps to trash it) whereas Weir apparently has no problem with such an association. With such a stark difference between us and her, I'm afraid I DO consider the simple matter of association in this regard as indicating probable guilt. And considering the further evidence cited by the Jewish Voice for Peace and the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation in their statements, I would consider the matter settled beyond doubt: http://www.endtheoccupation.org/article.php?id=4510 https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/jewish-voice-for-peace-statement-on-our-relationship-with-alison-weir/ It is nothing new that a large section of the far right opposes Israel; this is partially due to their antisemitism and tendency to conflate an ethnicity with a nation-state. What is somewhat newer (last decade or so) is for those same racists to shed crocodile tears for the Palestinians (despite their own history of racism against Arabs and other people of color) in that pursuit. The height of that duplicity is when they figured out they could rebrand their antisemitism as anti-zionism, and take advantage of our proper defense of anti-zionism as not being antisemitic (countering the Zionist charge). Of course their infiltration of our ranks unfortunately creates a sliver of truth to the Zionist charge, but that is only because we haven't sufficiently differentiated ourselves from them. That differentiation is the point of the statements by Jewish Voice for Peace and the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation with regard to Alison
[Marxism] August 16 Rally at South African consulate
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[Marxism] Fwd: It's time, U. of I.: Offer controversial scholar Steven Salaita a job - Chicago Tribune
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[Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 142, Issue 15
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[Marxism] Right-Wing Anglo-Greek Commentator Openly Praises Golden Dawn
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: University of Illinois board to vote on $400, 000 for Chancellor Wise - Chicago Tribune
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Re: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 142, Issue 15
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Activist who disrupted Bernie Sanders in Seattle is former Sarah Palin supporter. See: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist -who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/ James Miller -Original Message- From: Marxism [mailto:marxism-boun...@lists.csbs.utah.edu] On Behalf Of William Solomon via Marxism Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:28 PM To: James Miller Subject: [Marxism] Marxism Digest, Vol 142, Issue 15 POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Why disrupt a Bernie Sanders rally? His record on racism and civil rights is far superior to those of Hilary Clinton and the Republican candidates. More likely, Sanders was chosen because his rally offered some visibility plus a minimal chance of repression. Nonetheless, as this country moves deeper into fascism, attacking a standard-bearer of progressive politics is counter-productive and downright reprehensible. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/jmiller308%40comcast.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
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Wow, the commentary posted by Mick is probably some of the stupidest shit
I've ever read. So she's Christian and she supported Sarah Palin,
presumably when she ran which was 7 years ago. That woman must have been
all but 15 years old when that happened, you're going to hold her to a view
she held in *high school*?
And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken from
a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself
criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that religious
ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or
society.
We've already had two conspiracy theory posts and this garbage, what else
is next?
- Amith
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Mick Lane via Marxism
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote:
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Though I am not sure how relevant it is to their current politics, at least
one of the women who took the stage appears to have been a Sarah Palin
supporter in the past:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/
Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin
Luther King Jr. before she was even born.
Clearly Johnson is a poor student of history and politics. The fact is
that of all the current presidential candidates Sanders is probably the
most sympathetic to the concerns expressed by the BLM movement.
However, perhaps even more damning, on her Facebook page, Johnson admits
that she was a Sarah Palin supporter. This fact, the fact that she once
supported Sarah Palin, is in itself indicative of poor judgement and faulty
character, and provides a larger context for her more recent moral
failure.
So, this could well turn out to be a right-wing stunt to discredit Sanders.
I wouldn't say definitively that it *was* such an attempt at this point,
but there are some really shady aspects to this whole controversy.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77?section=politics
Bernie Sanders Unveils Sweeping Policy Platform To Combat Racial
InequalitySanders
addressed the issue in front of more than 20,000 supporters in Portland,
drawing his largest crowd yet.
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[Marxism] How capitalism is killing Detroit, who's next?
