Re: [Marxism] [UCE] The capitalist neoconservatives
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Michael Meeropol writes "I hope a broad coalition that includes capitalists can beat back the domestic neo-cons..." The US capitalists beat back the neo cons when they installed Obama in office. Or, more accurately, they became convinced that a different strategy was necessary. We see how great that worked out. Now, the problem is a lot more serious. In any case, what was required was the near collapse of Iraqi society, a collapse from which it has not recovered and may not ever recover. But we are talking about a global situation here, and it's not only Trump. We have Netanyahu in Israel, Morsi in India, Putin in Russia, Duterte in the Philippines, Erdogan in Turkey, Assad in Syria and Bolsonaro coming to power in Brazil. In my opinion, Ortega is also moving in a similar direction, although I suspect that some on this list will strongly object to this belief. All represent similar dynamics, some to a greater extreme than others. They all represent capitalism entering into a greater and greater stage of crisis on the one hand, while the working class on the other hand is confused, divided and nearly paralyzed. When and if the working class really moves, it will be to assert its class interests. The very second there is the slightest hint of that, the capitalist class - all wings of it - will desert the movement in droves. In fact, before any such movement even starts to get under way the capitalist class and its representatives will do all in their power to prevent the working class from playing any serious role. To the extent they succeed will be to the same extent that they demobilize and demoralize the working class. In other words, help maintain the present direction of things. John Reimann On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 5:43 AM Michael Meeropol wrote: > The analogy to the destruction of the German capitalists who supported > Hitler is chilling -- > > today's neoconservative capitalists are presiding over the destruction of > the planet --- perhaps some hundreds of millions of humans will survive and > SOME organized forms of society may even flourish (Oreskes' novel THE > COLLAPSE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION envisions a second Chinese People's > Republic cerca 2093) but will it be socialist and humanist or authoritarian > -- almost fascist?? > > I hope a broad coalition that includes capitalists can beat back the > domestic neo-cons --- > > Don't think that there will be a strong left to pick up the pieces if the > neo-cons prevail (even if they don't the odds against civilization -- > ANYWHERE --- decrease every day). Resistance is mostly existential (as in > French existentialism not survival) --- we struggle even though we 're > almost certain to lose! > > > -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [UCE] The capitalist neoconservatives
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * The analogy to the destruction of the German capitalists who supported Hitler is chilling -- today's neoconservative capitalists are presiding over the destruction of the planet --- perhaps some hundreds of millions of humans will survive and SOME organized forms of society may even flourish (Oreskes' novel THE COLLAPSE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION envisions a second Chinese People's Republic cerca 2093) but will it be socialist and humanist or authoritarian -- almost fascist?? I hope a broad coalition that includes capitalists can beat back the domestic neo-cons --- Don't think that there will be a strong left to pick up the pieces if the neo-cons prevail (even if they don't the odds against civilization -- ANYWHERE --- decrease every day). Resistance is mostly existential (as in French existentialism not survival) --- we struggle even though we 're almost certain to lose! _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] [UCE] The capitalist neoconservatives
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Just as with the neoconservative foreign policy of simply roll over any potential military opposition, there is a wing of the US capitalist class that believes the same is possible domestically. Are they right? "The SF Bay Area sports world is in a tizzy about the owner of the SF (baseball) Giants having donated to the campaign of the racist Cindy Hyde Smith of Mississippi. They’re missing the point. The issue is not the owner of the SF Giants. Back around the time that Trump was elected, somebody I know had pointed out to me that he must have some support from some of the capitalists; he can’t be a total outsider. I’ve thought about that in relation to a related issue: There always has been a wing of the capitalist class that never has accepted any of the changes that have come about in the US. Workers winning some rights through the labor uprisings of the 1930s? No. Black people putting an end to the worst excesses of racism? Nope. Women being regarded as equal to men? Scratch that too. Even the few social benefits put into effect by the New Deal, done to prevent an even worse crisis. No need for that" As Trotsky put it: “History says to the working class ‘you must know that unless you cast down the bourgeoisie (the capitalist class), you will perish beneath the ruins of the capitalist civilization. Try, solve this task!’” https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/11/27/the-capitalist-neo-cons/ -- *“In politics, abstract terms conceal treachery.” *from "The Black Jacobins" by C. L. R. James Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
