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Russia is run by a corrupt pack of super rich capitalists, called oligarchs,
who intend to oppress and exploit every piece of the earth they can get their
hands on for their Empire, and don’t give a shit about freedom, democracy, the
right of nations to self-determination, or anything else besides heaping up
their money.
The United States is run by a corrupt pack of super rich capitalists, called
oligarchs, who intend to oppress and exploit every piece of the earth they can
get their hands on for their Empire, and don’t give a shit about freedom,
democracy, the right of nations to self-determination, or anything else besides
heaping up their money.
The Ukrainian government in Kyiv is run by a corrupt pack of super rich
capitalists, called oligarchs, who intend to oppress and exploit every piece of
the land inside the borders of the Ukraine they can get their hands on, and
don’t give a shit about about freedom, democracy, or anything else besides
heaping up their money.
That said, regardless of the regime in power over them, the Ukrainians have the
right to refuse to become part of either the Russian or the U.S. Empires, and
to resist either by force of arms.
If Ukrainians could manage to wipe out their own ruling class government of
oligarchs, centered in Kyiv, and install a working class government, it would
be much easier to defend themselves against hungry Empires.
This would also bring the support of unhappy Eastern Ukrainians.
The Eastern Ukrainians have as much right to revolution against a government of
capitalist oligarch tyrants as the Ukrainians had to rise up against the
government of the tyrant Yanukovych and his oligarchs that their uncompleted
revolution overthrew in February.
The Eastern Ukrainians are right to rise up against the new government of
oligarchs in Kyiv and the billionaire oligarchs that government has appointed
to rule over them without their consent.
If they wish to, the Eastern Ukrainians have as much right to
self-determination as any other group of oppressed, exploited people ruled by
appointed oligarchs who set governors over them from far away, and grow fat on
their exploitation.
In the best of all possible worlds, Ukrainian government soldiers and the armed
rebels of Eastern Ukraine would stop fighting each other and join together to
wipe out all the Ukrainian oligarchs, and set an example for what Russians can
do with Putin’s government of, by, and for the super rich in Russia.
Obviously, that is not likely now.
That is no excuse for tolerating an infestation of vermin who side with the
U.S. Empire against the Russian Empire, or those who side with the Russian
Empire against the U.S. Empire.
T
-Original Message-
From: Glenn Kissack via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu
Sent: Jul 28, 2014 11:10 AM
To: Thomas F Barton thomasfbar...@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Putin's leftist friends
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Thanks for posting this. Among other things, the author clearly understands
that Ukraine is the site of inter-imperialist conflict and that the U.S. has
been active in pulling Ukraine out of the Russian orbit and into that of
Western capitalism. In arguing against the left taking pro-Putin positions, he
consciously avoids letting the U.S. off the hook. The Salon piece stands in
contrast to Clay's postings.
Glenn
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