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[Marxism] Palestine solidarity and working class internationalism
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Now that the static interference has ceased, back to the political relevance of pro-PFLP work in the imperialist, especially English-speaking world, and some lessons from New Zealand. As John E and myself have noted, the fundraising campaign for the PFLP in New Zealand had several main aims. * Practical assistance to the most progressive elements of the Palestinian national liberation movement, in the form of hard cash. NZ is a tiny country and, although the largest of the far-left groups here, the Workers Party was utterly minuscule. So the amount of money we were able to raise was tiny - a few thousand dollars. However, that would be a couple hundred thousand dollars in US terms - if you factor in the population difference - so it was tiny but certainly something. The PFLP was not only extremely pleased that WPNZ was able to send them some money, but they were impressed and delighted that a group of people in an English-speaking country thousands of miles away appreciated their struggle and the immense difficulties they faced and were prepared to campaign, at some risk, in solidarity with them. * Challenge the government's right to define what terrorism is and make it a criminal offence to raise funds for organisations engaging in such actions. This was particularly important in NZ as the state had given itself quite a bit of 'wiggle room', making such fund-raising a criminal offence regardless of whether an organisation was on the state's officially-designated 'terrorist' list or not. These were quite sweeping powers. * Build public awareness of the Palestinian cause and the Palestinian national liberation in general and, within that context, try to build workers' and progressive NZers' awareness of the PFLP. That the Middle East isn't just full of Islamic fundamentalists, as the media here often suggest, but has radical secular movements whose goals are the same as the goals of progressive people in this country. And, in particular, try to build working class consciousness in this country, that workers here are part of the same global class as most of the people in Palestine struggling for liberation. The methods that we used were open fund-raising, lots of leaflets and meetings, and attempts to get other people involved in the campaign. The PFLP was very enthusiastic and helpful and gave us access to one of their politbureau members who could be contacted at any time to discuss anything. The WP campaign here had two co-ordinators and one of them was in skype contact with the PFLP politbureau member, who happened to be Leila Khaled. Leila sent her signature through to this co-ordinator, and it was used on the t-shirts that were produced. The t-shirts consisted of that iconic picture of Leila from 1969 or 1970, with her signature underneath and a slogan around the picture saying, 'Resistance is not Terrorism', and the name of the PFLP (and I think WPNZ as well). Although the campaign ceased in practice in early 2011, it wasn't formally ended until June 2012, by the group that followed the effective demise of WP. The campaign logo still features on the PFLP English-language site with a connection to the campaign site in NZ (long since a dead site). A couple of activities the campaign hoped to organise to further the goals above were to get Leila into NZ for a speaking tour and to start organising 'solidarity brigades' to go to Palestine and work with the PFLP, doing whatever they thought was the most useful political stuff people on such solidarity brigades could do. They'd work under the direction of the PFLP and become crusaders for the Palestionian cause and builders of PFLP support upon returning to NZ. (A bit like what the Troops Out Movement and Irish Freedom Movement in Britain did with their annual delegations to the north of Ireland.) Of course, the NZ state was never going to let Leila in, but that would have opened up the prospect of a public civil liberties campaign to get her an entry visa. I don't think we would have succeeded but it would have certainly heightened public awareness of the Palestinian cause and of the PFLP. And Leila is quite a charismatic individual, so that would have helped. The solidarity brigades would have been interesting too. I think it would have been very hard for the NZ state to prevent such solidarity delegations going to Palestine but any attempts by the state to prevent them would have led to another civil liberties campaign around the right of NZ citizens to travel. The fund-raising side consisted of seling the t-shirts among comrades, friends and as birthday and Xmas repsents and taking them to the streets, setting up stalls
[Marxism] PFLP material
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Some interesting PFLP stuff: For a world free of racism, colonialism, imperialism, oppression and capitalist exploitation (message from PFLP to the 2014 eirigi national conference in Ireland): https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/12/01/for-a-world-that-is-free-of-racism-colonialism-imperialism-oppression-and-capitalist-exploitation-pflp-message-to-eirigi-conference/ Palestinian liberation and the PLO: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/palestinian-liberation-and-the-plo-a-critical-view-from-pflp-activist/ Palestinian capitalists are the 1% who capture 99% of Palestinian decision-making: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/pflp-palestinian-capitalists-are-the-1-who-confiscate-100-of-palestinian-decision-making/ PFLP opposes proposed recognition of fake 'Palestinian state': https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/pflp-rejects-proposed-recognition-of-fake-palestinian-state/ Palestinian liberation and the PFLP today - interview with PFLP deuty general-security (their general secretary is in an Israeli jail): https://rdln.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/palestinian-liberation-and-the-pflp-today-an-interview-with-abu-ahmad-fouad-deputy-secretary-general-of-the-pflp/ PFLP on the Palestinian authority: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/pflp-on-the-palestinian-authority/ Statement of the PFLP central committee on political developments (2012): https://rdln.wordpress.com/2012/06/10/statement-of-the-pflp-central-committee-on-political-developments/ The case of Ahmad Sa'adat, Palestinian revolutionary and political prisoner: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/the-case-of-ahmad-saadat-palestinian-revolutionary-leader-and-political-prisoner/ An interview with Leila Khaled by the WPNZ solidairty campaign with the PFLP: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/nz-solidarity-activist-interviews-leila-khaled-2010/ Phil _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: University of Illinois board to vote on $400, 000 for Chancellor Wise - Chicago Tribune
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thieves falling out. Chris Kennedy, the board member who pushed hardest for firing Salaita (he is Bobby Kennedy's son), tells the Chicago Tribune that Phyllis Wise, the chancellor who resigned in disgrace, should not get a $400,000 retention bonus. (I got a $40,000 retention bonus from Columbia University when I was terminated and deserved every penny.) http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-university-of-illinois-phyllis-wise-bonus-20150810-story.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] From songs for the band unformed - The carcass of caress
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Songs for the band unformed The carcass of caress There is no doubt but the doubt... There is no way but the out Click here to read more. http://enpassant.com.au/2015/08/11/the-carcass-of-caress/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Poll results: list members published by far-right
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * At 18:12 10-08-15 -0700, michael perelman via Marxism wrote: Tom Keene gave me a hour-long interview on his show on Bloomberg radio. Oh hell, I'd forgive you for that! ;-) This is where you might expect something of an exception, since Marxist economics as a theory has gained interest and a slight respect including among the ruling class especially since the crisis. But in terms of the original poll, they don't really count as far-right, as we were more concerned with fascists, racists, conspiricists, etc. And their media which would be frequented mainly by people already in the far-right. Bloomberg is more mainstream ruling class, no? - Jeff Although he is quite conservative, he was able to converse with me without any spoken disapproval. I got a lot of support form my appearance, but then, he never invited me back. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Poll results: list members published by far-right
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Tom Keene gave me a hour-long interview on his show on Bloomberg radio. Although he is quite conservative, he was able to converse with me without any spoken disapproval. I got a lot of support form my appearance, but then, he never invited me back. On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:42 AM, Jeff via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'm not quite ready to announce the results of the poll yet, since I'm still waiting for all the replies to pour in, and don't want to conduct any sort of snap election. Again, please participate in the poll and report the approximate number (if greater than zero) of times you have appeared in a far-right publication or radio program. Then we will compare the number of such cases by Marxists on this list in comparison to certain other forces which superficially share some of our rhetoric. I will take responsibility for tallying the results and report them soon. Thanks in advance, - Jeff _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/michael.perelman3%40gmail.com -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 530 898 5321 fax 530 898 5901 http://michaelperelman.wordpress.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I already explained one reason that they would go after Bernie instead of the others. Clinton and the Republicans are not the avante garde, they do not emphasize the limits of the left. The failures of left candidates to address black issues means that everyone has failed to address them, why shouldn't these people emphasize that? - Amith On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Glenn Kissack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks, Glenn. It all makes sense now. Armed with this information, Sanders should have BLM banned from all of his public events. Sanders could at least explain to his supporters how Soros is funding both BLM and Hillary. However, that’s one of the problems with Bernie — as others here have pointed out, he has a long-standing relationship with the Democratic Party and is unwilling to sharply attack much of the Party's politics or its leaders. Glenn _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amithrgupta%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Sheldon Ranz via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: Armed with this information, Sanders should have BLM banned from all of his public events. Leaving aside all possible political disagreements, this may be one of the single most myopic and hilarious statements I've seen yet. I mean, all of us? The millions who have protested, marched, and yes, disrupted? What about the tens of millions more who tweeted the hashtag? Who, exactly, do you imagine would be left to attend these dumb events? -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Greek (and international) shipping industy (was: Exit the Euro? Polemic with Greek Economist Costas Lapavitsas)
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Thanks a lot to Ioannis Aposperites for filling my gaps on the Greek shipping capitalists. Recently I watched a TV documentary on the international shipping industry on the French-German TV channel arte, which also dealt a lot with the yearly Posidonia fair and conference of the international shipping industry held in Greece. And I have a question regarding this: on Samstag, 8. August 2015 at 02:11, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote: The strange phenomenon of a neoliberal EU/ECB/IMF troika's proposition to tax the shipowners makes me think of the Belgian bourgeois (liberal) politician Guy Verhoofstadt haranguing Alexis Tsipras in the European Parliament to end the privileges of the ship owners, the privileges of the military, and the privileges of the orthodox church ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P84tN0z4jqM ) while a greek left government was resisting this proposition in the name of the greek national interests is very telling about this simple fact: Under capitalism whatever may happen, the shipowners, the class that has founded this country, will remain untouchable. The greek parliament will certainly pave a way out of any burden for them, as it has always done. Article 107 of the Greek constitution (https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Greece#Article_107 )stipulates The same legal force is enjoyed by the provisions of Chapters A through D of Section A of Statute 27/75 on the taxation of ships, compulsory contributions for the development of the merchant marine, establishment of foreign shipping companies and regulation of related matters. Is this Statute 27/75 available anywhere in English or another more frequently spoken language than Greek? BTW, Article 3 of the same constitution ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Greece#Article_3 ) is even more astonishing as it gives certain religious beliefs constitutional backing, thus taking away religions freedom, like in paragraph 2 The text of the Holy Scripture shall be maintained unaltered. Official translation of the text into any other form of language, without prior sanction by the Autocephalous Church of Greece and the Great Church of Christ in Constantinople, is prohibited, and it limits the freedom even of the Greek Orthodox Church to determine their internal organisation on their own accords. That article has to be eliminated in the name of the freedom of religion. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek (and international) shipping industy (was: Exit the Euro? Polemic with Greek Economist Costas Lapavitsas)
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -Original Message- From: Lüko Willmsvia Marxism The strange phenomenon of a neoliberal EU/ECB/IMF troika's proposition to tax the shipowners makes me think of the Belgian bourgeois (liberal) politician Guy Verhoofstadt haranguing Alexis Tsipras in the European Parliament to end the privileges of the ship owners, the privileges of the military, and the privileges of the orthodox church ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P84tN0z4jqM ) Whatever Verhoofstadt's motives may have been, he was *completely* correct on that and the Syriza leadership *completely* wrong to not have moved very rapidly against these 3 reactionary institutions, and even more so if it resisted an EU/ECB/IMF proposal tax the ship-owners - if that was resistance from a 'national' angle, then it was a good example of when class should have trumped national. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Greece and the Future of Syriza: Lessons of a Tragic Defeat
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * This idiot Jeff Mackler, who is actually a Marxmail lurker, recruited me to the SWP in 1967. He is making the same pitch to CounterPunch readers that he made to me 48 years ago as if Trotskyist groups with a couple of hundred people have all the answers. There are sins of commission and sins of omission. It was relatively easy for the Fourth International to diagnose the failures of the Popular Front in the 1930s but it never figured out why its own sectarian propaganda groups failed to reach the critical mass that would have made them subject to the same kind of critique. To be sure, when you are the leader of a sect like Socialist Action, there is very little likelihood that you will ever betray the working class. It is an organizational form that protects you from disease--acting like a condom. But at the same time is an effective way to prevent bringing new life to fruition. http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/10/greece-and-the-future-of-syriza-lessons-of-a-tragic-defeat/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Also, I think a lot of people here are ignoring the obvious. Hillary has Secret Service protection. Anyone trying something like this at one of her campaign events would be shot. You wouldn't even need to be a black activist, although that certainly wouldn't increase your chances of survival. -- Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek (and international) shipping industy
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 10/08/2015 12:53 μμ, Lüko Willms via Marxism wrote: Is this Statute 27/75 available anywhere in English or another more frequently spoken language than Greek? BTW, Article 3 of the same constitution ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Greece#Article_3 ) is even more astonishing as it gives certain religious beliefs constitutional backing, thus taking away religions freedom, _ 1. I am afraid I can't find any translation of 27/1975. You can find it in .. greek here: http://www.nee.gr/downloads/265N27-1975.pdf Comments on that law are here: http://greeklawdigest.gr/topics/transportation/item/73-taxation-of-ships and here: http://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Energy-and-Resources/dttl-ER-Shipping-Tax-Guide-6countries.pdf though I have not compared them with the law itself. This Law regulates definitely everything about shipowners' taxation. In its second article states that no further tax obligation may be imposed in the future. And this has been the case since then, as only tax relaxations have been approved by the legislation according to the needs of the evolution of the shipping capital (There are at least 57 of them). The last major one in 2013 imposes a tax of only 10% on the distributed shares to physical persons/shipowners (not companies), whether they are profits solely from shipping companies or ,in part, from any other kind of business. To tax the shipowners beyond 27/1975 is unconstitutional in Greece. Even to change that law, there must be a constitutional reform as 27/1975 is explicitly linked with the constitution! Of course the legal restriction is a matter of the class struggle level, but nevertheless it indicates the profound subordination of the state to the shipping capital. 2. The article 3 of the greek constitution is another deplorable one. And on top of this, nobody in Greek can officially have (let alone built) a religious place, any kind of church or temple, without the local bishop's permission. On the contrary, some rich people with (the indispensable) connections to a bishop, were able to build (even pharaonic) villas as secondary auxiliary buildings of a small private chapel, in areas where building was totally prohibited by the city planning commission. It was the local bishop's and not the city planning commission's responsibility to permit or not the construction of a chapel! JA _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek (and international) shipping industy
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Montag, 10. August 2015 at 14:07, ioannis aposperites via Marxism wrote: lots to read and study: 1. I am afraid I can't find any translation of 27/1975. You can find it in .. greek here: http://www.nee.gr/downloads/265N27-1975.pdf this is from the site of the Hellenic Chamber of Shipping Comments on that law are here: http://greeklawdigest.gr/topics/transportation/item/73-taxation-of-ships this seems to cover only ships sailing under the Greek flag and here: http://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/global/Documents/Energy-and-Resources/dttl-ER-Shipping-Tax-Guide-6countries.pdf though I have not compared them with the law itself. Thanks a lot! Unfortunately, while I have tried at least to learn Turkish, I have never ventured into Greek except for greetings, thanking and so on (and I have sung in the trade union choir here in Frankfurt/Germany the Thi simamoun oi campanes by Mikis Theodorakis on the test of Giannis Ritsos (If you can help to create proper IPA transscription of the Greek text, I would be immensly grateful). This Law regulates definitely everything about shipowners' taxation. In its second article states that no further tax obligation may be imposed in the future. But the Deloitte summary has a section B covering ships under non-Greek flag: As of 2013, a tonnage tax is imposed on owners of vessels flying foreign flags provided the vessels are operated/managed by offices established pursuant to article 25 of Law 27/1975 Of course the legal restriction is a matter of the class struggle level, but nevertheless it indicates the profound subordination of the state to the shipping capital. and it would have to be an international class struggle, I presume. The huge tanker fleets owned by the Niarchos and Onassis and their like probably rarely up to never touched greek ports, and the same would apply to huge container ships and most other ships, too. And their crew is international, mostly from Third World countries, except the officer caste (and that might be Croatian today, after Yugoslavia lost its merchant fleet during the balkanizing war). 55'000 ships sails the oceans to transport goods over the seven seas and between the continents. BTW, the Liberian law makes it illegal to reveal the name of the owner of ship registered in the Liberian ship registry, one of the most frequently used registries together with Panama and Malta. Thinking of todays shipping industry makes me think of B. Travens Totenschiff (The Death Ship). 2. The article 3 of the greek constitution is another deplorable one. And on top of this, nobody in Greek can officially have (let alone built) a religious place, any kind of church or temple, without the local bishop's permission. A similar rule presumable in vigor in Turkey is always cited by the German bourgois press as proof of the intolerant Turkish regime, but this corresponding Greek legislation is never mentioned. On the contrary, some rich people with (the indispensable) connections to a bishop, were able to build (even pharaonic) villas as secondary auxiliary buildings of a small private chapel, in areas where building was totally prohibited by the city planning commission. It was the local bishop's and not the city planning commission's responsibility to permit or not the construction of a chapel! my dear goodness... Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
